Opinion War Room Government Shutdown over/under predictions
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Apparently SNAP is only important during shutdowns, not when the GOP is kicking millions off of it during spending bill negotiations.
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Not Americans. Just morons playing sides -- nothing new here... I wish I had better numbers, but speculative it's something like this out of the 41,000,000+ people on SNAP:
Democraps: 55–60 % ~23–25 million?
Butt-plugglicans: 25–30 % ~10–12 million?
Indeps: 10–15 % ~4–6 million?
Well, if you think my numbers are vastly off -- then by all means, shred 'em. Otherwise ya just took a shit on 14-18 million people that are right/independent that use SNAP, need supplemental help, and likely want to work across party lines to get shit done....
Look, neither main "party" enters this phase coming across as winners... but BOTH sides, fuck yer left + right staunch stances are playing with peoples livelihood over 'appearance'. Get the shit done with amicable terms, but I assume all of what I said is incorrect from that far far left stance. The backlash on both parties has arrived (wow, who could have seen this coming)
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Already tiktok and viral vid compilations of people saying "omg cut off food stamps, ima be ROBBIN' that mothafuckin' walmart!!!"
Interesting take, almost like they could have had a protest or something last weekend that would have made a massive statement or something -- but nah, now that the cutoff is coming and threatened, we will see the entitlement/criminals (alongside the families that ACTUALLY need it) working side by side, uniting under a common goal
These people arent seeking help from food shelters, asking to help or work with community, trying to find alternative help -- or even suggesting political sides work together. They are literally posting all over saying "I AM GOING TO ROB THIS STORE, DONT TRY TO STOP ME" clear as fucking day as a response.
... not just rob... but going on to say "try to stop me and I will commit violence"....
Okie dokie
"I WANT MY EBT I WANT MY EBT" -- Y'all TAX PAYERS WORK FOR ME ... heh... these videos are insane
So maybe it will become clear (from a certain perspective) there are in fact some able bodied workers that need to be working in some of these cases, eh?
No, too much of a harsh reality?
Cultivating dependency and weaponizing it -- this shutdown is about to show true colors.
Interesting take, almost like they could have had a protest or something last weekend that would have made a massive statement or something -- but nah, now that the cutoff is coming and threatened, we will see the entitlement/criminals (alongside the families that ACTUALLY need it) working side by side, uniting under a common goal
These people arent seeking help from food shelters, asking to help or work with community, trying to find alternative help -- or even suggesting political sides work together. They are literally posting all over saying "I AM GOING TO ROB THIS STORE, DONT TRY TO STOP ME" clear as fucking day as a response.
... not just rob... but going on to say "try to stop me and I will commit violence"....
Okie dokie
"I WANT MY EBT I WANT MY EBT" -- Y'all TAX PAYERS WORK FOR ME ... heh... these videos are insane
So maybe it will become clear (from a certain perspective) there are in fact some able bodied workers that need to be working in some of these cases, eh?
No, too much of a harsh reality?
Cultivating dependency and weaponizing it -- this shutdown is about to show true colors.
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And how did you arrive at this math? I also didn't realize infants and children had political identifications.
I'm pointing out its crocodile tears given that the GOP spending bill kicked millions of people off SNAP and by extension WIC.
I personally would like SNAP and WIC to be continued, if not strengthened, just as I would like health insurance premiums of those least able to afford it to not sky rocket.
Face it, the GOP has had almost 20 years to come up with a replacement for the ACA, and they're nowhere close. But somehow we're supposed to believe they have a plan besides let them eat cake for health insurance.
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- Speculative and racist math of course -- ( PEW )
- County data shows that something like 75% of US counties with increasing SNAP participation from 2010 to 2022 voted for Donald Trump in 2020 -- ( LINK )
- Trends and general -- which is why I tagged it SPECULATIVE. I don't know, but I don't think my numbers are grossly misrepresenting the narrative.
- Kids are counted as individuals in the program -- and yup, I lumped them in with their parent/guardian in the "calcutations" -- if using 2/3 democrap and 1/3 resucklican is easier numbers to appease the speculation, then whatever.
