Opinion What do you think of white nationalism?

[Guestx]

You are seriously considering the possibilities surrounding this. Just completely delusional.

I am having a serious discussion, but that doesn't mean that I think the reality of an all-white nation is particularly attainable or practical.

 

[7437]

It could get complicated, yeah. For instance, most WN people wouldn't consider the Jews white, when clearly they have white skin. I know some people have even challenged the notion that Italians are white.

As for citizens with mixed race children, that's an interesting question. My guess is that, in the eyes of the WN community, the fact that a white person bred with a non-white person would disqualify them from citizenship in the new white nation.

Sounds about right. I was more talking about someone who is already a citizen having a mixed kid though.

I assume jews would not be allowed because " Da Jooz". Someone like Marco rubio or Ted Cruz would be an intersting question too.

 

[spin]

There term white itself is a forced homogenation of several cultures that happen to share pigmentation.

So that's a silly point

 

[Guestx]

"Common culture", isn't racial nationalism then. Having a preference for people that look like you isn't the same as wanting to exclude people that don't. That's inherent in racial nationalism.

I think that, even though it's not an absolute rule, cultures often tend to divide along color lines. Black people, Latino people, Arab people, Indian people, Asian people etc all tend to have a lot of cultural similarities with each other that are not shared by white cultures that are either European or of European descent.

 

[Undying Poster]

I can't argue with this.

It's kind of like I said earlier in the thread, to be PRO your own group doesn't mean you have to be ANTI some other group.

It's a subtle difference, but there's a difference.

I've found this to only ever be true on paper. Everyone I've ever known to be pro-[ethnicgroup/race/religion] always harbors negative feelings towards other groups. Without exception. White, black, asian, Muslim, Jewish, whatever. You may point to yourself and say "Well, I'm proud to be White and I don't hate other groups" but I'm talking about people that are outwardly pro-whatever their group. Whites are an obvious one. Black power types all harbor resentment towards whites. Religious Jews, whatever.

I don't think people should abandon their identities or not be proud of it, especially since some groups are superior and need to be preserved, I just think it should be really casual.

 

[Guestx]

Sounds about right. I was more talking about someone who is already a citizen having a mixed kid though.

So someone who is a citizen of the white nation has a kid with a non-white person? My guess is they get ousted for being a "traitor to their race" (a phrase I've seen bandied about a few times).

 

[Ruprecht]

I think that, even though it's not an absolute rule, cultures often tend to divide along color lines. Black people, Latino people, Arab people, Indian people, Asian people etc all tend to have a lot of cultural similarities with each other that are not shared by white cultures that are either European or of European descent.

No, people are divided by language over colour. There is no such thing as "white culture" or "black culture", except in the sense that "black culture" means the African-American subculture.
To go back to your "icecream". Plenty of people always order the same flavour of ice cream whenever they go to the store, but only an arsehole would try to make it so the store only sold that flavour. That's more than just "preference".

 

[Guestx]

I've found this to only ever be true on paper. Everyone I've ever known to be pro-[ethnicgroup/race/religion] always harbors negative feelings towards other groups.

Sure, but I think often times those negative feelings aren't literally about a person being a certain race, but rather because of traits and qualities that can be statistically linked to large portions of people of that race. For instance, it's a well-known fact that cities with this highest percentages of black residents also tend to have the highest crime rates. So one might begin to harbor some negative feelings, in a general sense, toward the black community. But that's not really about skin color.

Referring to skin color, I think, is often shorthand for referring to a collection of behaviors.

 

[7437]

So someone who is a citizen of the white nation has a kid with a non-white person? My guess is they get ousted for being a "traitor to their race" (a phrase I've seen bandied about a few times).

I would think the same thing. Its a lot of why i dont think that white nationalism is based on a belief that races are equal. Its just common racism with a thin facade.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

Would you go to the Congo, and tell the Congolese people that "The idea of this being you and your children's land, without others come in in and occupying large parts of your country, ignoring your culture,well it's a dumb fantasy. You can't have that here, you don't deserve it."

No disrespect, but I have no idea what you just said, specifically the underlined part. Regardless, I still don't see how any of that has to do with the delusion of a geographical area being set aside for a white nation. I understand it might seem possible when you're always talking to others that also think it's possible, but outside of that bubble, it's nothing.

 

[Guestx]

I would think the same thing. Its a lot of why i dont think that white nationalism is based on a belief that races are equal. Its just common racism with a thin facade.

There's definitely a lot of pure, overt racism in the WN community. That's why I wish there was more effort by the non-supremacist elements of the WN movement to distance themselves and condemn the supremacist elements. As long as the white nationalism and white supremacy remain so closely linked, even though technically they are separate, the WN movement will make no headway and receive nothing but social condemnation.

With that said, if you're a WN who is concerned about the preservation of the white race, there is some obvious logic behind frowning upon inter-breeding. It's certainly counter to the goals that are trying to be attained.

