Wanderlei Silva gets lifetime ban

[NativeAmericana]

Wand is awesome. Fuck the system.

 

[countswagula]

What I love most about this argument is that you guys aren't discussing weather or not he cheated. People are trying to argue that no one quite had the authority to catch him cheating.

Do I honestlyu believe he cheated? Absolutely. But if you think that is a more important point of discussion than the extent of a government's authority, you're pretty narrow minded.

 

[aker2703]

NSAC is a joke.

You can beat the mother of your children - as Floyd did - go to jail, and be welcomed back with open arms. You know, because money.

You can fail a test due to steroids, then fail ANOTHER drug test years later, and the commission will welcome you back to the state, and insist that your next fight is in Nevada.

Or, you can try to run. If your name is Overeem, you get nine months. If your name is Wand - you get life. What a joke.

I don't even like Wand all that much (I was hoping to see Chael put Wand on his ass - until they both failed or ran from tests) but this is nonsense. Wouldn't expect anything else from NSAC.

your two points above the part in bold are 100% on the money.

But the Overeem and Wand cases are not the same and people need to stop saying they are.

Overeem ran (UFC 146) but came back immediately when informed he would be in serious trouble if he didn't. He took the test and failed.

Wand ran and when told to come back, fled to brazil.

 

[Grappleboxing]

It doesn't need to be to place him under their jurisdiction. He is a fighter. Who just announced his plans to fight within their bounds. He also has a contract with the UFC, who are also bound by the authority of the ACs.

What I love most about this argument is that you guys aren't discussing weather or not he cheated. People are trying to argue that no one quite had the authority to catch him cheating.



Pathetic.

Ends justify means?

Police break down the door without a warrant, and find Marijuana/weapons.

We found weapons! Who cares about a warrant! Ends justify means!

Yeah!

What the hell happened to due process?

If they couldn't test Wanderlei, THEY COULDN'T test him! He wasn't licensed! End of story.

Pathetic that people only use the end result and don't care that the gov't was out of line, like they usually are.

 

[giusti825]

please tell me how he does this while under contract to the UFC?

Easily....if the ufc doesnt schedule him to fight, they are in breach of contract. He is only forbidden from fighting in nevada, not japan, not brazil, not england or any of the other 49 states (though most states would enforce nevada's penalty).

I know texas is a right to work state, they would never enforce a lifetime ban.

If the UFC doesn't offer him fights in the time limit on the contract, they must either pay him not to fight or release him. As crooked as the contract is, there is some responsibility that the ufc has.

 

[Boom_Ba_Ye]

Please UFC, cut Wanderlei so he can go Bellator and fight in another state.

 

[Perrichet]

your two points above the part in bold are 100% on the money.

But the Overeem and Wand cases are not the same and people need to stop saying they are.

Overeem ran (UFC 146) but came back immediately when informed he would be in serious trouble if he didn't. He took the test and failed.

Wand ran and when told to come back, fled to brazil.

And then later drug tested himself :icon_lol:

 

[wilKO]

what is the logic behind zuffa wanting wanderlei banned?

Because he posted a very public "fuck you" to the UFC and retired.

 

[SerrabyTKO]

Do I honestlyu believe he cheated? Absolutely. But if you think that is a more important point of discussion than the extent of a government's authority, you're pretty narrow minded.

As I stated before, I believe that a professional fighter who has spent the last ~8 months promoting and training for a fight is absolutely under the authority of the Athletic commissions to drug test. Plain and simple.

This is not a matter of governmental over-reach. The didn't test and then try to fine my grandmother. This is a matter of a guy trying to cheat and exploit the system and the system saying "LOL no."

 

[countswagula]

your two points above the part in bold are 100% on the money.

But the Overeem and Wand cases are not the same and people need to stop saying they are.

Overeem ran (UFC 146) but came back immediately when informed he would be in serious trouble if he didn't. He took the test and failed.

Wand ran and when told to come back, fled to brazil.

The cases are also different in that Overeem was a licensed fighter who had just fought under that license in a sanctioned event(and had beaten the shit out of his opponent). Wanderlei was not licensed, not pursuing a license, and had not fought nor was contracted to fioght anyone under NSAC jurisdiction. If you can see the difference you pointed out but not this, you must have some sort of selective blindness.

 

[Grappleboxing]

your two points above the part in bold are 100% on the money.

But the Overeem and Wand cases are not the same and people need to stop saying they are.

Overeem ran (UFC 146) but came back immediately when informed he would be in serious trouble if he didn't. He took the test and failed.

Wand ran and when told to come back, fled to brazil.

Overeem ran for 146? I thought he ran to Holland to be with his mother before 141?

 

[m52nickerson]

They were only able to test Vitor because Vitor allowed them to, and signed a contract to that effect. Even then, they did not punish him because at that time they did not believe they had the jurisdiction to do so since he wasn't licensed. Wand didn't even sign the testing contracts, so they would have even less jurisdiction regarding to this situation.


