International What is everyones thoughts on a war with Venezuela?

[Rational Poster]

Man they grabbed their fucking president in the middle of the night without a single casualty and killing like 32 Cubans in the process.

Your whole "Venezuela is going to be harder than Iraq" couldn't be more fucking wrong.



Your point was indeed about the logistical problems of military actions in Venezuela i told you it was going to be easy you claimed it wouldn't


I don't even know what the fuck you were arguing you couldn't be more wrong about it

Didn't read and ignored

 

[Rod1]

Didn't read and ignored

 

[filthybliss]

Your whole "Venezuela is going to be harder than Iraq" couldn't be more fucking wrong.

In Iraq, we had armed opposition on the ground with the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. Venezuela, however, lacks any armed democratic opposition.

Your point was indeed about the logistical problems of military actions in Venezuela i told you it was going to be easy you claimed it wouldn't

Blowing shit up is easy, but piecemealing things back together is hard.

Venezuela doesn't have an army, but the regime maintains hold through a kleptocratic police force. Capturing the dictator is the easy part but rewiring the country back into a Constitutional Democracy is where things get hazy. Outside of the Caracas, Venezuela is saddled with several paramilitary groups ("colectivos", probably 100,000+), perennially capsizing any local opposition. You would need to build a larger and less corrupt police force to remediate the situation which would require a US occupation. The terrain and size of the country would make that a blood bath.

 

[filthybliss]

No, you can blame the system for that too, if the hospitals had more staff, and were better equipped to receive a normal volume of patients, they would be able to tend to both. The tens of billions of dollars they’ve given to Ukraine would go a long way in improving those conditions.

How would limiting the shipment of retrograde weaponry, already paid for in the 80-90s, improve labor shortages in the health sector?

“Socialism failing as it always does, this time in Venezuela. You talk about giving everybody something for free and all of sudden there’s no food to eat.” - Vin Scully

I don't think you understand what socialism is....Every country in the world practices some form of socialism, the US government entirely subsidizes police force, K-12 education, and free-ways. Are you one of those ACAB wokesters?

 

[Stoic1]

Didn't read and ignored

You were besmirched~

 

[Rational Poster]

You were besmirched~

No I wasn't lmao.

Weirdo completely ignored an essay I wrote to him and he keeps responding to my other posts and to other posters. I'm not going to put any effort into a conversation if he's not going to have the courtesy to read and respond to my thoughtful posts.

But it's cute to see you cheering from the side lines YET AGAIN since you're such a fucking moron.

 

[Absolut]

Fuck US debt!

“After long and difficult negotiations with Senators, Congressmen, Secretaries, and other Political Representatives, I have determined that, for the Good of our Country, especially in these very troubled and dangerous times, our Military Budget for the year 2027 should not be $1 Trillion Dollars, but rather $1.5 Trillion Dollars,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post on Wednesday.

 

[MrShady]

Fuck US debt!

“After long and difficult negotiations with Senators, Congressmen, Secretaries, and other Political Representatives, I have determined that, for the Good of our Country, especially in these very troubled and dangerous times, our Military Budget for the year 2027 should not be $1 Trillion Dollars, but rather $1.5 Trillion Dollars,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post on Wednesday.

The MIC thanks MAGA for their service....long live the warhawks and corporate class.

 

[filthybliss]

It hasn't even been a week and you're spiking the football, lmao.

My point wasn't about loss of US military personnel, but the long term cost associated with taking responsibility for the country. If you actually read my post you would know that.

Until you read and respond to my original reply to you I am not going to respond to any of your posts on this topic, because I went over a lot of this.

Bro, didn’t you suggest a regime change was a good idea to do in Iran like last summer?

Jamming your dick into a beehive like Iran is way more catastrophic than a regime change in Venezuela.

Nobody in the region likes Maduro, his terrible economic planning and repression coerced like 25% of the population to flee. The Mullahs of Iran are not nearly as hated regionally as Maduro is on a domestic or global scale.

Not to mention, Iran is extremely heterogenous and theocratic. Afghanistan has a more recent history of secular leadership than Iran does to put things into perspective.

But lord, I don’t know why either you or Rod would think Trump launching offensive wars is worth the risk of him shattering domestic institutions.

 

[Rational Poster]

And the oil execs just told the Trump regime to their face that Venezuela is uninvestable.