 

[7437]

There's definitely a lot of pure, overt racism in the WN community. That's why I wish there was more effort by the non-supremacist elements of the WN movement to distance themselves and condemn the supremacist elements. As long as the white nationalism and white supremacy remain so closely linked, even though technically they are separate, the WN movement will make no headway and receive nothing but social condemnation.

How many white nationalists that are not also supremacists do you think actually exist? Like 5? I dont think there is enough to co sider them a seperate ideology.

 

[Rod1]

If a white person and a black person have a child together, is that child really white OR black? You can argue genetic technicalities all you want, but on a practical level that's not really the way it works.

Depends on the genes that get passed out, specially after several generations.

 

[panamaican]

I think that, even though it's not an absolute rule, cultures often tend to divide along color lines. Black people, Latino people, Arab people, Indian people, Asian people etc all tend to have a lot of cultural similarities with each other that are not shared by white cultures that are either European or of European descent.

See, here is where you're wrong.

If you ask Black, Latino, Arab, Indian and Asian people they wouldn't group themselves as broadly as, no disrespect intended, white people do. Black Hispanics don't see themselves as culturally similar to Africans or West Indians and none of them think they share a culture with African Americans. Mexicans don't see themselves as culturally that similar to Cubans. Indians see their cultures extremely different just within the nation of India and long before you get into Bangladesh and Pakistan (all 3 used to be a single nation). Tell the Chinese that they're culturally like the Japanese or the Thai and they'll quickly explain how you're wrong.

White America has lumped these extremely diverse cultures together by pigment and then ignored those people when they said "We're not that similar culturally just because we look kind of similar."

There isn't even a universal European culture that could serve as a foundation for a single nation.

I don't have a problem with white nationalism but let's not confuse it with more reasonable groups. White nationalists don't even want the full range of Caucasian cultural groups included in their personal definition of "white".

 

[WorldofWarcraft]

White girls are the hottest girls

 

[Gutter Chris]

But I think for others, it's kind of like, "I like vanilla ice cream more than chocolate. That's just my preference. Doesn't mean that chocolate is objectively a lesser ice cream, it just means that I don't get into it."

To only eat the kind of ice cream you like is a possibility the ability to only be around people just like you and only just like you at all times is not .

 

[Deleted member 196663]

There's definitely a lot of pure, overt racism in the WN community. That's why I wish there was more effort by the non-supremacist elements of the WN movement to distance themselves and condemn the supremacist elements. As long as the white nationalism and white supremacy remain so closely linked, even though technically they are separate, the WN movement will make no headway and receive nothing but social condemnation.

I have some good news for you. The white supremacists aren't holding back the white nationalists from making headway.

 

[Rod1]

White girls are the hottest girls

Caribbean girls you mean.

 

[Guestx]

How many white nationalists that are not also supremacists do you think actually exist? Like 5? I dont think there is enough to co sider them a seperate ideology.

I've actually wondered this. I've seen plenty of cases, like on WN forums and the like, where someone will say something along the lines of "When did you realize you were a white supremacist?" and some members will be vocal that they are not white supremacists. But I will say this: Even though some say that they're not, they don't seem particularly bothered that others are and they're content to co-exist with the hardline supremacist types.

But yeah, I dunno how many are serious about the distinction. Not enough, honestly.

Here's an interesting excerpt from this FAQ that I found:

1. Q. What is White Nationalism?

A. The idea that Whites may need to create a separate nation as a means of defending themselves.

2. Q. Do White Nationalists feel they are superior to other races?

A. No. The desire of White Nationalists to form their own nation has nothing to do with superiority or inferiority.

3. Q. Do White Nationalists seek to dominate other races?

A. Not at all. In fact, formation of a White Nation removes any possibility of White dominance of other races, as well as the plausibility of the accusation that Whites wish to dominate others.

4. Q. Do White Nationalists seek to insulate themselves from competition from other races?

A. No. A separate White Nation would establish a policy of free trade with its new neighbors. Labor markets are global, and the formation of a White Nation would not protect Whites from economic competition.

5. Q. Well if White Nationalists don't feel superior, don't want to dominate others, and don't seek protection from competition, then why would they want a separate nation?

A. To avoid exploitation.

So like I said I said in the OP, on paper at least the goals of the WN movement seem reasonable. But they really do need to live up to words of their own literature and get rid of the supremacy rhetoric and those who insist on it.

 

[Amerikuracana]

No disrespect, but I have no idea what you just said, specifically the underlined part. Regardless, I still don't see how any of that has to do with the delusion of a geographical area being set aside for a white nation. I understand it might seem possible when you're always talking to others that also think it's possible, but outside of that bubble, it's nothing.

It's the way it "saves drafts" now.. On the computers and phones I use it freezes and cuts off words. Sometimes I forget to check. Sorry.