Wanderlei Silva gets lifetime ban

[Perrichet]

Wand saved face by 'retiring' prior to the decision. Anyone who buys his reason are gullible

 

[countswagula]

Slow down there Alex Jones. I know hyperbole is fun but lets try to have a mature converstion.

First: The Nevada Ac does not have "unlimited authority" It has authority over people who want to fight in their state. Wand has fought there before, numerous times, and was actively promoting a fight at the time, and fits the criteria of a "contestant." This is not some guy off the street that they are shaking down.

Second: They are not "taking as many money as they want from someone." Fight purses are regulated and approved by the commissions. This is not new. His fine is a proportional percentage of the purse that he would have gotten from the UFC, as per his UFC contract.



This is why we disagree. Because you are full of shit. Wand just spent a whole damn TV show season training for and promoting this fight. It is well within the rights of the AC that has jurisdiction over that fight to drug test him, whether he signed the bout agreement or not. This does not make it 1984.

So many issues with this post. How can they fine him a percentage of his purse when he hadn't signed the bout agreement, and thus didn't have a defined purse? How can they have jurisdiction over an unlicensed individual who is not seeking a license and is not contracted to fight? Where exactly is the circumstance that grants them the authority? Wanderlei was essentially as liable as basically anybody off the street, and the NSAC knew this, otherwise they would not have brought contracts for him to sign when they tried to test him. And I was simply responding to your argument that loopholes cannot be allowed, because at least with the drug testing technology available today loopholes will inevitably exist, I wasn't suggesting the current conditions are Orwellian, I'm sure you can tell it was a hypothesis.

 

[aker2703]

Why should he take the test? He didn't sign a paper to fight or pursue a NSAC license.

The current system gives cheaters countless chances to come back and make money for themselves and ufc (and more importantly state of nevada). Meanwhile, another guy talks bad about ufc and fighter pay at the end of his career gets banned for a test he had no contractual reason to take. I get that you don't like wand and that's fine, but you can't tell me these guys are a clean AC.

he was at the pre-fight press conference to promote the fight. He knew he was fighting at 175, so i have no problem testing him.

he knew he would fail and ran....tough shit.

 

[Julo]

Wand probably knew this was coming, so he retired on his own terms for a bit more hespect.

 

[Joe]

Got to say, I'm pretty sure NSAC have had their expensive lawyers go over their decisions beforehand to check they're enforceable.

considering the attorney general of nevada was there, i hope they do. wanderlei vs the attorney general might be his worst fight yet imo

 

[SerrabyTKO]

The fight he was training for (According to Chael, he wasn't even training) and promoting was scheduled for Brazil at the time. Not Nevada.

And it was moved. It's still the same fight.

 

[Boom_Ba_Ye]

Section NRS 467.158  Penalties in lieu of or in addition to other disciplinary action; payment of costs of proceedings.

The state regulation gives the commission the power to fine anyone that is falls under the jurisdiction.


As for amature fights, well as long they fall within that definition the commission would not have the jurisdiction.

The debate is weather or not he falls into their jurisdiction. No bout agreement and no application for a licence would mean he doesn't.

 

[giusti825]

The fight he was training for (According to Chael, he wasn't even training) and promoting was scheduled for Brazil at the time. Not Nevada.

WTF???? Why would nevada test him if he wasnt even going to fight there? How is this the first im hearing of this?

 

[Perrichet]

Hopefully fighters will know you can't run from a drugs testing without HUGE consequences

 

[aker2703]

if i were wanderlei, even if i didnt want to fight anymore, I would take another fight outside of nevada just to send the NSAC the big "FUCK YOU!!!" and show them that their penalty doesnt mean shit. He should take a fight in a state bordering nevada, at a venue that people from vegas can easily get to.

This is ridiculous.....he wasnt a licensee.....by thier own rules, they cant do this to him.

please tell me how he does this while under contract to the UFC?

