Opinion War Room Government Shutdown over/under predictions

[N13]

You know what I said about the sitting government not having enough votes is true, right?

Here it is again for reference.

"This situation is similar (though only in certain ways) in that when the sitting government doesn't have the votes to pass any given piece of legislation, the onus is on them to negotiate with the opposition or scrap it altogether. In any other relatively normal country, refusing to negotiate would result in a vote of no-confidence and trigger an election immediately. Instead, the American solution is to shut everything down entirely and idiotically turn the running of the nation into a game of cat and mouse.

Your post is equivalent to: "Logic? What in the actual fuck is that?"

Be honest with me; are you trolling?

I'm wasting time while waiting for the Sixers game at 7:30.

Here is what I think will happen: The dems are going to keep the government shut down. SNAP benefits will end. Then Trump will make the funds available (maybe tariff money) to save the program for 42 million citizens. Then a vote will happen. Will the democrats vote to fund SNAP?

I hope they do.

 

[MetalMilitia]

It's about the consequences of backing down to bullies.

I get it.

At some point here -- principle without compassion just becomes another form of cruelty -- whatever side you want to spin it from is up to you.

 

[N13]

If the tables were turned and the Democrats needed 8 Republican Senator votes to open the government, who would the democrats blame if no Republicans voted their way?

@Andy Capp
@Strychnine

Edit: And what if the Republicans demanded 1.5 trillion in spending on their pet projects to get those 8 votes?

 

[Stoic1]

The GOP passed the LARGEST cuts to SNAP benefits ever and now they're keeping the government shut to deny millions of Americans healthcare support.

We have a car with a Republican driver, a Republican engine, and a Republican filled gas tank. But it's the Democrat locked inside the trunk that's stopping the car.




"But it's not a cult..."

Are you familiar with the Filibuster and Cloture rules?

A better analogy is the Republican wants to drive to work, but the Democrat is acting like a child and sitting on the windshield throwing a tantrum.

 

[Andy Capp]

I get it.

At some point here -- principle without compassion just becomes another form of cruelty -- whatever side you want to spin it from is up to you.

Do you know why little kids pick their nose and eat it? They think it's candy but it's not. The Republicans have decided to play chicken. There's the cruelty. If the Dems cave here (as they've already done on other occasions) the Republicans will be assured there's no limit to the scumfuckery they can inflict on the American people.

 

[avenue94]

Both parties share blame -- (R) for weaponizing it and playing their shitty "hardball" -- and (D) for digging in -- and "sheer fucking hubris" (thanks critical drinker, always stuck in my head)

I don't even think the shutdown is about principle anymore -- it’s about power -- and the public pays while both sides play a fucking posture / save face game.

I just want an amicable solution that works "for the people" -- I was helping a bit at the food bank yesterday, and we were already issuing warnings about shortcomings and reducing what can be distributed with the new timeframe (quantity wise and how many slots per day) -- the amount of stress is palpable... so something has to give.

Super interesting fun fact -- Bezos or Zuckerberg could fully fund SNAP for 2 year and still have $35-50 billion dollars to play with leftover...

What do you think the Republicans would have to offer to peal off 10 Democratic votes in the Senate?

 

[Andy Capp]

If the tables were turned and the Democrats needed 8 Republican Senator votes to open the government, who would the democrats blame if no Republicans voted their way?

@Andy Capp
@Strychnine

Edit: And what if the Republicans demanded 1.5 trillion in spending on their pet projects to get those 8 votes?

When did your reasoning become so poor? This is not about who would be blamed by the Republicans or Democrats in the legislature; it's about whom The People should blame for THIS shutdown. Just stop with the strawmen already.

Re: the bold, dealing with that via compromise is what negotiations are for, aren't they?

 

[N13]

What do you think the Republicans would have to offer to peal off 10 Democratic votes in the Senate?

Nothing

 

[N13]

When did your reasoning become so poor? This is not about who would be blamed by the Republicans or Democrats in the legislature; it's about whom The People should blame for THIS shutdown. Just stop with the strawmen already.

Re: the bold, dealing with that via compromise is what negotiations are for, aren't they?

42 million people depend on SNAP and about 85% of them are democrat voters. I wonder how many are going to vote with their bellies?

 

[heloder]

42 million people depend on SNAP and about 85% of them are democrat voters.

[Citation needed]

 

[avenue94]

Nothing

So you don't think there's anything the GOP could offer to get Democrats to vote with them?

You're delusional if you think that.

 

[avenue94]

42 million people depend on SNAP and about 85% of them are democrat voters. I wonder how many are going to vote with their bellies?

Children are 40 percent of SNAP recipients, since when do children vote?

 

[N13]

[Citation needed]

Why can't you do your own research and prove me wrong?

 

[N13]

Children are 40 percent of SNAP recipients, since when do children vote?

All of them have parents that can vote.

 

[N13]

So you don't think there's anything the GOP could offer to get Democrats to vote with them?

You're delusional if you think that.

I don't think that. Sure, the dems would vote for it if they get all kinds of $$$ for their projects.

I believe that the Republicans won't do this.

 

[heloder]

Why can't you do your own research and prove me wrong?

(Because the burden of proof is on the one making the claim.)

Also, I heard the only way you can get off is if you beat a woman up and then spread peanut butter on your nuts so a St. Bernard will lick them clean.

Unless you can prove these allegations wrong, I guess that means they're true, right?

 

[avenue94]

All of them have parents that can vote.

So if 60% of 42 million SNAP recipients can't vote, how can 85% of those 42 million people be democratic voters?

I don't think that. Sure, the dems would vote for it if they get all kinds of $$$ for their projects.

I believe that the Republicans won't do this.

About three-quarters of Americans (including the majority of Republicans) want ACA premiums to be extended. It'd be a win win for the GOP, they give Democrats what they want and they also give their constituents what they want.

Why can't the GOP go down that road?

 

[N13]

(Because the burden of proof is on the one making the claim.)

Also, I heard the only way you can get off is if you beat a woman up and then spread peanut butter on your nuts so a St. Bernard will lick them clean.

Unless you can prove these allegations wrong, I guess that means they're true, right?

Says you.

42 million people on SNAP is a well known fact.

So the question is, what percentage of poor people are democrat voters?

From PEW research:

Partisanship by income groups​

Democrats have a substantial advantage over Republicans among voters in the lowest income tier, and a modest advantage among those at the highest income tier:

• About six-in-ten voters with lower family incomes (58%) associate with the Democratic Party, compared with 36% who affiliate with the Republican Party.

 

[N13]

So if 60% of 42 million SNAP recipients can't vote, how can 85% of those 42 million people be democratic voters?

About three-quarters of Americans (including the majority of Republicans) want ACA premiums to be extended. It'd be a win win for the GOP, they give Democrats what they want and they also give their constituents what they want.

Why can't the GOP go down that road?

I have to give credit where credit is due. You got me on the 85% of 42 million. But my point still remains with your correction.

I think Those subsidies will be extended, but not as a part of the shutdown. Probably by 6 months to give Congress time to fix a broken system.

 

[heloder]

Says you.

You have absolutely no idea how stupid you sound here, and I find that endlessly amusing.

The burden of proof being on the person making the claim isn't a "me" thing. It's an "almost every political, legal, and philosophical scholar in the history of our species" thing.



God this forum makes me laugh.

Edit - I will add that you did admit that the 85% thing was bullshit, though, and that's more than what the vast majority of the other MAGA people on this forum would do. So kudos.