Opinion What do you think of white nationalism?

[SouthoftheAndes]

Which people align themselves on race rather than other differences?

Who are the non-white racial nationalists?

Arabs have it. Look to North Africa and the Middle East. East Asians don't have it but they have like Chinese nationalism, Japanese, Korean etc.

Arabs are p4p racists and in places like Saudi Arabia it gets more intense with laws that favor Arab Saudi Citizens over every other group.

 

[Rod1]

Arabs have it. Look to North Africa and the Middle East. East Asians don't have it but they have like Chinese nationalism, Japanese, Korean etc.

Arabs are p4p racists and in places like Saudi Arabia it gets more intense with laws that favor Arab Saudi Citizens over every other group.

Arab is an ethnicity not a race.

 

[Guestx]

So because slave descendants in America have created their own racial organizations with national ambitions then all "white people" in the world ought to look for a some sort of federal union of global proportions?

I dont think thats happening anytime soon.

I don't think that has anything to do with it. If white people were to pursue such solidarity, I don't think black nationalist groups would be any sort of impetus. It would have a lot more to do with bringing together people of European descent who share a similar cultural outlook. It would also have a lot to do with preserving the white race so that in a thousand years it still exists.

 

[Ruprecht]

Which people align themselves on race rather than other differences?

Who are the non-white racial nationalists?

Nation of Islam are essentially Black Nationalists.
Weren't they trying to link that recent cop killer to a bunch of "soveriegn citizen" style, black nationalist kooks?

 

[Rod1]

I don't think that has anything to do with it. If white people were to pursue such solidarity, I don't think black nationalist groups would be any sort of impetus. It would have a lot more to do with bringing together people of European descent who share a similar cultural outlook. It would also have a lot to do with preserving the white race so that in a thousand years it still exists.

Like the European Union, completely incompatible with nationalism.

Why do you think white people will go extinct 1000 years from now?

 

[Guestx]

Nation of Islam are essentially Black Nationalists.
Weren't they trying to link that recent cop killer to a bunch of "soveriegn citizen" style, black nationalist kooks?

Nation of Islam also came to mind when I thought of Black Nationalism, and even more than that, they cross the line into black supremacy with the hilarious story of Yakub:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)

 

[7437]

Mmm, I don't claim to be about white nationalism, but I do think that we as a race need to champion ourselves in the same way that other races do. Like I said earlier, I don't think that to be pro your own group means you have to be anti-other groups.

In regard to "coming together as people," I don't think that has to be geographically. I was more speaking along the lines of coming together in cooperation.

I remember once hearing a presentation on the WN movement and the guy giving it said that people of other races would still be welcome to come and visit via a Visa system and there would still be cultural exchanges. It would just be that for residency you would have to be white.

That didn't sound unreasonable to me.

I think that woulf have serious problems. Like who you define as " White". Or what to do with citizens who have mixed children.

 

[Guestx]

Like the European Union, completely incompatible with nationalism.

Incompatible how?

Why do you think white people will go extinct 1000 years from now?

Because of the massive amount of breeding within non-white cultures, we're going to become more and more of a minority. Compare that with inter-breeding and marrying and basically I think we're just going to get swallowed up.

 

[Rod1]

Incompatible how?

Because of the massive amount of breeding within non-white cultures, we're going to become more and more of a minority. Compare that with inter-breeding and marrying and basically I think we're just going to get swallowed up.

1.- Because you start mixing different people from different nations which will dilute the older nations.

2.- I dont think you know how genetics work, the only way for whites to truly disappear is to stop breeding, not by interbreeding.

 

[Guestx]

I think that woulf have serious problems. Like who you define as " White". Or what to do with citizens who have mixed children.

It could get complicated, yeah. For instance, most WN people wouldn't consider the Jews white, when clearly they have white skin. I know some people have even challenged the notion that Italians are white.

As for citizens with mixed race children, that's an interesting question. My guess is that, in the eyes of the WN community, the fact that a white person bred with a non-white person would disqualify them from citizenship in the new white nation.

 

[Ruprecht]

Nation of Islam also came to mind when I thought of Black Nationalism, and even more than that, they cross the line into black supremacy with the hilarious story of Yakub:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)

All so called "race nationalists" preach hate and supremacy. The "separate but equal" idea couldn't possibly ring more hollow than when it echoes out of their vacuous skulls.
It'd make things quicker and easier if they just tattooed "I'm an arsehole" on their foreheads, rather than go through all the protestations of innocence about their "love of true diversity" etc.

 

[Guestx]

2.- I dont think you know how genetics work, the only way for whites to truly disappear is to stop breeding, not by interbreeding.

