Would Fedor Emelianenko duck Aspinall like the way Jon Jones is doing?

[Doctor Grudge]

I was referring to the style between Lindland and Randy it's the same, sure Randy is bigger but if you really believe that Randy would be a hard fight for prime Fedor I don't know what to tell you that isn't already obvious.

About the Lindland fight Matt landed a nice shot at the start it surprised me but after that it was easy work, the accusation of cheating is so fukking stupid and reaching for an excuse Fedor never grabbed the ropes at any point with his hands his elbow was tucked over the top rope giving him a little leverage and he threw Matt over and proceeded to armbar him. Also I wouldn't talk about cheating when speaking of Lindland the guy pulled enough shady shit in his career one being getting submitted by Bustamante and then lying about it only to have the fight restarted and get subbed again, another incident he got armbarred by Fulton in IFC and tapped and then like before lied about tapping even though it was on replay footage, sad thing is that the fight resumed and Fulton lost that was BS and Fulton deserved that win so don't talk about cheating.


Randy is not the guy to beat Fedor out of all the possible fights for Fedor back then I'd say Barnett, Mir, Sylvia, Mirko, Nog were the toughest opponents sure Randy is in there as well but its been shown that KO power is what stopped Fedor not the tools Randy has.

Sylvia? I dont think he ever had much of a chance against Fedor. He had already lost to two guys around Fedor's size in Randy and Nogueira.

 

[Asahi]

He kissed the hand!

 

[Mind Mine]

No he would have been beaten by a whose who of top ten contenders before fighting for a belt. Then if they gifted him the shot he would have been badly beaten and retired like he did with Bader.

 

[Holyherb420]

Depends, are roids and fight fixing allowed like pride?

 

[Mind Mine]

He's saying that Fedor and Overeem were in the same bracket and were expected to win their opening bouts. That means they were going to fight, but Fedor got upset by Werdum.

Fedor didn’t want the fight or his management didn’t. How do you know Jones management doesn’t want this fight just like Fedor? Notice how the narrative switches? Notice the difference in how the word duck is applied

 

[Chayanne]

Fedor in his prime, would say yes to anyone, including King Kong as long as King Kong would make weight.

 

[Eater of Souls]

The tournament fight was Fedors THIRD fight in Strikeforce. When he signed to SF in late 2009 he was the consensus no1 HW in the world, while Reem was the champion of the org he'd just signed to and one of the most hyped up HWs in the world at the time. It was every bit as obvious of a fight to make as Aspinall/Jones has been for the last 2 years. When he fought Rogers instead some were disappointed, some rolled their eyes and went "told you so" and some rationalized it with stuff like "he just needs to get used to the cage" "its just a fight to introduce him to the SF/American audience" "you cant expect him to fight the champion right off the bat" etc etc. Then he proceeds to not fight Reem again in his next fight, or the fight after that.

I am much more of a Fedor fan than Jon fan, but he is not being held to the same standard here. He ducked an entire promotion, then ducked the biggest fight he could have had outside of that promotion, then ended up losing before long anyway.

I did not say it was not his third.

One of the two signed with the possibility to fight the person they are accused of ducking, the other did not. This is not a matter of opinion. Should Jones ever sign then he is in the same position. If you need me to explain this further I have no idea what to tell you.

 

[fzoid4454]

Tons of fighters (including maybe Fedor) were juicing in Strikeforce. Overroid, Bigfoot, Barnett and Werdum never failed a drug tested in Coker's Stikeforce but all got busted later in the UFC.

However, the point you're trying to debunk stands because Fedor was willing to fight Barnett (busted twice in the earliest days of UFC testing) several years before Werdum...but Barnett then failed another test before that fight.

Is it? When did they fight? And is all PED use the same? Is Tim Sylvia or Barnett PED use the same as Reem and Belfort in terms of the type of PED effect and amount?

 

[fzoid4454]

Fedor fought Coleman and Randleman when they were clearly on the juice and accepted to fight Barnett who had already failed 2 tests before Fedor accepted (and would go on to fail 2 more in his career).

And at that time Overeem has not failed a drug test yet. He, just like Werdum, would only fail after being in the UFC. And physique wise he didn't look much different that Randleman or Coleman.

