Elections Wake the F**k Up Dems: Running on Identity Politics Doesn't Work Anymore

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

I suspect they simply double down on the same old shame politics and fear mongering.

Yep. Quote me later. Whoever runs next they're going to say 'Trump wasn't that bad really. This new guy? He's REALLY Hitler!'

 

[Mack Yancy]

the people have spoken, democracy is not dead, and the liberals are the definite minority. they had the full backing of the media for the past 8 years, all total bullshit, and now we know for certain. we are the majority. your ideas suck ass.

it's time to heal now.

Weren't you the whiny woke pussy complaining about racism? RE Assasins Creed Shadows?

 

[nhbbear]

You're either very naive or very dishonest, I'm gonna guess it's the latter looking at your join date.

The right is not obsessed with that nonsense, they're just concerned about their children and rightfully so.

No one gave a shit about trannies in the 80's or the 90's, or right up until the past decade when sick shit like drag queen story time, and gay porn in school libraries, and men entering female spaces became a thing.

It's not the main thing we're interested in, but it is the easiest one to attack because of how fucken stupid it is. You guys are literally tripping all over yourselves trying to explain what a woman is, and how we've actually got it all wrong for thousands of years, and how men too can get pregnant and so on. Of all the dumb leftie ideas to chose from, this one is just the most ridiculous and impossible not to ridicule you for on a daily basis.

The men in women’s sports and in female spaces was when it went too far for many people. And the fact that the definition of what a woman is became so difficult. The kid in kindergarten cop said it so eloquently and succinct when he said “boys have a penis and girls have a vagina”-boom, nothing more need be said

 

[PEB]

Ultimately, Harris lost because her campaign refused to address the primary concerns that voters had. I'd say there were four: 1) The Economy; 2) The Border; 3) Crime; 4) Abortion/Reproductive rights. I list those in no particular order, as different demographics on both sides of the aisle weighed them differently. Nonetheless, these were the four big issues for voters. Harris addressed only one of them, abortion. The others, were hardly acknowledged. Instead, she took certain demographics for granted, or assumed enough "orange man bad" rhetoric would carry the day.

Here's a perfect example. Four years ago, Biden won the Latino vote by 11 points. Good. Not great, but solid. Trump just took the Latino vote by 29 points. That's a forty point switch in one term. How'd that happen? Well, Latino's listed the economy and the border as their top two issues. Turns out Mexican-Americans also want a secure border and less crime. And everyone who lived near the border could have told you that.

And what was Harris's policy on the border? I don't know. She never really put one together. She had solid lines at debates and tv appearances. But there was never a concrete promise of anything. And that won't work.

When voters tell you they have a problem, you have two options: 1) convince them it isn't a problem; or 2) offer a solution. If you just ignore it, they will gravitate to the guy who's offering a solution, or at least seems willing to listen. Even if that solution is dumb. Like Trump's mass deportation plan that would likely cost over $1 trillion. At least he's listening. At least he's addressing the issue.

And what was frustrating about the way Harris ran her campaign. These were all issues she could have fought and won on. The inflation trump campaigned on was largely caused by his own shit policies. But rather than point that out and offer a solution to the very real inflation, Harris chose to ignore it and just pretend inflation hadn't happened. I don't know why this tactic was taken. Maybe it was an overly cautious attempt to not give trump an opening. But the reality was it ceded the space to Trump to be the only one at least talking about a problem that voters had.

Harris still had a lot stacked against her anyway. Trump had years to establish a campaign and get on brand, etc.; while Harris had only a few months. Harris also failed to separate herself from Biden, which was a mistake given that the whole right wing media sphere had been torching him nonstop his whole term. She had to know she'd get saddled with his unpopularity if she couldn't carve out her on identity. Yet, whether out of loyalty or timidness, she never tried.

In short: She took on all the dirt from the Biden administration and failed to provide concrete views on issues important to voters. Those two things killed her.

Don't forget Gaza and Michigan and Wisconsin went with Trump. Biden screwed over everyone as well as Obama instead of leaving a year ago and setting up debates for the position he waited 5 months and pushed Harris.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

Weren't you the whiny woke pussy complaining about racism? RE Assasins Creed Shadows?

rent free

heal, bitch

 

[Mack Yancy]

rent free

heal, bitch

Heal deez nutz.

You woke whiny pussy. Stop calling people racist over a video game.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

Heal deez nutz.

You woke whiny pussy. Stop calling people racist over a video game.

rent free, bitch

 

[Mack Yancy]

rent free, bitch

You're a concubine.

 

[Hog-train]

It's not the Trump's responsibility to advertise Kamala's economic policies, but it is the voter's responsibility to take it into consideration.

