White privilege diminishes our humanity: 10 Commitments for meaningful change

[goldennirvana]

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Ben Franklin claims that Germans cannot acquire their complexion. If he is just talking about slightly darker white people(even though Germans and swedes should be completely pale) then he would not be concerned about complexion. He specifically refers to Europeans as "the Sons of Africa".

Simple: he's wrong. I also don't even know that's a real quote. I don't care enough to look it up and see if it's legitimate. And you STILL haven't answered my question: If Europe was black (or even brown) back then... where'd all those black (or brown) people go?

 

[TheComebackKid]

Generally speaking, their skin might be ever-so-slightly more tanned (a goldenish tan, rather than a brownish tan). I personally have noticed that with many Swedes, not so much with Germans. However what I am saying is that BF was not saying Europe was black or brown back then. Which leads me to repeating my last question to you: If Europe was black (or even brown) back then... where'd all those black (or brown) people go?

The narrative is that they were slowly conquered, enslaved, and dispersed. That's why Ben Franklin was saying not to send them here when they had a chance to make America all white. Looking back into the mideival Europe im finding all kinds of swarthy, mulatto, and tawny people including kings, queens, and emperors.

When I get some time I'm going to look into the "diaspora" that occurred in Ireland in the 1600s under Oliver Cromwell. I'm anticipating that I'll find out those people were swarthy or tawny.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Simple: he's wrong.

Cmoooon man! How do you misdescribe people as ethiopian looking black people? And how are you so comfortable just declaring that to be the case with no research or insight lol?

I also don't even know that's a real quote. I don't care enough to look it up and see if it's legitimate. And you STILL haven't answered my question: If Europe was black (or even brown) back then... where'd all those black (or brown) people go?

Well see that's the problem. You refuse to honestly consider the information. The minute you do tho it quickly becomes irrefutable. Paintings, scultpures,s quotes, writings, documents, oral history all show without a doubt that todays "black americans" largley descend from aboriginal Americans

 

[goldennirvana]

Cmoooon man! How do you misdescribe people as ethiopian looking black people? And how are you so comfortable just declaring that to be the case with no research or insight lol?

Simple: if Europe was black back then, more people would've written about it. And my simple question which you keep ignoring also proves you know what you're saying is nonsense: If Europe was black (or even brown) back then... where'd all those black (or brown) people go?

 

[TheComebackKid]

Simple: if Europe was black back then, more people would've written about it.

What if I told you...they did?

And my simple question which you keep ignoring also proves you know what you're saying is nonsense: If Europe was black (or even brown) back then... where'd all those black (or brown) people go?

I just answered that for you. They were conquered, enslaved, and dispersed. So where are they today? All over the world from to Africa to the Americas back to Europe.

 

[goldennirvana]

The narrative is that they were slowly conquered, enslaved, and dispersed.

In which wars? Where were they dispersed to? If they were dispersed, the descendants of those refugees should have folk stories of how they were once inhabitants of Europe, until whites kicked them out. If there were large massacres of black people back then, there would be mass graves of skeletons with skulls bearing negroid features. Where is the evidence? And the white people who conquered these black people, where did they come from?

That's why Ben Franklin was saying not to send them here when they had a chance to make America all white.

Can you provide evidence that the quote you posted from BF is irrefutably from him? I don't want a link to some afro-centrist website. Give me reputable source.

Looking back into the mideival Europe im finding all kinds of swarthy, mulatto, and tawny people including kings, queens, and emperors.

But you're not.

When I get some time I'm going to look into the "diaspora" that occurred in Ireland in the 1600s under Oliver Cromwell. I'm anticipating that I'll find out those people were swarthy or tawny.

You can find anything out to suit your agenda. Just keep looking at afro-centrist websites and you'll find 'evidence' for anything.

It really is pathetic & cringeworthy, but I understand why you do it. Your motivation to engage in this fake history fantasy is due to black history being so barren.

 

[goldennirvana]

What if I told you...they did?

They didn't. And you still haven't proven the quote from BF you posted is genuine.

Also, just to remind you: 'swarthy' doesn't mean black.

I just answered that for you. They were conquered, enslaved, and dispersed. So where are they today? All over the world from to Africa to the Americas back to Europe.

Evidence needed.

 

[bushman505]

And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People - Ben Franklin

You were saying?