- I'm not sure if it would be good to raise or lower the speculative numbers or what side or groups would want more or less represented? I mean it's 41,000,000 AMERICANS (in theory lol)
Yup, 100% agree especially with retirement age folks literally not having reliable means of support... but as I'm typing this out, literally ; tiktok and social media is getting lit up with people (clearly) bitching about getting cut off (of SNAP) -- and rather than spending any time advocating for amicable resolutions to the shutdown, they are IMMEDIATELY........
... saying outright "I am going to rob walmart" -- "dont get in my way" -- "you will get hurt" -- "Im leaving with my 2 carts" -- which also suggests to me, that some of these lunatics might be "able bodied" and should be working, rather than sucking the gov't tit. (Per the silly (R) request lol)
Meanwhile I'm lookin' at friday, with the food shelter, and other services -- trying to backup in case of a failure risk when people come crashing in (our sign up sheet just literally filled for 2+ weeks out, all days all time slots) -- which is great, but man-o-man, even some of them don't say "thank you" and are entitled as well -- having to "lower" themselves to go and do such a thing... I guess the point is, some are entitled and geting SNAP that probably SHOULDN'T and that's what (Rtards) are so adamant about -- does it disrupt shit to request able bodied work if possible?
Which is kinda why politics be damned with me, just tryna point out that 41mil people (in general) are now bargaining chips -- and yes, dems probably have a lot more to lose the longer this shutdown shit goes on.... but both sides are now faced with the reality -- and handling the resolution without looting and violence is already threatened before anything has actually happened.....
... cause right now I'm seeing a "HOLY FUCK THEY CANT CUT ME OFF" response, with LITERAL threats of violence and theft recorded and uploaded all day
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And what is the significance of this information, assuming we can tie it all together? What are we supposed to do with it vis a vis policy and governance?
- Speculative and racist math of course
- County data shows that something like 75% of US counties with increasing SNAP participation from 2010 to 2022 voted for Donald Trump in 2020 -- ( LINK )
- Trends and general -- which is why I tagged it SPECULATIVE. I don't know, but I don't think my numbers are grossly misrepresenting the narrative.
- Kids are counted as individuals in the program -- and yup, I lumped them in with their parent/guardian in the "calcutations" -- if using 2/3 democrap and 1/3 resucklican is easier numbers to appease the speculation, then whatever.
- I'm not sure if it would be good to raise or lower the speculative numbers or what side or groups would want more or less represented? I mean it's 41,000,000 AMERICANS (in theory lol)
I personally wouldn't recommend making national policy off of snippets of TikTok that's meant to give you the context you like so you keep watching.
Here's the part that you and Republicans always elide: Any welfare program will have fraud, the question is does it deliver enough aid to those in need with acceptable levels of fraud. The answer is usually closer to yes, because attempting to crack down further will get people who need aid kicked off the program. If you want to reduce fraud further, fine, but that comes with thousands or millions of those in need losing access.
If the GOP cares so much of these folks on SNAP, why did they reduce federal funding for it and pass changes that kick off hundreds of thousands of Americans who need it?
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It's 41,000,000 in the same boat. That's all the numbers show (from my little dive into the patterns and trends and usage of SNAP) -- just trying to remind people of the scale, regardless of party of blind affiliation.
I don't have to really explain the (R) side of things but I'll just go with the logic flow here. Their points are that it's too expensive (I say it's not, and that's LAUGHABLE) -- not with what (the US) spends on war/foreign aid/private jets/illegals in the programs/spectacle/and outright DUMPSTER FIRE levels of WASTE. The next point being that....
...work requirements need to be met. I don't disagree with that second part entirely. How that is handled needs to be more case by case -- as I think the only stipulation for SNAP (from my understanding) is that you have to report something like if you make more than $XXXX/mo. Disclosure -- I don't get SNAP, I work with a lot of people who do -- I'm on medical/PSN/mobility/neuropathy -- most of my involvement with all of this stems from supporting the local foodbank/charity with my time and organization to help people get through rough shit. (such as perhaps what is about to come, if neither side can fuckin' reach agreement) -- Able bodied adults should be meeting certain work requirements -- or volunteering (personal opinion, and a help thy neighbor mentality). I don't even think that's an (R) stance, I think they system needs to clarify a bit with freeloading activity. "Well, OMG -- WHO IS GOIN TO DO ALL THAT" -- Don't know, but take some of what the overall gov shits out in waste and make it work lol. Both sides love throwing money at shit, maybe there's a happy balance somewhere in there.