Even if they wanted to do it and their was a current need for the resources, it would take decades of investment and they don't trust the place will remain stable long enough to see any sort of return for their shareholders. But there isn't even currently a need for their oil resources, lmao.

 

[syct23]

And the oil execs just told the Trump regime to their face that Venezuela is uninvestable.

Even if they wanted to do it and their was a current need for the resources, it would take decades of investment and they don't trust the place will remain stable long enough to see any sort of return for their shareholders. But there isn't even currently a need for their oil resources, lmao.

Go back to Chevron..

 

[Rational Poster]

Bro, didn’t you suggest a regime change was a good idea to do in Iran like last summer?

Jamming your dick into a beehive like Iran is way more catastrophic than a regime change in Venezuela.

Nobody in the region likes Maduro, his terrible economic planning and repression coerced like 25% of the population to flee. The Mullahs of Iran are not nearly as hated regionally as Maduro is on a domestic or global scale.

Not to mention, Iran is extremely heterogenous and theocratic. Afghanistan has a more recent history of secular leadership than Iran does to put things into perspective.

But lord, I don’t know why either you or Rod would think Trump launching offensive wars is worth the risk of him shattering domestic institutions.

My position on both issues would be that regime change in both countries is something that would be a net positive eventually for the people there if done properly or more ideally from within, but I have no confidence that the Trump regime would be capable of handling it competently.

 

[heloder]

And the oil execs just told the Trump regime to their face that Venezuela is uninvestable.

Even if they wanted to do it and their was a current need for the resources, it would take decades of investment and they don't trust the place will remain stable long enough to see any sort of return for their shareholders. But there isn't even currently a need for their oil resources, lmao.

That's because the oil execs actually understand economics. Trump and his supporters are retards who think extracting more oil when there isn't an oil shortage is something any oil company is interested in doing. Well let's see...

- You already have more oil leases in the US than you can even utilize.

- Flooding the market with oil when there isn't a shortage will cause profits to go down.

- Investing in Venezuela is going to cost tens of billions of dollars up front.

In what world does it make sense for them? Here, invest a metric fuck ton of money in a potentially hostile country just so that your profits tank. That's MAGA logic. In fact, the only way it would make sense is if those oil companies stopped drilling in the United States. That would allow them to save their American assets while utilizing the Venezuelan assets. But it would fuck over tens of thousands of American workers.

And really, it still wouldn't make sense, because fossil fuels are a declining industry, and these companies have enough oil in the United States to get them through the next century.

The problem is, Trump is a Fascist, but hates Capitalism and wishes we were Communist so that he could just nationalize these industries and control them the way he wants to (which is to bend them to his personal benefit, of course).

 

[Alpha_T83]

My position on both issues would be that regime change in both countries is something that would be a net positive eventually for the people there if done properly or more ideally from within, but I have no confidence that the Trump regime would be capable of handling it competently.

What's worse is that Trump appears to be resisting free & fair elections in Venezuela because he knows Machado would win, and he's jealous that she won the Nobel Prize and not him.

 

[Hdfi]

US is foreign invader parasite stealing Venezuela's oil. Hopefully they'll kill all those shitty invaders and CIA terrorists.

 

[Poon Goon]

US is foreign invader parasite stealing Venezuela's oil. Hopefully they'll kill all those shitty invaders and CIA terrorists.

Death to America? Rude.

 

[Hdfi]

Death to America? Rude.

The ones invading Venezuela. It's rude to invade another country to steal oil.

 

[SurferH2O]

US is foreign invader parasite stealing Venezuela's oil. Hopefully they'll kill all those shitty invaders and CIA terrorists.

You say that almost as well as the Radical Muslim mullahs from Iran.

Your knowledge of Venezuela and the oil there appears to be very limited, or is it that you simply support the Commies voiding contracts and seizing the means of production?

 

[Hdfi]

You say that almost as well as the Radical Muslim mullahs from Iran.

Your knowledge of Venezuela and the oil there appears to be very limited, or is it that you simply support the Commies voiding contracts and seizing the means of production?

What commies? Stop invading sovereign countries and stealing their oil, you infectious disease.

 

[SurferH2O]

What commies? Stop invading sovereign countries and stealing their oil, you infectious disease.

What Commies? Have you ever heard of Hugo Chavez or Nicolas Maduro?

Also, what country do you live in?