White privilege diminishes our humanity: 10 Commitments for meaningful change

[FIMN]

I like Jordan Peterson's take on this.

We don't belong to just one group, we belong to many. And race/sex/ethnicity are not the only axis along which we may assess privilege. Intelligence and attractiveness are obvious examples. So Obama, for instance, doesn't have white privilege, but he's brilliant, charismatic, a great speaker, rich, and let's not forget, the former leader of the free world. If that's not privilege, I don't know what is.

So what's the best way to take all of your individual privileges into account? Stop analyzing privilege at a collectivist level and just take each person as an individual.

Each person deserves to be treated as an individual, not as a member of a group. Not exactly a novel concept, but one that invalidates the idea of "white privilege".

That's great if we can collectively do that. But we can't. That's kind of the point.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Seems like it was a year or 2 ago, they were also saying that you should go to the bank and transfer money into black peoples accounts for reputations or some bullshit. It is hilarious. Hey I never did anything wrong but I’m going to punish myself and give my hard earned money to somebody who was never harmed.....

I think this rather highlights that so much of modern politics basically comes down to the rich and powerful looking to try and draw attention away from themselves. So basically guilt for past and represent socioeconomic factors that disadvantage black people is shifted onto white people as a whole not onto those who actually benefited from it and still benefit from it. This goes largely unchallenged because its what both sides of mainstream politics are happy with as both are ultimately controlled by the same class of ultra wealthy individuals.

I mean even when economics do come up I think you see the establishment struggle to try and shift things along the same lines, the democrats like to talk about selfish baby boomers, the republicans like to talk about the idea of said boomers being targets for excessive tax, the reality is I'd say that the real class struggle today is the 0.1% against everyone else.

 

[goldennirvana]

No, people like @goldennirvana probably say they are pride of being white

Please quote me where I've said or even implied such a thing.

Nobody I know on here or IRL have said feel guilty of being white.

The modern left is in the business of it. But you live under a rock, so you're not aware of it.

 

[goldennirvana]

As someone who spends far more time in progressive circles than you

It's right from the horse's mouth I hear 'progressives' constantly guilt-tripping white people for simply being white. Again, you are delusional.

Perhaps you have fallen into a right wing news and outrage cycle due to your obsession with racial identity politics, skewing your views?

Like I said, I get it right from the horse's mouth. Just take a look at twitter's 'social justice' quarter for a taste. If you so much as give white people the smallest little compliment, they'll attack you for being a 'white supremacist'. Calling white people every insult under the sun though is completely acceptable and actually encouraged.

 

[Happy Man]

The first 15 mins or so is a nice breakdown of how this works

This Is just sad. Black people are not ancient egyptians. The nubians/kushite kingdom only conquered me reigned for about a century in the old kingdom.

Fucking sad that people so desperately want to have somebody sort of historic relevance or history better than mud huts that they get captivated by nonsense.

 

[goldennirvana]

What are you hoping is gained from the kind of contentious exchange were having? You don't seem to be approaching this discussion with the spirit of insight and discovery but rather defense. You want to defend your "white people did everything" world view that you have been indoctrinated with more than you want to learn and consider new information and new things. Thus whats the point here?

You perfectly demonstrate just how spineless you are. Where have I said "white people did everything"? YOU are the one that feels the need to steal white people's history, because you're so insecure about your own having none worth talking about. And now you have to put words in my mouth because you're such a pathetic coward.

You posted a dumb meme and I pointed that out. I challenged you, yet you claim it's me who isn't interested in discovery & insight? LOL! You then realised it was a dumb meme (... "forget the statue" LOL), so you backed up out of that argument. So what I was hoping to achieve has already been achieved.

 

[goldennirvana]

We wuz in caves n shit!!

You're admitting whites weren't in caves ya dummy. lol

The whole 'whites used to live in caves' insult is so dumb. Would you like me to explain why?

 

[Bald1]

Lol when did that happen? Is that like reparations? Haha, my family came to the US in the early 1900s, as did probably 75 percent of people of European decent that are here now.

I looked for the thread without luck. It was something like 12 suggestions for white folk to make up for their privilege. The only reason I remember it because I made one of my dismissive, asshat comments that got 50 likes from both sides of the isle. You know an idea is utter shite when everyone dismisses it regardless of political leanings.

 

[TeTe]

I looked for the thread without luck. It was something like 12 suggestions for white folk to make up for their privilege. The only reason I remember it because I made one of my dismissive, asshat comments that got 50 likes from both sides of the isle. You know an idea is utter shite when everyone dismisses it regardless of political leanings.

Yeah no kidding. I came from poor family and was raised by single mother who to this day is an alcoholic. I was fortunate enough to have my lower middle class grandparents take custody of me when I was 12 and forced me to finish school and did their best to keep me out of trouble.

I wasn't given a pot to piss in growing up. I had to buy everything myself, inherited nothing and had to pay my own way through college. Ive had to earn every cent I have. Hell, only my aunt graduated from college in my immediate family.

And now I'm supposed to give my shit away to the minority version of my lazy family members because of something as dumb as skin color? Some privilege.

 

[Bald1]

Yeah no kidding. I came from poor family and was raised by single mother who to this day is an alcoholic. I was fortunate enough to have my lower middle class grandparents take custody of me when I was 12 and forced me to finish school and did their best to keep me out of trouble.

