Elections Wake the F**k Up Dems: Running on Identity Politics Doesn't Work Anymore

Corona said:
Lmao at this take. Dems finna triple down on Vance being a racist, sexist, homophobic, Nazi dictator in 2028 while running AOC. Def gonna work then imo.
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Nah, I think they go for Pete Buttigieg but Latinos will never vote for a gay man. At least none of my family will but I'll gladly speak for all Latinos.

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Misfit23 said:
Nah, I think they go for Pete Buttigieg but Latinos will never vote for a gay man. At least none of my family will but I'll gladly speak for all Latinos.

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Word. I'm Mexican too and I'd say 80% of other Latinos I've talked to over the age of 40 are pro trump, while 60-70% under 40 are still pro trump lol. Dems about to come in hot with our mans Gavin GOATsom Targeryan.
 
Satsui Ryu said:
It is exactly identity politics. When every single topic can somehow become about trannies regardless of its importance vs the actual topic then yes. This whole idea that gays, trannies, women are coming to rob you of your masculinity then yes it is. When a a topic that will not impact 99.99999% of the population becomes the main focus then yes it is. I see trannies as simply a wedge issue. It is a topic, but when it becomes THE topic something seems fishy.

To the whole racism thing. Anecdotal evidence alert, but it reminds me of a conversation I had with my cousin who is white is afraid about being impacted by racism. A person who has never been in the vicinity of a minority other than "the help." Whereas I, someone who is white, but grew up mainly around minorities, has zero concern about being hit with racism.

So yeah the right absolutely runs on identity politics. They've just been able to touch the nerves of a larger portion of the population. And just because they triggered the larger population doesn't necessarily mean they are correct, it just means they know what nerves to touch.
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Lets be realistic, the right are FAR more obsessed with transsexuals than the left, whilst yes most more progressive posters would be against bigotry directed at them it doesnt tend to dominate there posting on Sherdog were as you see a LOAD of right wingers were its the main politics there interested in.
 
I mean what else did they have? Harris is an empty suit. Nobody knows her opinions because they change like the wind. She was only picked because Biden painted himself in a corner with only chosing a woman of color as a running mate and the other potential running mate was Stacey Abrams 😂. He could have chosen a VP with a better resume or that wasn't a complete goof, but he went with identity over quality.

Dems could have had a runoff at the convention but due to their identity politics they couldn't pass over a woman of color so they were stuck with Kamala. Then Harris had the opportunity to go with Shapiro for her VP, a well liked and solid Governor out of a State she absolutely needed to win but he's a Jew so they put a kibosh on that and went with a complete weirdo doofis from a solid blue State.
 

Why did voters abandon Kamala Harris? Because they feel trapped – and Trump offered a way out | Aditya Chakrabortty

His resounding victory will be blamed on ‘populism’, but that’s lazy thinking. He addressed the key concerns far better than the Democrats did, says Guardian columnist Aditya Chakraborrty
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Why did voters abandon Kamala Harris? Because they feel trapped – and Trump offered a way out

His resounding victory will be blamed on ‘populism’, but that’s lazy thinking. He addressed the key concerns far better than the Democrats did

Since we'll hear a lot, again, about “populism”, let’s remember, again, that 19th-century US populism had a healthy strain of leftwing politics. Defending workers, riling up bankers, decrying the “cross of gold” and economic conservatism: look past his Bible-bashing, and William Jennings Bryan was a precursor to Franklin Roosevelt. Yet for much of this election year, the populists’ modern-day successors in the Democrats have served up an anti-populism: telling voters they were wrong.

Americans were told they were wrong to see the corrosion of Joe Biden’s abilities, and wrong to think that his replacement should not be decided in a giant backroom stitch-up. They were wrong not to enjoy the US economic miracle, and wrong not to worry about the future of democracy. Black and brown people and students were wrong to expect the party to oppose the bloodbath in Gaza. Latinos were ungrateful to desert the party of racial equality, while Black men were boneheaded not to back a Black woman. Everyone was wrong not to lap up the rallies opened by Beyoncé and Usher, the skits on Saturday Night Live and that clip of Barack Obama rapping. Why couldn’t they just feel the joy?

For reasons I’ll explain in a moment, I’m no fan of explanations that begin and end with the bogeyman of “populism”. They almost always wind up with well-lunched commentators ventriloquising the opinions of people they’ve never talked to and in whose worlds they’ve never set foot. Look at the exit polls and you see a materialist explanation for what’s just happened: two out of three US voters report their economy is bad. And they have an excellent point. As I wrote last month, look at the data over the long run and two big trends stand out.

First, for the vast majority of US employees – whether middle class or working class, teacher or shop assistant – wages have flatlined. Not for four or even 20 years – but for most of the past half century. Strip out inflation, and average hourly earnings for seven out of 10 employees have barely risen since Richard Nixon was in the White House.

I can’t think of a more flammable political economy than a country with a few very rich people where most workers only get by because of low gas and food prices. Then what happens? A second blow. Covid peters out, the world comes out of lockdown and low-wage America is doused in that most combustible of economic substances: inflation. The entire system goes up – and Donald Trump spots his chance.