No it is Kamala's campaign on getting that message across which they failed spectacularly at. I voted for the woman and I still don't know WTF she stood for.

Also Trump spent a lot of time demonizing immigrants going so far as to call them vermin, yet actually does zero on the topic when he has the chance. Obama actually does something on the matter without dehumanizing them from his pedestal and does not get acknowledged at all. This is like a conversation I had previously, it's more about the rhetoric than actual policy.

I imagine Trump did nothing about immigration because why should he? Why get rid of the topic that wins him elections. Simply play to people's emotions until it no longer wins elections then move on to the next topic to piss people off.

This I agree with. The border bill that failed was actually good, but Trump's camp killed it for political purposes. I hope he actually does something this time.

 

[PEB]

N it is Kamala's campaign on getting that message across which they failed spectacularly at. I voted for the women and I stll don't know WTF she stood for.Also Trump spent a lot of time demonizing immigrants going so far as to call them vermin, yet actually does zero on the topic when he has the chance.



This I agree with. The border bill that failed was actually good, but Trump's camp killed it for political purposes. I hope he actually does something this time.

Look I don't like Harris but she said about how in 2020 Biden tried to pass a border bill only to have congress shoot it down. This was before the bill that Trump shot down. She talked several times how she was going to be much stricter on the border and put 1500 more border patrol officers that will make 6 digit salaries. She said she was going to build a faculty to accelerate the deportation of undocumented immigrants.She could not be more extreme about how she was going to process people. Trump seeking mass deportation of immigrants great times ahead. I cannot wait till Trump blocks foreign reporters from reporting about the mass deportation and the austerity plans.

 

[GhostZ06]

Yet Biden got much more of the minority vote than Kamala did. 1 in 3 minorities voted for Trump this time.

Black, Latino and Asian voters came out in droves for Trump.



They ran on "Trump is bad and I'm a women" in 2016 and just did it again.



They didn't run a centrist campaign. They ALIENATED the centrists and independents and less crazy liberals by supporting all the really retarded progressive shit: not prosecute crime and shoplifting so that the cities became crime ridden, allowed a crazy amount of illegal immigrants to be bussed into the cities, and all the trans bullshit didn't help - trying to convert kids to trans in schools, giving kids cross sex hormones, supporting trans athletes in female sports, allowing transwomen in female prisons, etc.

blows my mind, its not like he helping or cares. His crony's are racist church fucks.

 

[RoastBeast]

You guys need to wrap your head around the idea that Donald Trump's Republican party is NOT the Republican party of your granddad. The Republican party of Trump is the party of the working class center right. Sure, there are still establishment Republicans in power, but you have to get those old tropes about Republicans out of your mind.

On the flip side, Democrats have not only leaned into their old beliefs but have turned them up to 11.

It's hilarious that they think we're the ones that have gotten radical.

I mean they won't even state when it would be too late to kill a fetus, they pretend to not know what a woman is and they are okay with stopping puberty in children and giving them hormones to turn them into transexuals. They're also okay with funding proxy wars and the government using social media companies to censor American citizens.

We just want lower taxes, criminals put in a jail, our borders to not be open, men not entering women's bathrooms and competing in female sports and our tax dollars used correctly.

Yeah we're the radical ones alright. Basically Hitler.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Running on identity politics absolutely does work. White liberalism / progressive championing of the downtrodden doesn't. They are illegals - not undocumented. They are homeless - not unhoused. They are Latinos - not LatinX and most of all, tranny lives don't matter.

 

[Patrick Jane]

But I can almost guarantee all the MSNBC's will be crying racism and misogyny this morning. Basically doubling down the same bullshit that made them lose.

If Democrats genuinely believed the country to widely hold these views, they would not allow women to become presidential nominees for them.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Obama was likeable and charismatic. Even Republicans admit that.

Hilary and to a lesser extent Kamala are hated.

Kamala got something like 1% of the vote in the Primary. Even her own party didn't want her as candidate. But the Dems left it too late to replace her. They didn't have time to find a strong candidate. And they probably figured she'd walk through Trump anyway. No way was the first potential woman of colour President going to lose to a rich old white guy and convicted felon.

The reason the Dems so epically failed can be summed up in three words:

 

[White Whale]

He had some solid points on why Democrats lost.

 

[Darkavius]

It's hilarious that they think we're the ones that have gotten radical.

I mean they won't even state when it would be too late to kill a fetus, they pretend to not know what a woman is and they are okay with stopping puberty in children and giving them hormones to turn them into transexuals. They're also okay with funding proxy wars and the government using social media companies to censor American citizens.