If a white person and a black person have a child together, is that child really white OR black? You can argue genetic technicalities all you want, but on a practical level that's not really the way it works.

 

[Guestx]

All so called "race nationalists" preach hate and supremacy. The "separate but equal" idea couldn't possibly ring more hollow than when it echoes out of their vacuous skulls.

It'd make things quicker and easier if they just tattooed "I'm an arsehole" on their foreheads, rather than go through all the protestations of innocence about their "love of true diversity" etc.

I don't agree with that. I think that there really are people out there who have a preference for people who look like them and share a common culture, but that doesn't mean that they think their race is objectively superior.

 

[Gutter Chris]

I don't agree with that. I think that there really are people out there who have a preference for people who look like them and share a common culture, but that doesn't mean that they think their race is objectively superior.

I would guess that is exactly what they think or they wouldnt feel that way in the first place.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Some of Europe needs to be preserved. I would say the same thing for a similar size area in Africa, and for Asia. I mean, everybody just assumes The Middle East is for Arabs, right? Everybody who wants one, and who has earned one, deserves a homeland. America is a melting pot, that's just the facts. I can deal with it, and so can you. Do whites get any respect for creating this thing here? Naw, and they probably should. But it is what it is. Again, some of Europe needs to stay European.. Or at least it should. You know who would probably agree with that simple premise? Africans in Africa. Pretty sure they would see it as common sense. Pretty sure they like having a homeland too.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

Damn bro, why the hostility?

First off, intellectual exercises ARE often based on imaginary scenarios, so not really sure what you're getting at there.

Second, actual sovereign nationhood will probably never happen, but the REALITY is that some WN groups have taken steps to take over areas and towns of the United States to carve out places for themselves, even if those places were still officially part of the American nation.

For instance, many White Nationalists have made a concerted effort to move as a group to areas of the West and Northwest, especially Montana which is still relatively unpopulated. Or consider the case of Craig Cobb and his group--who really could be better described as White Supremacists than White Nationalists--who began buying up property in Leith, North Dakota and who was almost successful in taking over the town.

The reality is that having a geographical area to build a "white nation" is a dumb fantasy. And pretending you are making any strides towards that goal by just owning a house next to other like-minded people is ridiculous. And by the way, this isn't an intellectual exercise for you, so let's not play dumb. You are seriously considering the possibilities surrounding this. Just completely delusional.

 

[Amerikuracana]

I think you will eventually find that it is in the "white man's" interest to get rid of racial thinking altogether. The biggest threat to stability is if the minorities start forming collectives based on race instead of intellectual ideas, and that we once again turn the human world into a mere, primitive biological competition between races and nationalities.

This also means that movements such as "Black Lives Matter" need to be eradicated as well, to avoid any sort of hypocrisy on the matter. Once everybody is on the same page regarding their race, that it is not of primary importance, we can all move on. The white man, the black man and the Asian man, all need to give up on the idea that it is their race which defines them.

Funny thing? Germans assimilate the best wherever they go. They get it. It's everybody else that has a tough time, and then blame the ones that go with the flow and assimilate properly.

 

[Ruprecht]

I don't agree with that. I think that there really are people out there who have a preference for people who look like them and share a common culture, but that doesn't mean that they think their race is objectively superior.

"Common culture", isn't racial nationalism then. Having a preference for people that look like you isn't the same as wanting to exclude people that don't. That's inherent in racial nationalism. Even the supposedly "intellectual" spokesmen for these groups, trying their hardest not to just be another bigoted malcontent, expose themselves for what they are. Repeatedly.

 

[Amerikuracana]

The reality is that having a geographical area to build a "white nation" is a dumb fantasy. And pretending you are making any strides towards that goal by just owning a house next to other like-minded people is ridiculous. And by the way, this isn't an intellectual exercise for you, so let's not play dumb. You are seriously considering the possibilities surrounding this. Just completely delusional.

Would you go to the Congo, and tell the Congolese people that "The idea of this being you and your children's land, well it's a dumb fantasy. You can't have that here, because you don't deserve it. You simply have to let anybody that wants to come here, come here, and you cannot expect them to assimilate to your ways or culture."

 

[Guestx]

I would guess that is exactly what they think or they wouldnt feel that way in the first place.

I think some definitely feel that way.

But I think for others, it's kind of like, "I like vanilla ice cream more than chocolate. That's just my preference. Doesn't mean that chocolate is objectively a lesser ice cream, it just means that I don't get into it."

Or let's bring it back around to myself: As a general rule, I tend to think that white females are more attractive than, say, black females or latinas. That doesn't mean that I think white females are objectively superior humans, though.