I wasn't given a pot to piss in growing up. I had to buy everything myself, inherited nothing and had to pay my own way through college. Ive had to earn every cent I have. Hell, only my aunt graduated from college in my immediate family.

And now I'm supposed to give my shit away to the minority version of my lazy family members because of something as dumb as skin color? Some privilege.

Racist!

Reported!

Pick one.

I actually admit there is something to majority (read white) privilege, but it's by no means the most important one. Class, culture, and health (yes, able body privilege is a thing) all trump it. Myself I enjoy majority and cultural privilege, but they're almost negated by my immigrant underprivileged stat. This is a hard equation to solve.

 

[FIMN]

The modern left is in the business of it. But you live under a rock, so you're not aware of it.

I probably spend more time in left leaning and progressive circles than you do and I've never heard it implied, let alone said.

Given how many left leaning posters there are here, can't be too hard to find some examples of this forum and quote the posters who believe it, right?

 

[TheComebackKid]

This Is just sad. Black people are not ancient egyptians. The nubians/kushite kingdom only conquered me reigned for about a century in the old kingdom.

Fucking sad that people so desperately want to have somebody sort of historic relevance or history better than mud huts that they get captivated by nonsense.

Actually if you listen the guy points out that black Americans are not descendents of ancient Egyptians. Hes not trying to connect black Americans with Egypt. Hes just pointing out how you guys lighten things up in order to increase your historical relevancy.

 

[TheComebackKid]

You perfectly demonstrate just how spineless you are. Where have I said "white people did everything"? YOU are the one that feels the need to steal white people's history, because you're so insecure about your own having none worth talking about. And now you have to put words in my mouth because you're such a pathetic coward.

You posted a dumb meme and I pointed that out. I challenged you, yet you claim it's me who isn't interested in discovery & insight? LOL! You then realised it was a dumb meme (... "forget the statue" LOL), so you backed up out of that argument. So what I was hoping to achieve has already been achieved.

Ben Franklin in 1751: Europe is black

You: Stop trying to steal our history!

Me:



Giovanni Verazzano in 1524: The Indians are black like Ethiopians

You: Stop trying to steal our history!

Me:

 

[TheComebackKid]

Sorry - one last parting shot.

Are steppe nomads and Mongols black? Asking because they were always described as "swarthy".

Gotta go...

Everything started out swarthy and tawny

 

[Bald1]

Everything started out swarthy and tawny

Ok then.

I present to you protoswarthosapien.

Lets recreate him, Jurassic Park style, and we'll all move to the moon. The meek shall inherit the earth, after all.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Ok then.

I present to you protoswarthosapien.

Lets recreate him, Jurassic Park style, and we'll all move to the moon. The meek shall inherit the earth, after all.

Swarthy homo sapiens have no relation to this thing. Caucasions might tho. You guys are supposedly 4% neanderthal afterall.

 

[Bald1]

Swarthy homo sapiens have no relation to this thing. Caucasions might tho.

I'm sure you know, but we've arrived at a point where I'm just fawking with you as I see no merit in your arguments. I think you have a nimble mind so am baffled how you buy into some of the theories you do.

I'll now bow out of our convo here in the name of civility.

 

[NoDak]

Actually if you listen the guy points out that black Americans are not descendents of ancient Egyptians. Hes not trying to connect black Americans with Egypt. Hes just pointing out how you guys lighten things up in order to increase your historical relevancy.

What other historical relevance is needed outside of the scientific / industrial revolutions? Humanity is six million (not thousand, TCK) years in the making, 200,000 since evolving into modern anatomical form and 50,000 out from the of behavioral modernity. What's taken place over the last 330+ comfortably eclipses every advancement that came before it combined. The publishing of Naturalis Principia Mathematica may well be the most significant 'event' in the history of the species.

And these are actually things the British Isles and Anglo/English can lay 'claim' to in particular - the only real white people. I'm genetically Nordic and we've never really done shit aside from create cool mythology, build dope viking ships, rape and pillage as warlords for 270 or so years before getting put in our place and knocked back up north when King Harald III was killed in battle. Was he swarthy and packing a big, black donger though? I seriously doubt it.

 

[Bald1]

... I'm genetically Nordic and we've never really done shit aside from create cool mythology, build dope viking ships, rape and pillage as warlords for 270 or so years before getting put in our place and knocked back up north when King Harald III was killed in battle. Was he swarthy and packing a big, black donger though? I seriously doubt it.

The most searched term on pornhub? BSwarthyC. It is known.

I really gotta stay out of this thread.

 

[TheComebackKid]

I'm sure you know, but we've arrived at a point where I'm just fawking with you as I see no merit in your arguments. I think you have a nimble mind so am baffled how you buy into some of the theories you do.

I'll now bow out of our convo here in the name of civility.

But all I'm doing is presenting you with information and you don't even look at it. Which is fine but then why be baffled when you know you ignoring things?

For instance, if I tell you that Henry the 3rd of the Holy Roman Empire was also known as Enrique el Negro, Henry the Black, and Den Svarte(svarte as in 'swarthy') you wouldn't bat an eye. But for me I would be forced to ask myself..."why is the german king being called a negro by his contemporaries when he is supposed to be white?" Theres only one answer to that question man lol. I'm baffled that you can so easily dismiss these things.