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Reyes won on points and he also won the fight.
It's not a fight to the death and forward pressure is irrelevant if you're losing the standup and getting you're takedowns stuffed in those rounds.
I'll just leave this here for you
Reyes won on points and he also won the fight.
I'm never reading all of that.I think a lot of the discrepancy between Reyes and Jones underscores a fundamental difference in ideology between fight fans. I also think it underscores a fundamental difference in comprehending the point of a fight to begin with.
Lest we all forget, the end of the day, the entire point of a fight is to determine WHO IS THE BETTER MAN.
The "sporting" aspect of a fight is designed to make it all safe, to make sure no one gets killed (or permanently injured), blah blah blah ... but let us not forget the entire point of a fight is to determine who who is the better man.
Fight stats, Compu-box quotas, etc., only determine (imperfectly) ... how many punches were thrown, how many landed, how many power shots, etc. These statistics do not, in ANY way determine the intangibles of who actually won the fight.
Let us all agree that the idea of any fight is a) to finish; and/or b) to thoroughly dominate.
Many (ignorant, biased, woefully-misinformed) people believe that "landing punches" is the only way to break a fight outcome down.
These people have no comprehension that forward pressure, not letting an opponent rest, economy of movement (compared to an opponent's wasted movement) ... and all manner of other subtleties ... can break a fighter just as surely (and even more surely) then can landing punches.
That said, of the two fighters Saturday night, Jones and Reyes, Jones' constant forward pressure, constantly not letting Reyes rest ... were having a more debilitating effect on Reyes ... than any punch or kick (or series of punches or kicks) that Reyes threw at Jones.
The absolute forward, dominant pressure of Jones was gradually breaking Reyes' spirit and manhood. Reyes, the young buck, was constantly (even desperately) backpedaling, giving ground, and praying for the bell to ring ... while Jon Jones was methodically trying to hammer that ass. Reyes was happy that the 5th and final bell rang; Jones was not.
In a fight to the death, Jon Jones kills Dominic Reyes.
The lack of agreement between "sporting fans" (who count "how many times Reyes 'touched' Jones") ... versus true fight fans (who calculate Alpha-Malehood, DOMINANCE, and IMPENDING MOMENTUM) can't ever come to terms because they value different critera.
I would say that those fight fans who "count points" aren't really fight fans at all. They are pretenders and casuals.
True fight fans want to know who finishes whom, who is TRULY the better man.
While many people may disagree "who outed-pointed whom," in the Jon Jones vs. Dominic Reyes fight; I don't think too many people would argue about "who would win a fight to the death, no time limit."
IMO, Jones is the true champion, because he asserted himself throughout the fight ... he made Dominick Reyes give ground and hide ... and while Dominic may have "out-pointed Jones" ... he was mostly trying to avoid the danger zone ... especially toward the end.
The former paradigm is what champions are made of.
The letter paradigm is what pretenders are made of.
I understand what you're saying but that's not how it works. Each round is worth 10 points no matter the number in front of it. Reyes is still new. He's only had 13 fights. I give you that he gassed, but so did Jones in the Gustafsson fight. His cardio got better and so will Reyes. This was his first 5 rounder.I agree Reyes won on points.
Jon Jones was the stronger, better man ... who would kill Reyes in a fight to the death ... and had Reyes thankful for the bell at the end of the 5th round.
I understand what you're saying but that's not how it works. Each round is worth 10 points no matter the number in front of it. Reyes is still new. He's only had 13 fights. I give you that he gassed, but so did Jones in the Gustafsson fight. His cardio got better and so will Reyes. This was his first 5 rounder.
It goes by rounds. In rounds one through three, Reyes was the aggressor. and the one with relentless pressure. Jones was literally running away with his back turned. Granted Jones was the Aggressor in the last two rounds but that doesn't mean he wins the whole fight. That's just not how it works. By your logic, they should just fight until one of them dies.Yes, but once again, you can't just judge the round on "punches landed" ... if the relentless pressure of the other fighter debilitates the other more than the "few extra punches thrown."
If the puncher is exhausted and done, then the stronger, more economical fighter WON ... on effective aggression, ring generalship, and defense.
It goes by rounds. In rounds one through three, Reyes was the aggressor. and the one with relentless pressure. Jones was literally running away with his back turned. Granted Jones was the Aggressor in the last two rounds but that doesn't mean he wins the whole fight. That's just not how it works. By your logic, they should just fight until one of them dies.
You made my night with how butthurt you are over a forum post that I threw out while playing a video game.
Cool, so
Nah. If you have been a part of MMA the past 5 years you would know that no one cares who finishes who. It's who they like. Doesn't matter if the right man won.
Read the scoring criteria, your opinion means nothing because forward pressure does not score points unless there is no advantage in the striking and grappling. Reyes had the striking and grappling advantage in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounds.You are actually quite wrong.
Forward pressure and relentless assault can actually be MORE debilitating to one fighter than "number of punches landed" are to the other.
Hence, Jones was fresh ... and still after that ass ... while Reyes was nearly-broken ... avoiding contact and praying for the bell to ring.
Reyes was happy that the 5th and final bell rang; Jones was not.
Read the scoring criteria, your opinion means nothing because forward pressure does not score points unless there is no advantage in the striking and grappling. Reyes had the striking and grappling advantage in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounds.
You are wrong.
There’s the ignorant self-proclaimed “MMA Analyst” again. Trying to force his garbage beliefs/opinions on everyone then getting butthurt if you don’t agree. Begone Douche.You incredibly stupid f*ck.
I've been with MMA since the UFC began in 1993 ... and I boxed before the UFC existed ... and before you were a smile on your daddy's face.
Please sit TF down, and shut TF up.
Your whole arguement is that Reyes got tired. Please show me where it says that the fresher fighter wins the round because the the other fighter got tired. Actually, show me where anything you said is in the unified scoring criteriaClassic insanity and delustion.
I did read the criteria; I explained what the difference was in incredible detail. You (and that other imbecile) cannot comprehend what I am saying.
Debilitated = debilitated.
Weakened = weakened.
Broken = broken.
If a fighter becomes weakened, debilitated, and broken ... it doesn't matter if 'punches' ... or 'pressure' caused the debilitated state.
Reyes was the tired, weakened, broken, debilitated fighter in the end .. while Jones wasn't any of these things.
This means, Jones won the fight ...
Actually, clown, YOU are wrong ... check the scorecards ... and look at the record.
I was trying to explain (to the dense) WHY there is a misunderstanding as to "how" fights are scored ... but you're too dense and inexperienced to comprehend the subtleties ... even when they're spelled out for you.
Do carry on then