@bushman505

Saying that there is another explanation....because you wasn’t kangs and shit....

 

[TheComebackKid]

In which wars? Where were they dispersed to?

Don't know. This is a new topic for me so I can't explain all that yet. That is why I said "the narrative is". What I can show are paintings, sculptures, quotes, descriptions, family crests, surnames showing so called people of color to be a heavy presence in Europe, including kings and emperors, as far back as the Roman Empire. I can also show those same things regarding the Americas.

If they were dispersed, the descendants of those refugees should have folk stories of how they were once inhabitants of Europe, until whites kicked them out. If there were large massacres of black people back then, there would be mass graves of skeletons with skulls bearing negroid features. Where is the evidence? And the white people who conquered these black people, where did they come from?

I can't say those things don't exist and neither can you. You didn't know that there were inca kings list paintings from the 1500s showing black people like this

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or black Roman Emperors like this

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, or that Queen Victoria's grandmother was mulatto. There are alot of things you havent been made aware of. When will you humble yourself and acknowledge this?

Also, given the history we've been taught shouldn't there be millions of Africans who have family stories, legends, and oral history about millions of of their people getting snatched away by the white man? Well fun fact...there are none. Shouldn't we have seen some African delegations coming here looking to reclaim it's lost people? Yea, we see none of that. They don't even like us lol. Africans learn about the slave trade in schools provided by westerners. Explain that one.

Can you provide evidence that the quote you posted from BF is irrefutably from him? I don't want a link to some afro-centrist website. Give me reputable source.

It comes from a paper he published in 1751 entitled 'Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, ect'. Is the national archives reputable enough?

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-04-02-0080

Looky here...something you didn't know.

You can find anything out to suit your agenda. Just keep looking at afro-centrist websites and you'll find 'evidence' for anything.

I'm not looking at afro centric website. Another thing you are unaware of is that afrocentrists are currently locked in a battle against the aborigine crowd because their views are completely different.

It really is pathetic & cringeworthy, but I understand why you do it. Your motivation to engage in this fake history fantasy is due to black history being so barren.

Actually according to my view it is highly unlikely that I descend from black european royalty as black europeans are a completely different people than the indigenous so called black americans. However, it sounds like we Americans did teach you guys how to bath consistently when you first got here as well as farming and basic survival. But hey, whose keeping score.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Saying that there is another explanation....because you wasn’t kangs and shit....

Those are my peoples right there

 

[bushman505]

Those are my peoples right there

If you are actually a brown native, sure. If you’re a black dude then nope.

But in 2018 you can identify as whatever you want. You’re full of shit and totally wrong but you can identify as it lol.

 

[TheComebackKid]

If you are actually a brown native, sure. If you’re a black dude then nope.

But in 2018 you can identify as whatever you want. You’re full of shit and totally wrong but you can identify as it lol.

Black Americans range from light to dark copper...just like those people in the picture.

 

[bushman505]

Black Americans range from light to dark copper...just like those people in the picture.

Ok you just convinced me, native Americans were black. Lol....not.

 

[goldennirvana]

Don't know.

As expected.

That is why I said "the narrative is".

From black supremacists, that's the narrative, yes.

What I can show are paintings, sculptures, quotes, descriptions, family crests, surnames showing so called people of color to be a heavy presence in Europe, including kings and emperors, as far back as the Roman Empire.

"Heavy" is a weasel word. Are you aware of what 'weasel word' means?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word

I can't say those things don't exist and neither can you.

What I can say is that there is no evidence for your claims. Answer the question: And the white people who conquered these black people, where did they come from?

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or black Roman Emperors like this

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You've already posted those paintings ITT. They don't prove "Europe was black" hundreds of years ago.

or that Queen Victoria's grandmother was mulatto.

If QV's grandmother was mulatto, that would make QV 1/8th black. Big whoop.

There are alot of things you havent been made aware of. When will you humble yourself and acknowledge this?

You are providing ZERO reputable sources. You do realise that, yes?

Also, given the history we've been taught shouldn't there be millions of Africans who have family stories, legends, and oral history about millions of of their people getting snatched away by the white man? Well fun fact...there are none.

Because blacks were not "snatched away by the white man". They were sold to whites (and Arabs, North Africans & Jews) by other blacks.

Shouldn't we have seen some African delegations coming here looking to reclaim it's lost people?

Maybe they don't want to claim them?

