Wanderlei Silva gets lifetime ban

[Shaddows]

Wanderlei got a lifetime ban along with a fine of $70,000, which is 35% of the $200,000 purse he would have gotten from the fight. Via Fightpass. NSAC said they needed to send a message by imposing the harshest penalty.

IMO if he didn't sign the contract to fight, then they have no basis to fine him.

 

[aker2703]

They already allow cheaters...

Wand has never pissed hot or failed a test in his career. He didn't even apply for their license, so a lifetime ban is a bit of a joke considering he wasn't obligated to take it. Overeem ran from a test too, and was given like 2 more chances after that and he actually applied for their license to begin with.

Then he should have taken the test. Even if he failed, he would have got 6-12 months. Bet he wished he had just done that...hey.

6-12 months if he was smart.

 

[Quilled Mind]

I don't mind if he ever fights again unless his well being is harmed after this...his well being was getting more and more harmed from fighting. He was never the same fighter after the Cro Cop KO...he came back to get KO'd by Hendo...then he had a massive punch up with Chuck...then KO'd by Rampage...then later, Leben...
Yes there were fights in between there but my point was the bad KO's...
Hopefully he stays away from the sport.

 

[Peteyandjia]

Wand >>> NSAC

Fighters >>> bureaucrats

War Wand

 

[ShreddinMMA]

Once again, the NSAC acts in an outrageous fashion.

Can't fix a fucked up scorecard. Can't fix judging. But they can ban a retired fighter.

 

[m52nickerson]

You only become a contestant when you sign a bout agreement or apply for a licence. Only in those two scenarios do you qualify as a contestant and fall into the jurisdiction of Nevada.

No, the regulation defines contestant simply as...

NRS 467.0103  

 

[countswagula]

Also speaking of the Vitor situation it's ludicrous how they didn't issue him any punishment whatsoever(outside of requiring a hearing) because he wasn't licensed at the time of the test, thenban Wanderlei for life because he didn't take the test while also unlicensed. Add this to the Overeem situation, and the lack of consistency is actually comical.

 

[SerrabyTKO]

You think athletes roiding is a bigger issue than government basically having unlimited authority to take as many money as they want from someone? We have fundamental disagreements indeed.

Slow down there Alex Jones. I know hyperbole is fun but lets try to have a mature converstion.

First: The Nevada Ac does not have "unlimited authority" It has authority over people who want to fight in their state. Wand has fought there before, numerous times, and was actively promoting a fight at the time, and fits the criteria of a "contestant." This is not some guy off the street that they are shaking down.

Second: They are not "taking as many money as they want from someone." Fight purses are regulated and approved by the commissions. This is not new. His fine is a proportional percentage of the purse that he would have gotten from the UFC, as per his UFC contract.

And to answer your question, the NSAC could require athletes to begin the process of ap

 

[aker2703]

Yeah because avoiding something is worse than failing it. worst case he was positive. You can't treat him any worse than someone who failed. Makes no sense at all. Why not lifetime bans for those caught to put people off cheating? No let's give a lifetime ban to someone who has never tested positive because Zuffa want it. It's funny how the two guys who retired got the harshest punishments ever. I guarantee if they didn't retire they wouldn't receive those punishments. NSAC are corrupt and too pussy to actually punish people fairly if there is money to be made. Case in point Vitor.

yes it is actually. People run from tests, make up bullshit excuses and hope to get away with murder. The Athletic Commission is making it clear (by a harsher penalty) this is not acceptable. Now fighters know that running from the test is a bad idea.


correct call by the NSAC.

 

[KSchwarz]

...and you would be wrong.

Wanderlei fits the state defintion of a Contestant, which puts him under their jurisdiction.

http://leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-467.html

I had a quick check there, and I didn't find anything that NSAC could use to punish Wanderlei. He wasn't licensed, and there's nothing stating they have jurisdiction over non-licensed fighters.

 

[Joe]

Yeah because avoiding something is worse than failing it. worst case he was positive. You can't treat him any worse than someone who failed. Makes no sense at all. Why not lifetime bans for those caught to put people off cheating? No let's give a lifetime ban to someone who has never tested positive because Zuffa want it. It's funny how the two guys who retired got the harshest punishments ever. I guarantee if they didn't retire they wouldn't receive those punishments. NSAC are corrupt and too pussy to actually punish people fairly if there is money to be made. Case in point Vitor.

what is the logic behind zuffa wanting wanderlei banned?

 

[Boom_Ba_Ye]

No, the regulation defines contestant simply as...

NRS 467.0103  “Contestant” defined.  “Contestant” means any person who engages in unarmed combat for remuneration.

Yes, but this is referring to a person in the bout agreement or application for a licence. If that was the case, they would have jurisdiction over any fighter in the world who gets paid to fight. But they don't.

The contestant is one of the two persons on the bout agreement in Nevada who are engaging in combat for renumeration.

 

[Baba Ghanoush]

A lifetime ban was necessary. You can't just pick and choose which drug tests you decide to take.

 

[Francis Rossi]

Got to say, I'm pretty sure NSAC have had their expensive lawyers go over their decisions beforehand to check they're enforceable.

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

Then he should have taken the test. Even if he failed, he would have got 6-12 months. Bet he wished he had just done that...hey.

6-12 months if he was smart.

Why should he take the test? He didn't sign a paper to fight or pursue a NSAC license.

The current system gives cheaters countless chances to come back and make money for themselves and ufc (and more importantly state of nevada). Meanwhile, another guy talks bad about ufc and fighter pay at the end of his career gets banned for a test he had no contractual reason to take. I get that you don't like wand and that's fine, but you can't tell me these guys are a clean AC.

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

Wand >>> NSAC

Fighters >>> bureaucrats

War Wand

This.

 

[aker2703]

Got to say, I'm pretty sure NSAC have had their expensive lawyers go over their decisions beforehand to check they're enforceable.

shush now, the sherdog lawyers (they think they are any way) are saying otherwise.

 

[m52nickerson]

I see how he fits the definition of contestant, what I don't see is how that grants them the jurisdiction to fine him. Would the NSAC be able to fine someone based on an unsanctioned amateur fight?

Section NRS 467.158  Penalties in lieu of or in addition to other disciplinary action; payment of costs of proceedings.

The state regulation gives the commission the power to fine anyone that is falls under the jurisdiction.


As for amature fights, well as long they fall within that definition the commission would not have the jurisdiction.

 

[Boom_Ba_Ye]

Slo

This is why we disagree. Because you are full of shit. Wand just spent a whole damn TV show season training for and promoting this fight. It is well within the rights of the AC that has jurisdiction over that fight to drug test him, whether he signed the bout agreement or not. This does not make it 1984.

The fight he was training for (According to Chael, he wasn't even training) and promoting was scheduled for Brazil at the time. Not Nevada.

 

[giusti825]

if i were wanderlei, even if i didnt want to fight anymore, I would take another fight outside of nevada just to send the NSAC the big "FUCK YOU!!!" and show them that their penalty doesnt mean shit. He should take a fight in a state bordering nevada, at a venue that people from vegas can easily get to.

This is ridiculous.....he wasnt a licensee.....by thier own rules, they cant do this to him.