Wanderlei Silva gets lifetime ban

[countswagula]

See fig.1

A press conference is not a legally binding contract.

 

[JBJ was here]

From the link provided above:

NRS 467.080.3: "The Commission may deny an application for such a license or grant a limited, restricted or conditional license for any cause deemed sufficient by the Commission."

The only question is whether the commission can collect the $70,000 if Silva decides never to apply to have the commission reexamine their decision. Maybe, maybe not. But they can deny a license for pretty much any plausible reason, and they can place a $70,000 condition on a license for pretty much any plausible reason as well. If Wanderlei wants to fight again in the States he's going to have to wait at least a year, cough up $70,000, and agree to whatever testing regimen and other limitations the NSAC decides are necessary to revoke the ban.

 

[Chubz]

What a sad way to end your career.

 

[rorymachidonald]

Joke of a comission

 

[Boom_Ba_Ye]

Bomm ba yee (whatever) is full of shit. Wand had just finished the pre fight press conference for UFC 175 (vegas) so he was going to fight in Nevada.

You are right on that. Therefore he must have signed the bout agreement, but the rumor at the time is that he still hadn't signed it. Chael called him out on it multiple times.

 

[Joe]

sherdog lawyers at their best itt, haha

 

[Captain_Dammitt]

Damn they took out Jones, DC and Silva in the same day. NSAC is the real goat.

Seriously though Wanderlei gets a lifetime ban from a sport he helped build. War Wand! Real gs don't show up to trial anyways.

 

[aker2703]

Funny, doing a press conference means you are going to fight in that state. I thought it was the CONTRACT and paperwork that determined if Wand was going to fight in that state.

I don't give a shit. He was asked to take a test and ran. The length of suspension and amount of fine, is fine by me.

end of story.

 

[Bones245n4847]

So thats why he retired. He wanted to get out ahead and hope people would celebrate him for a few days before everyone found out he was a cheater.

 

[TheNinja]

This is stupid. Like was already said, Reem ran and got 9 months. Chael and Barnett piss dirty like 3 times and can still fight in the UFC. So the moral of the story is, just piss dirty and take a 9-12 month vacation rather than run.

 

[m52nickerson]

That excerpt simply states they can fine anyone under their jurisdiction, it does not state or imply anyone defined as a contestant is under their jurisdiction by default. Since Wanderlei was not licensed, pursuing a license or contracted to fight in Nevada how was he any different from any amateur contestant?

Has he fought for money before? Has their been an indication that he plans to fight for money in the future (at the time of him refusing to take the test)?

That is all the is needed for the commission to defind someone as a contestant and declare them under their jurisdiction. That is the way state commissions, boards, and athorities operate.

 

[Boom_Ba_Ye]

When it comes to fighting in the stat of Nevada they do have jurisdiction over any profetional fighter in the world. That is how they were able to test Vitor as soon as he got off the plane.

The definition of a contestant is just what I posted, it cam right from the regulation.

Vitro had a bout agreement. Wanderlei according to Chael never signed the contract.

And you said it yourself. "When it comes to fighting in the stat of Nevada they do have jurisdiction over any profetional fighter in the world." The only way a fighter is fighting in the state of Nevada is when they sign a contract for a fight in Nevada.

 

[countswagula]

When it comes to fighting in the stat of Nevada they do have jurisdiction over any profetional fighter in the world. That is how they were able to test Vitor as soon as he got off the plane.

They were only able to test Vitor because Vitor allowed them to, and signed a contract to that effect. Even then, they did not punish him because at that time they did not believe they had the jurisdiction to do so since he wasn't licensed. Wand didn't even sign the testing contracts, so they would have even less jurisdiction regarding to this situation.

The definition of a contestant is just what I posted, it cam right from the regulation.

The regulation defines contestant, but I don't see where it says they have automatic jurisdiction over anyone who fits that definition. "Any person who engages in unarmed combat for remuneration" is an incredibly broad definition.

 

[SerrabyTKO]

A press conference is not a legally binding contract.

It doesn't need to be to place him under their jurisdiction. He is a fighter. Who just announced his plans to fight within their bounds. He also has a contract with the UFC, who are also bound by the authority of the ACs.

What I love most about this argument is that you guys aren't discussing weather or not he cheated. People are trying to argue that no one quite had the authority to catch him cheating.



Pathetic.

 

[aker2703]

You are right on that. Therefore he must have signed the bout agreement, but the rumor at the time is that he still hadn't signed it. Chael called him out on it multiple times.

Personally i don't care if he signed a bout agreement or not. He was going to fight at 175 (unless he got injured) so i have zero issue testing him.


I have no issue with the suspension and although i personally would not fine him as much as they did, I really don't have a problem with it either.

 

[blitzk]

would Weidman or Ronda get the same treatment if they were to skip a test?
lifetime Ban 20% purse?

Fuck the NSAC.

 

[Boom_Ba_Ye]

Has he fought for money before? Has their been an indication that he plans to fight for money in the future (at the time of him refusing to take the test)?

That is all the is needed for the commission to defind someone as a contestant and declare them under their jurisdiction. That is the way state commissions, boards, and athorities operate.

So do they have jurisdiction over any fighter past or present who has fought for money?

 

[_Keyser_Soze_]

NSAC is a joke.

You can beat the mother of your children - as Floyd did - go to jail, and be welcomed back with open arms. You know, because money.

You can fail a test due to steroids, then fail ANOTHER drug test years later, and the commission will welcome you back to the state, and insist that your next fight is in Nevada.

Or, you can try to run. If your name is Overeem, you get nine months. If your name is Wand - you get life. What a joke.

I don't even like Wand all that much (I was hoping to see Chael put Wand on his ass - until they both failed or ran from tests) but this is nonsense. Wouldn't expect anything else from NSAC.

 

[aker2703]

It doesn't need to be to place him under their jurisdiction. He is a fighter. Who just announced his plans to fight within their bounds. He also has a contract with the UFC, who are also bound by the authority of the ACs.

What I love most about this argument is that you guys aren't discussing weather or not he cheated. People are trying to argue that no one quite had the authority to catch him cheating.



Pathetic.

well put.

 

[countswagula]

Has he fought for money before? Has their been an indication that he plans to fight for money in the future (at the time of him refusing to take the test)?

That is all the is needed for the commission to defind someone as a contestant and declare them under their jurisdiction. That is the way state commissions, boards, and athorities operate.

I'm sure they are free to set the fine which Wanderlei would have to pay if he chooses to pursue a license in the future. I highly doubt he will be made to pay it otherwise, not least of which because such a fine would be inconstitutional according to the Eighth Amendment. Did Chael ever pay the $250k fine that was set on him?