The regulation defines contestant, but I don't see where it says they have automatic jurisdiction over anyone who fits that definition. "Any person who engages in unarmed combat for remuneration" is an incredibly broad definition.

Okay, if the commission did not have the power to fine Silva, and Silva is not going to seek a lisence in the state anymore, why would he be paying his lawyer to fight the decision in court?

Second, since Silva had had a license in Navada before he falls under this provision of the commission rules....

"NAC 467.089  Effect of expiration of license on jurisdiction of Commission. (NRS 467.030)  The expiration of a license does not deprive the Commission of jurisdiction to:

1.  Proceed with an investigation of the licensee;

2.  Proceed with an action or disciplinary proceeding against the licensee;

3.  Render a decision to suspend or revoke the license; or

4.  Otherwise discipline the licensee."

http://leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html

 

[Boom_Ba_Ye]

As I stated before, I believe that a professional fighter who has spent the last ~8 months promoting and training for a fight is absolutely under the authority of the Athletic commissions to drug test. Plain and simple.

This is not a matter of governmental over-reach. The didn't test and then try to fine my grandmother. This is a matter of a guy trying to cheat and exploit the system and the system saying "LOL no."

He was promoting a fight in BRAZIL 7 of those 8 months. Not Nevada. Then according to Chael, never even signed the fight agreement.

 

[aker2703]

Do I honestlyu believe he cheated? Absolutely. But if you think that is a more important point of discussion than the extent of a government's authority, you're pretty narrow minded.

Garbage. he knew (as we all did) he was fighting at 175 so i have zero problem with them testing him (and any fighter on the card).

Hopefully this situation is the catalyst for the UFC to do random year round drug testing, so fighters can't claim jurisdiction rubbish.

getting rid of the cheaters should be the UFC's #1 priority.

 

[Ogg]

Wanderlei's UFC contract is voided I think since they can't schedule him a fight anymore since the UFC follows NSAC rulings.. SO basically Silva is free to fight wherever NSAC rulings are not recognized and that's definitely not with the UFC.

 

[EffinCraig]

I would have liked for Overeem and Justino to have received similar treatment.

 

[NHB7]

I don't agree with it. I think Wand was in the wrong and deserves consequences. But like a poster said on page 1, there was no precedent. Had they even one month prior said, "If you attempt to evade testing, you will recieve a lifetime ban from competing in Nevada" and then Wand evaded, then yes, that would be fair. But not only had they not warned regarding that, they have never, ever, ever done it before!

 

[countswagula]

As I stated before, I believe that a professional fighter who has spent the last ~8 months promoting and training for a fight is absolutely under the authority of the Athletic commissions to drug test. Plain and simple.

This is not a matter of governmental over-reach. The didn't test and then try to fine my grandmother. This is a matter of a guy trying to cheat and exploit the system and the system saying "LOL no."

Right. So the NSAC has complete jurisdiction over anyone and everyone who trains to fight and has shown intention to fight anywhere in the world. Why then, did they bother to bring several pages worth of contracts for Wanderlei to sign before taking the test? Surely with their omnipresent jurisdiction that wouldn't be necessary. And why did they not punish Vitor when he failed his drug test? He had a "potential intention" to fight in Nevada as well, doesn't that instantly grant them unlimited power?

 

[SerrabyTKO]

Ends justify means?

Police break down the door without a warrant, and find Marijuana/weapons.

We found weapons! Who cares about a warrant! Ends justify means!

Yeah!

What the hell happened to due process?

I have no interest in arguing with someone who honestly cannot tell the difference between these two situations.

Pathetic that people only use the end result and don't care that the gov't was out of line, like they usually are.

See Fig. 2

As I stated before, I believe that a professional fighter who has spent the last ~8 months promoting and training for a fight is absolutely under the authority of the Athletic commissions to drug test. Plain and simple.

This is not a matter of governmental over-reach. The didn't test and then try to fine my grandmother. This is a matter of a guy trying to cheat and exploit the system and the system saying "LOL no."

 

[Boom_Ba_Ye]

Okay, if the commission did not have the power to fine Silva, and Silva is not going to seek a lisence in the state anymore, why would he be paying his lawyer to fight the decision in court?

Second, since Silva had had a license in Navada before he falls under this provision of the commission rules....

"NAC 467.089  Effect of expiration of license on jurisdiction of Commission. (NRS 467.030)  The expiration of a license does not deprive the Commission of jurisdiction to:

1.  Proceed with an investigation of the licensee;

2.  Proceed with an action or disciplinary proceeding against the licensee;

3.  Render a decision to suspend or revoke the license; or

4.  Otherwise discipline the licensee."

http://leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html

This refers to the period where the fighter was licenced. If the licence expires, they still have jurisdiction to discipline him for anything that happened during the period he was licenced.

Being licenced once, doesn't give them lifetime jurisdiction over you for anything you do for the rest of your life.