 

[Grok]

After the Cung Le fight would have been a good time to retire for Wand. A big win over an accomplished fighter of similar age.

 

[KSchwarz]

yes it is actually. People run from tests, make up bullshit excuses and hope to get away with murder. The Athletic Commission is making it clear (by a harsher penalty) this is not acceptable. Now fighters know that running from the test is a bad idea.


correct call by the NSAC.

TS faked an urine test. As bad as running from the test, if not worse. He should have gotten the same ban aswell.

Nothing wrong about NSAC punishing people doing shit. But they must have good grounds to do it, which they don't. Actually, their argument to justify their alleged jurisdiction over a non-licensed fighter is as solid as Wand whining about how the UFC treats fighters to justify his "retirement".

 

[Boom_Ba_Ye]

And it was moved. It's still the same fight.

No. Date and place are different. The Bout agreement has to be changed and agreed to.

The original bout agreement was for Brazil which gave Nevada NO jurisdiction. Unless he signed the new agreement for the new date and venue. he would still be outside Nevada's jurisdiction.

 

[countswagula]

Section NRS 467.158  Penalties in lieu of or in addition to other disciplinary action; payment of costs of proceedings.

The state regulation gives the commission the power to fine anyone that is falls under the jurisdiction.


As for amature fights, well as long they fall within that definition the commission would not have the jurisdiction.

That excerpt simply states they can fine anyone under their jurisdiction, it does not state or imply anyone defined as a contestant is under their jurisdiction by default. Since Wanderlei was not licensed, pursuing a license or contracted to fight in Nevada how was he any different from any amateur contestant?

 

[aker2703]

WTF???? Why would nevada test him if he wasnt even going to fight there? How is this the first im hearing of this?

Bomm ba yee (whatever) is full of shit. Wand had just finished the pre fight press conference for UFC 175 (vegas) so he was going to fight in Nevada.

 

[SerrabyTKO]

No. Date and place are different. The Bout agreement has to be changed and agreed to.

The original bout agreement was for Brazil which gave Nevada NO jurisdiction. Unless he signed the new agreement for the new date and venue. he would still be outside Nevada's jurisdiction.

See fig.1

Bomm ba yee (whatever) is full of shit. Wand had just finished the pre fight press conference for UFC 175 (vegas) so he was going to fight in Nevada.

 

[giusti825]

Ironic how Wand and Chael's names have been practically married together in this incident and they go out almost the exact same way after being scheduled for a grudge match.

The Bad Guy and The Axe Murderer.. til death do you part.

Chael vs Wand at metamoris 6.....lol.....but of course they take the fight for free

Ahem....grappling match.....

 

[aker2703]

TS faked an urine test. As bad as running from the test, if not worse. He should have gotten the same ban aswell.

Nothing wrong about NSAC punishing people doing shit. But they must have good grounds to do it, which they don't. Actually, their argument to justify their jurisdiction over a non-licensed fighter is as solid as Wand whining about how the UFC treats fighters to justify his "retirement".

If this is true then he will win the court case (his lawyer has already said they will appeal to the district court). my take Wand losses.

 

[Grappleboxing]

Bomm ba yee (whatever) is full of shit. Wand had just finished the pre fight press conference for UFC 175 (vegas) so he was going to fight in Nevada.

Funny, doing a press conference means you are going to fight in that state. I thought it was the CONTRACT and paperwork that determined if Wand was going to fight in that state.

 

[m52nickerson]

Yes, but this is referring to a person in the bout agreement or application for a licence. If that was the case, they would have jurisdiction over any fighter in the world who gets paid to fight. But they don't.

The contestant is one of the two persons on the bout agreement in Nevada who are engaging in combat for renumeration.

When it comes to fighting in the stat of Nevada they do have jurisdiction over any profetional fighter in the world. That is how they were able to test Vitor as soon as he got off the plane.

The definition of a contestant is just what I posted, it cam right from the regulation.