Faced with the flames, what would be a left-populist response? It wouldn’t be to resort to pedantry, to correct angry voters by showing them the aggregate figures – but that’s what many Democrat supporters did. Nor would it be to roll back all the benefits extended over the pandemic: the improved child tax credit, Medicaid and unemployment insurance. But that’s what Joe Biden did, even as he shovelled billions into infrastructure. The electoral result was that working- and middle-class voters peeled away from the Democrats. Kamala Harris won the most affluent voters, while Trump took those earning between $50,000 (£39,000) and $100,000 (£77,000). The two tied for those on $50,000 and below. So much for Harris being part of the most pro-worker government since the 1960s.

Just as the electorate professed fury with the entire political and economic system, she and the Democrats made themselves the system’s defenders. They weren’t change but more of the same. They worried about the future of “democracy”; they warned about disrupting free trade. Harris’s slogan of “we’re not going back” said it all: a campaign defined by being anti-Trump rather than for anything. A strategy intended to woo “moderates” left nearly everyone cold.

Democrats need to embrace populism. Open borders given illegals free stuff while citizens are struggling will turn people away from your party.

Allowing criminals to get away with robberies and other crimes which causes food deserts will make people vote against you.

Given billions of dollars why people are struggling to buy groceries and pay bills is just another way to make people vote against you.
 
nhbbear said:
What I brought up has to factor in the vote for some people. I am just trying to figure out how he actually won. Both candidates sucked. I came up with a pro/con list for him winning. More cons than pros with the only two pros being that the loss shut up a lot of hard core lefties and no one fucking with my guns being the other.
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I think they lost because they were too far left.

Like even if I agree with your policies, don't tell me that men and women should play the same sport. Don't tell me that it's racist to ask for ID at the polls. Don't tell me that men can menstruate. And don't ask for CNN and MSNBC to help you because they actually make the entire democratic party look bad when they lie.

The Republicans needed to be slapped years ago. They had to realize that they needed to back off global warming because the rest of the country simply didn't agree with them. They adapted.

Now the Democrats need to do the same thing. Stop letting the extremists ruin your party and get back to the center where the voters are.
 
Fedorgasm said:
I think they lost because they were too far left.

Like even if I agree with your policies, don't tell me that men and women should play the same sport. Don't tell me that it's racist to ask for ID at the polls. Don't tell me that men can menstruate. And don't ask for CNN and MSNBC to help you because they actually make the entire democratic party look bad when they lie.

The Republicans needed to be slapped years ago. They had to realize that they needed to back off global warming because the rest of the country simply didn't agree with them. They adapted.

Now the Democrats need to do the same thing. Stop letting the extremists ruin your party and get back to the center where the voters are.
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Echo chamber. Smelled their own farts.
"Let's just talk about niche topics and avoid the ones that affect both the majority population and also the minority groups. All the minorities will vote."


Similar in the Corbyn UK election. I voted Corbyn coz I liked him and I've never voted Conservative and never will. I had Lefty mates convinced he was winning by a monumental landslide. He lost by one, to a hateable posh Tory. My mates couldn't believe it. Their carefully curated social media bubbles echoed their views he was gonna landslide it.

Turns out the vast majority of most populations are not "radical". Most want change but most have some form of comfortable living and fear radical change. Corbyn campaigned like (in hindsight) some 16yr old sixth form wannabe Commy in a Che Guevara tee. He even lost most of the working class which was unreal at the time. In hindsight those people were probably like "fuck. This cunt wants mild communism in a country that will literally collapse under such measures. I don't care about free WiFi. I work hard and want my 2 weeks in Spain next summer."
 
moreorless87 said:
Lets be realistic, the right are FAR more obsessed with transsexuals than the left, whilst yes most more progressive posters would be against bigotry directed at them it doesnt tend to dominate there posting on Sherdog were as you see a LOAD of right wingers were its the main politics there interested in.
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You're either very naive or very dishonest, I'm gonna guess it's the latter looking at your join date.

The right is not obsessed with that nonsense, they're just concerned about their children and rightfully so.

No one gave a shit about trannies in the 80's or the 90's, or right up until the past decade when sick shit like drag queen story time, and gay porn in school libraries, and men entering female spaces became a thing.

It's not the main thing we're interested in, but it is the easiest one to attack because of how fucken stupid it is. You guys are literally tripping all over yourselves trying to explain what a woman is, and how we've actually got it all wrong for thousands of years, and how men too can get pregnant and so on. Of all the dumb leftie ideas to chose from, this one is just the most ridiculous and impossible not to ridicule you for on a daily basis.
 
ferrisjso said:
With all due respect we knew this for a very long time. Democrats had to run on identity politics because thats all they had to offer non Republican voters. That and insincere promises to bring back Roe they were lying through their teeth about.
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- That's is true also for here. No side has a goverment plan here.
Sad state of affairs!
 
They told men that they suck and are toxic. No real man votes for them after that... only the cucks. Even the gay men that are not flamers likely went Trump.
 
Corona said:
Lmao at this take. Dems finna triple down on Vance being a racist, sexist, homophobic, Nazi dictator in 2028 while running AOC. Def gonna work then imo.
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The fact that "Vance is.... weird" was the best they could come up with should have sent warning signs to the dems. Vance is about the most objectively normal, personable, likeable candidate I can remember in a long time from either party. They had nothing for him while he continously dunked on them on their platforms while pulling their pants down weekly.
 
Wrath of Foamy said:
I think that people are just tired of being told to be frightened.
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Isn’t that the entire GOP strategy? Every ad was scary trans people will make you son cut off his dick or immigrants will take your daughters
 
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