We just want lower taxes, criminals put in a jail, our borders to not be open, men not entering women's bathrooms and competing in female sports and our tax dollars used correctly.

America has funded proxy wars for decades without getting their hands "dirty". That is not exclusive to any party. When it comes to social media companies those are privately owned companies (one of which is lead by a Republican). So is your argument to support private companies being able to do what they want to do with their business because it does not sound like it based on your post?

Also, lower taxes for who exactly? When you say tax dollars used correctly what does that mean? The original tax rate for corporations when Trump entered office the first time was 35%. He brought it down to 20% and then Biden brought it up to 25%. When taxes are lowered businesses always get the break before individuals so if corps pay less taxes then the burden is shifted to the individual. That will likely not change under Trump.

 

[Darkavius]

He had some solid points on why Democrats lost.

He stepped over some of his own points.

• He said that he does not lay the loss at her feet and then subsequently argues that she did not make herself available to talk directly about the issues.
• I laughed when he said Americans like competition. That was funny from a guy that has his main source of income and notoriety coming from Disney and he's speaking on YouTube.
• He made a terrible argument when he explained about Obama deporting people. I've said it before but Biden put a border bill together but it was rejected by Repubs. So the lack of border security falls on both parties. Hell, based on his argument Obama was harder on the border than Trump was in the first term. So by that logic both Trump and Biden were weaker on immigration.
• He said look at the streets of the big cities but never highlighted the fact that they were not sent out of the country but Governors shipped them to other cities. Also, when the talk about streets being terrible it is never brought up about the homelessness crisis.
• He said she busted her ass but never had a chance which goes against herself being available.
• Stephen A. has no idea what progressive is because the progressive left never got anything from the Dems in the campaign.

 

[RoastBeast]

America has funded proxy wars for decades without getting their hands "dirty". That is not exclusive to any party. When it comes to social media companies those are privately owned companies (one of which is lead by a Republican). So is your argument to support private companies being able to do what they want to do with their business because it does not sound like it based on your post?

Also, lower taxes for who exactly? When you say tax dollars used correctly what does that mean? The original tax rate for corporations when Trump entered office the first time was 35%. He brought it down to 20% and then Biden brought it up to 25%. When taxes are lowered businesses always get the break before individuals so if corps pay less taxes then the burden is shifted to the individual. That will likely not change under Trump.

Is your logic that wasting American tax dollars away on funding proxy wars is acceptable because it's been done for decades?

The Biden administration was contacting social media companies and asking them to take down posts and ban users that were not in line with their narratives. Especially on covid and stories like the Hunter Biden story that would hurt Joe's election chances. My argument is that the government has no business using private companies as a means to skirt around the 1st amendment and censor American citizens. It is not morally right and it should be made illegal.

I'm talking income tax specifically. The government has more than enough money to do what they need to do. Have you ever worked for the government? Do you not realize that the government wastes your tax dollars at an insane rate? It's what happens when people get to spend other people's money. They don't worry about getting good deals or being frugal. Government agencies waste our tax dollars like no other.

 

[Darkavius]

Is your logic that wasting American tax dollars away on funding proxy wars is acceptable because it's been done for decades?

The Biden administration was contacting social media companies and asking them to take down posts and ban users that were not in line with their narratives. Especially on covid and stories like the Hunter Biden story that would hurt Joe's election chances. My argument is that the government has no business using private companies as a means to skirt around the 1st amendment and censor American citizens. It is not morally right and it should be made illegal.

I'm talking income tax specifically. The government has more than enough money to do what they need to do. Have you ever worked for the government? Do you not realize that the government wastes your tax dollars at an insane rate? It's what happens when people get to spend other people's money. They don't worry about getting good deals or being frugal. Government agencies waste our tax dollars like no other.

Latin American, African and Middle Eastern countries would be a lot different if Americans did not fun proxy wars. I'm against proxy wars but again that belongs to both parties and it should stop but it will not. If America did stop proxy wars Israel would be hurting.

Your second paragraph has 2 issues with it. 1. You would still have to answer the question of is it okay for private businesses to be able do what they want? You put the blame on the government but if it is illegal then it could be considered telling private entities what they can and cannot do with their business. Repubs and Centrist Dems do not want that. 2. This is not surprising considering the C.I.A. exists and the Patriot Act has been a thing since the Bush 2 Administration.

The third paragraph is true about wasting funds but then what about other Repub wants like cutting the deficit? I have worked for state government before and I did not make crap at that job and many people don't make crap on government jobs. However, the solution is not to cut taxes for corps. Presidents have done that for decades and it does not work. You say that the government has more than enough, but enough to get out of the deficit and fund popular social programs like Social Security for future people?