And what did or didn't do has nothing to do with the fact that Fedor very publicly avoided Overeem. And we know this because Fedor said he didn't want to fight Overeem because of steroids. Just to fight and lose to another guy who was also on the juice

We fans got robbed.

The problem with that is that Overeem was clearly using, and, as i pointed out, the avoided defending his title for three years to avoid USA testing, as weak as it was. And the fact that he felt he needed to do it even before USADA tells you how much he was using. The other problem with that is Overeem was not Coleman or Randleman before using or after. He was Overeem, and it's not about whether he looked like them, it was about how blatantly different he was than original Overeem.

When he failed his UFC test, his T/E ration was 14/1. Normal is 1/1. That's insanely blatant juicing, and, no, this sheer mass compared to Randleman or Coleman was not comparable. Randleman, before and after fighting Fedor also fought at 205. Coleman, when he fought Fedor, was 224. Overeem spent 8 years and 30+ fights as a LHW, and then, within a couple of years, was cutting weight to make the 265 limit. Please.

And Fedor didn't outright refuse to fight him. Fedor said he'd fight him if he passed a PED test. Not at all the same thing. Did Reem take one? If all he had to do was pass a PED test, and he refused to do so, couldn't you argue that it was Reem who ducked fighting Fedor?

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

I did not say it was not his third.

One of the two signed with the possibility to fight the person they are accused of ducking, the other did not. This is not a matter of opinion. Should Jones ever sign then he is in the same position. If you need me to explain this further I have no idea what to tell you.

Lol yeah, okay, after 2 fights in Strikeforce he entered a tournament that offered the POSSIBILITY of later on fighting the guy who was already champ and the opponent everyone wanted him to fight when he first came to the promotion. Therefore hes free from criticism and would never duck Aspinall like Jon did. Got it.

 

[RockyLockridge]

you guys really cant see that this is negotiating right?

 

[J'Ghasta]

Fedor and his management ducked Bob Sapp(as ridiculous as that now sounds), Ubereem and Lesnar. Hes no stranger to ducking.

 

[Royce Greasy]

Yeah that was a fight which was big in terms of hype but not a fight I see being that competitive I think Arlovski was actually a much bigger threat to Fedor, maybe even Sylvia as well because both did have significant KO power.

Randy just doesnt seem to have anything to threaten Fedor with whilst being outgunned heavily in striking and sub grappling. The Nog fight I think was quite revealing of that, granted Randy was a bit older but I think Nog was actually more declined and never had the power Fedor did standing yet he outgunned Randy everywhere, there was no safe tactic for Couture.

Yes and while I agree the fight still should have happened for historical reasons I would heavily favor Fedor finishing the fight, also do agree that Nog by the time he entered UFC was at like 60% of what he was in Pride don't think that's an exaggeration just facts based on the wars he had been in previously, a lot of modern UFC fans disregard that sort of thing.

 

[Royce Greasy]

Sylvia? I dont think he ever had much of a chance against Fedor. He had already lost to two guys around Fedor's size in Randy and Nogueira.

Sylvia had one punch KO power as was evidenced in his second fight with Arlovski, also had massive reach just because Randy formulated a good game plan and won a decision against Tim doesn't mean Fedor couldn't get KO'd the way Arlovski did if there's a KO threat then all it takes is a punch to land, I wouldn't say Randy is a KO threat to Fedor.

 

[Gutter Chris]

God even to this days you guys are so starstruck by Fedor thar you can't see him clearly. Yea he would duck. He ducked the ufc when pride went down and tried to take a lot of easy fights in pride and post pride as well.

Listen .... taking a bad beating at the end of your career for shitty money just to please sherdog is not a great decision for a fighter to make.

And Tom should share some blame here too. He could have kept fighting and winning and made himself undeniable as well as a big money fight but instead he chose to talk a lot.

Disclaimer... I am in no way saying Fedor is not a goat level fighter I'm just saying he's human and it seems like you guys see him as some mythical being and seem blind to some of the realities of his career

 

[ff]

Fedor tom destroy Tom

 

[Poison Breed]

Tell me again? What was Fedor doing at Jones age? He was losing 3 in a row. So honestly even if he did fight Aspinal, I don't think Fedors fans would enjoy the results.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

The problem with that is that Overeem was clearly using, and, as i pointed out, the avoided defending his title for three years to avoid USA testing, as weak as it was. And the fact that he felt he needed to do it even before USADA tells you how much he was using. The other problem with that is Overeem was not Coleman or Randleman before using or after. He was Overeem, and it's not about whether he looked like them, it was about how blatantly different he was than original Overeem.