Yea, we see none of that. They don't even like us lol.

Well there ya go. ROFL

It comes from a paper he published in 1751 entitled 'Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, ect'. Is the national archives reputable enough?

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-04-02-0080

Yep, that's what I was looking for. Thank you.

But like I said, swarthy doesn't mean black.

Actually according to my view it is highly unlikely that I descend from black european royalty as black europeans are a completely different people than the indigenous so called black americans.

It's still black people trying to steal the history of non-black folk. Whichever way you try and slice it & dice it, it's pathetic and cringeworthy.

However, it sounds like we Americans did teach you guys how to bath consistently when you first got here as well as farming and basic survival. But hey, whose keeping score.

I'm British btw.

 

[goldennirvana]

Black Americans range from light to dark copper

Because of non-black (overwhelmingly white) admixture.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Ok you just convinced me, native Americans were black. Lol....not.

You're right, they weren't black as in African but were actually copper colored and ranged from light to dark...like black americans today. Don't take my word for it. Let's ask 1828 webster what a indigenous American is...

 

[TheComebackKid]

What I can say is that there is no evidence for your claims. Answer the question: And the white people who conquered these black people, where did they come from?

Haven't found those answers yet

You've already posted those paintings ITT. They don't prove "Europe was black" hundreds of years ago.

It proves that it wasn't white at least exclusively.

If QV's grandmother was mulatto, that would make QV 1/8th black. Big whoop.

It means she descended from black royalty

You are providing ZERO reputable sources. You do realise that, yes?

The national archive isn't reputable? The Inca's Kings list isn't legit?

Because blacks were not "snatched away by the white man". They were sold to whites (and Arabs, North Africans & Jews) by other blacks.

Henry Gates is a fraud. I watch a speech by him explaining that DNA tests are largely made up and laughing about it. Also, there are not stories, legends, and oral histories about African selling off millions of their people to the white man. They learn about it in school.

Have you ever seen a slave ship? More than like one or two?

Maybe they don't want to claim them?

Well there ya go. ROFL

It's always been this way. Africans from Africa don't mess with us at all. It's because we are different people...theres no connection or affinity. And being from African they don't even define themselves as a race but by nationalities like people used to do before the racial integrity act of 1924.

Yep, that's what I was looking for. Thank you.

But like I said, swarthy doesn't mean black.

swarth·y
ˈswôrT͟Hē/
adjective
adjective: swarthy; comparative adjective: swarthier; superlative adjective: swarthiest

1. dark-skinned.
   "she looked frail standing next to her strong and swarthy brother"
   synonyms: dark-skinned, olive-skinned, dusky, tanned, saturnine, black;
   archaicswart
   "his swarthy complexion"
   antonyms: pale

Let's look at the German translation for swarthy:

schwarz (comparative schwärzer, superlative am schwärzesten)(as in Arnold schwarzenegger)

1. black, reflecting little or no light
2. (figuratively) illegal
3. black, having a high amount of melanin in an organ, e.g. the skin
4. (politics, Germany) pertaining to the CDU or CSU (large center-right Christian Democratic parties, whose associated colour is black)
5. (of coffee) without milk

Lets look at the swedish translation:

svart (neuter singular svart, definite singular and plural svarte, comparative svartere, indefinite superlative svartest, definite superlative svarteste)

1. black (colour)
2. illegal; in avoidance of taxes

Look man, you can argue that maybe Ben Franklin was misusing the word(really can't argue that) but you can't argue that swarthy doesn't refer to dark skinned people.

It's still black people trying to steal the history of non-black folk. Whichever way you try and slice it & dice it, it's pathetic and cringeworthy.

Nope, people are just following facts. It is customary that when one group conquers another they immediately destroy their statues, documents, and history. Same thing happened in Europe and the Americas.

I'm British btw.

Different people

 

[TheComebackKid]

Because of non-black (overwhelmingly white) admixture.

False it's b evause our ancestors were that color. Most black Americans, like 80%+ of us, don't look like west africans

 

[TheComebackKid]

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[bushman505]

You're right, they weren't black as in African but were actually copper colored and ranged from light to dark...like black americans today. Don't take my word for it. Let's ask 1828 webster what a indigenous American is...

...dude, they still are darker skinned and look nothing like black people, I’ve spent the majority of my life living in areas with lots of natives, including here in Alaska.