The next part is fraud and inefficiency -- it can’t be tolerated just because a program helps people. Brutally harsh to phrase it that way, but let me put it this way : Every fuckin' fraud dollar really does undermine public trust and diverts funds from truly needy families/children/disabilities/eligible/requirements met types as a whole... so it's not insane to want to make changes. Do I think (R) has the best intentions for Americans in mind with those changes? Well, fuck no.
However, my opinion is that the goal isn’t to end aid (like many fearmongers are blasting out there) -- it’s to ensure accountability so taxpayer money (lol, they love using that) can goto those that qualify. Now what that is, I don't know -- but it's blatantly obvious there is abuse in the system. In a perfect scenario, able body people work if and when possible -- if not, yer at least showing initiative towards it -- which is clearly not the case for some of the super-entitled popping up in the news + social media today. No, I don't give a shit about what social media says -- but you literally have hundreds of these self-made videos popping up with people DEMANDING that they get their SNAP -- and saying "fuck work". Don't seem right to me.
Hell, I (again, personally) think removing soda/candy/non-essential junk people can snag for SNAP would even be a good start. I mean you could literally get what... $200/mo or something for an individual, and buy $200 worth of chewing gum and monster energy drink? Sorry to the companies that sell the stuff, but it should be bulk foods, sustainable foods etc in a hell of a lot more cases -- as opposed to using SNAP to get absolute junk.
Anyways -- without SOME KINDA oversight, the "safety net" becomes far less sustainable -- and I agree that patterns of fraud and misuse are rampant.
TLDR ; Both sides are complacent in this mess.... The GOP argument is that endless dependence traps people in poverty (it does) and that having no work eligibilty requirements leads to FRAUD. In a happy world, reform aint cruelty -- it's literal course correction to keep shit viable. They are full of shit on it costing "too much", and are looking too short-term.
For me -- go hybrid funding -- don't make it one size fits all and hand it out without some basic requirements. I know, that's fuckin HARSH, but it's the easiest step to counter FRAUD. Fed oversight/state flex -- real time banking + accounts + verificaiton + require work (and/or volunteer work for able body) + exempt cargivers + medical + make it ALL COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT EVERY ... SINGLE... FUCKING .... SPENDING... MONTH.
Simple, see
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People = one guy lol and it's fucking Fetterman of course
I honestly don't know what someone is supposed to take away from your essay.TLDR ; Both sides are complacent in this mess.... The GOP argument is that endless dependence traps people in poverty (it does) and that having no work eligibilty requirements leads to FRAUD. In a happy world, reform aint cruelty -- it's literal course correction to keep shit viable. They are full of shit on it costing "too much", and are looking too short-term.
For me -- go hybrid funding -- don't make it one size fits all and hand it out without some basic requirements. I know, that's fuckin HARSH, but it's the easiest step to counter FRAUD. Fed oversight/state flex -- real time banking + accounts + verificaiton + require work (and/or volunteer work for able body) + exempt cargivers + medical + make it ALL COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT EVERY ... SINGLE... FUCKING .... SPENDING... MONTH.
Simple, see
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I know it’s hard for you to know what’s going on Catherine Masto (D-NV) also, Jared Golden (D-ME)
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Trump's health plan has been a couple of weeks away for almost a decade.
Just like his tax returns.
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Yeah this has been a bizarre one that these dipshits have been championing.
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Republicans to cave in shutdown battle with plan to extend deadline
Senate Republicans are reportedly set to cave in their government shutdown battle with Democrats and extend the current government spending level through December 2026.
Senate Republicans are reportedly set to cave in their government shutdown battle with Democrats and extend the current government spending level through December 2026.
Republicans are reportedly saying that funding a stopgap through November 21 will be the only way to end the government shutdown, which has entered its third week and shows no signs of stopping. The shutdown started on October 1 when Senate Democrats failed to pass the House-passed “clean” continuing resolution.
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We gettin close to the moron arguing parents (parties) getting shit done?
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The shutdown might result in the Republicans winning the governor races in New Jersey and Virginia.
Mamdani is going to win NYC. That gives the people about a year before the midterm elections to see what happens when a democratic socialist runs a big city.
Mamdani is going to win NYC. That gives the people about a year before the midterm elections to see what happens when a democratic socialist runs a big city.