When he failed his UFC test, his T/E ration was 14/1. Normal is 1/1. That's insanely blatant juicing, and, no, this sheer mass compared to Randleman or Coleman was not comparable. Randleman, before and after fighting Fedor also fought at 205. Coleman, when he fought Fedor, was 224. Overeem spent 8 years and 30+ fights as a LHW, and then, within a couple of years, was cutting weight to make the 265 limit. Please.

And Fedor didn't outright refuse to fight him. Fedor said he'd fight him if he passed a PED test. Not at all the same thing. Did Reem take one? If all he had to do was pass a PED test, and he refused to do so, couldn't you argue that it was Reem who ducked fighting Fedor?

Who is Fedor to demand something that the promotion wasn't demanding of Overeem? And I'd be more on Fedor's side if he demanded everyone pass a PED test to fight him. Because he clearly fought other roiders and didn't make that demand of them. So what makes Overeem different? Fedor was still pretty confident he'd beat those other guys but wasn't confident he'd beat Overeem simple. Like Overeem said they'd tried to make Fedor vs Overeem twice and Fedor's side wasn't going with it.

And for the people who say Fedor entered the GP and would've fought Overeem then Fedor had lost to Werdum by then. The Fedor mystique and the leverage it allowed him to wield was gone. The promotion wasn't going to cater to Fedor anymore.

 

[moreorless87]

Yes and while I agree the fight still should have happened for historical reasons I would heavily favor Fedor finishing the fight, also do agree that Nog by the time he entered UFC was at like 60% of what he was in Pride don't think that's an exaggeration just facts based on the wars he had been in previously, a lot of modern UFC fans disregard that sort of thing.

I do thin Nog by that point had actually dropped off more than Randy but still had enough to show that kind of fight was a bad style matchup.

Randy's career really I'd argue was based on smart gameplans but in this case like Nog I don't see what he could do, I spose Fedor's sub grappling was in decline but if your talking 07-08 he was still pretty strong and standing he was far more dangerous than Nog.

Personally I suspect this would end in a KO pretty fast, maybe Randy might be able to get a takedown or two but I don't see much coming from them.

 

[fzoid4454]

Who is Fedor to demand something that the promotion wasn't demanding of Overeem? And I'd be more on Fedor's side if he demanded everyone pass a PED test to fight him. Because he clearly fought other roiders and didn't make that demand of them. So what makes Overeem different? Fedor was still pretty confident he'd beat those other guys but wasn't confident he'd beat Overeem simple. Like Overeem said they'd tried to make Fedor vs Overeem twice and Fedor's side wasn't going with it.

And for the people who say Fedor entered the GP and would've fought Overeem then Fedor had lost to Werdum by then. The Fedor mystique and the leverage it allowed him to wield was gone. The promotion wasn't going to cater to Fedor anymore.

He was the top MMA draw and an icon in the sport. He had as much standing as GSP to push for it. And, let's be clear, it was Fedor's management as much as him making the "demands." He was asking for it for ALL participants in the HW grand prix tournament. So it didn't make Overeem different, at all. He was asking it of everyone. And, seriously, even if it WAS for Overeem, himself, going from 8 years of fighting at 205 to cutting weight to make 265, and pretty much none of that fat, as well as dodging fighting in the USA for three years, as champ (aka not defending) flags him as an obvious PED user, the most blatant one, along with Vitor. So, Overeem, and his actions, would have made him different. But it wasn't just him, so that's a phony argument on your part.

Seems like you don't have a clue about actual events as they unfolded, kind of like you trying to ding Fedor for fighting Werdum because Werdum got popped.... almost a full decade AFTER they fought.

"Who was Fedor to make demands"? He was the guy who just got stiffed because his fight with Barnett fell through because of PEDs, where he put out time, effort and expense to promote the event and got nothing. Seems like a pretty legitimate reason, and, really, is asking for non-cheating in the sport REALLY something that should be sneered at?