Elections Wake the F**k Up Dems: Running on Identity Politics Doesn't Work Anymore

[CantCucktheTuck]

The fact that "Vance is.... weird" was the best they could come up with should have sent warning signs to the dems. Vance is about the most normal, personable, likeable candidate I can remember in a long time from either party.

Don't forget smart. Dude has a good head on his shoulders.

 

[Natural Order]

Joy Reid has zero self-awareness and continues to fuck Democrats with her verbal diarrhea

Joy Reid is one of the phoniest, stupidest people on the planet. I can't stand the Donald, but am tickled pink to see it just to watch Reid evaporate her last 10 remaining IQ points.

 

[Seano]

The fact that "Vance is.... weird" was the best they could come up with should have sent warning signs to the dems. Vance is about the most objectively normal, personable, likeable candidate I can remember in a long time from either party. They had nothing for him while he continously dunked on them on their platforms while pulling their pants down weekly.

I'd really like to see Vance step up in his role as VP, take some initiative. He could be a strong candidate in 2028.

 

[Seano]

Joy Reid is one of the phoniest, stupidest people on the planet. I can't stand the Donald, but am tickled pink to see it just to watch Reid evaporate her last 10 remaining IQ points.

It makes you wonder who made the choice to put her on TV. She's not charismatic or pretty. She's flat out stupid and says racist shit on TV every night. Why would you choose this person to represent your news program?

 

[Confucamus]

Joy Reid is one of the phoniest, stupidest people on the planet. I can't stand the Donald, but am tickled pink to see it just to watch Reid evaporate her last 10 remaining IQ points.

I truly hope this is the death of identity politics. All it's ever done is move the country backwards.

 

[terrapin]

I think they lost because they were too far left.

Like even if I agree with your policies, don't tell me that men and women should play the same sport. Don't tell me that it's racist to ask for ID at the polls. Don't tell me that men can menstruate. And don't ask for CNN and MSNBC to help you because they actually make the entire democratic party look bad when they lie.

The Republicans needed to be slapped years ago. They had to realize that they needed to back off global warming because the rest of the country simply didn't agree with them. They adapted.

Now the Democrats need to do the same thing. Stop letting the extremists ruin your party and get back to the center where the voters are.

The Democrats went too far left socially and too far right fiscally, .Basically, that's the problem. The networks did the same thing.

They focused on sometimes fringe social issues that don't really matter much to the larger population and then didn't support enough fiscal policies that would benefit the blue collar ordinary man.

If they don't learn this lesson this time, if they allow their apologists to come in and spin it, they're f*****.

 

[Wrath of Foamy]

Isn’t that the entire GOP strategy? Every ad was scary trans people will make you son cut off his dick or immigrants will take your daughters

Shit I don't know. I don't really follow American politics or their ads. I just comment on the things that I briefly see online or in the news articles.

Just seems to me that image wise, Trump looked strong, raising his fist in the air after being shot at, plus he seems to give speeches well.

 

[koquerelle]

That entire panel last night was being so condescending as the night went on and reality set in, Im over generalizing here but their basic angry message was "Why dont you stupid regular people realize that we know whats best for you", they were pretty irritated that the "working class" had minds of their own

It's that attitude that got the Democratic party in trouble in the first place. The hardcore Dems won't change. They won't learn anything from yesterday. They denied for years there's a border crisis. They denied for more than a year Biden had serious cognitive issues.

 

[terrapin]

You're either very naive or very dishonest, I'm gonna guess it's the latter looking at your join date.

The right is not obsessed with that nonsense, they're just concerned about their children and rightfully so.

No one gave a shit about trannies in the 80's or the 90's, or right up until the past decade when sick shit like drag queen story time, and gay porn in school libraries, and men entering female spaces became a thing.

It's not the main thing we're interested in, but it is the easiest one to attack because of how fucken stupid it is. You guys are literally tripping all over yourselves trying to explain what a woman is, and how we've actually got it all wrong for thousands of years, and how men too can get pregnant and so on. Of all the dumb leftie ideas to chose from, this one is just the most ridiculous and impossible not to ridicule you for on a daily basis.

It's interesting how often the left claims that the right is obsessed with that issue when it's the left that's pushing it on the country in the first place....

They have the nerve to say people on the right are obsessed with it or ask them. Why do you care but never look to themselves and say why am I pushing this issue? and why now??

There are a ton of more important issues they could have pushed but self-righteously since they latched onto that particular one, they feel they have the right to shame anyone who doesn't agree in lock step.

It pissed people off. I'm a beenie supporter and firmly a Democrat and it even pissed me off. When there are a ton of children being trafficked, used up by philes, and appearing in c**************** I find it hard to believe that anyone could think the trans issue is the thing we ought to spend our attention on.

How about we quadruple the funding for agencies that go after philes and child pornographers until it's eradicated in this country?

That's a social issue both right and left people could get behind.

 

[koquerelle]

you literally couldn't have this more backwards. "running on identity politics" is exactly what trump did for republicans and he crushed kamala.

Kamala crushed Kamala.

 

[Koro_11]

It's interesting how often the left claims that the right is obsessed with that issue when it's the left that's pushing it on the country in the first place....

They have the nerve to say people on the right are obsessed with it or ask them. Why do you care but never look to themselves and say why am I pushing this issue? and why now??

There are a ton of more important issues they could have pushed but self-righteously since they latched onto that particular one, they feel they have the right to shame anyone who doesn't agree in lock step.

It pissed people off. I'm a beenie supporter and firmly a Democrat and it even pissed me off. When there are a ton of children being trafficked, used up by philes, and appearing in c**************** I find it hard to believe that anyone could think the trans issue is the thing we ought to spend our attention on.

How about we quadruple the funding for agencies that go after philes and child pornographers until it's eradicated in this country?

That's a social issue both right and left people could get behind.

Yeah it's one of their most dishonest arguments, they'll wave that stupid flag in your face every day, then when you give your opinion they'll ask you why you care so much.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Kamala crushed Kamala.

kamala could have literally been any other run-of-the-mill democrat running with the same old bullshit centrist platform and they all would have gotten smashed. trump crushed the democratic party, the face of which was kamala for this election.

 

[Darkballs]

Ultimately, Harris lost because her campaign refused to address the primary concerns that voters had. I'd say there were four: 1) The Economy; 2) The Border; 3) Crime; 4) Abortion/Reproductive rights. I list those in no particular order, as different demographics on both sides of the aisle weighed them differently. Nonetheless, these were the four big issues for voters. Harris addressed only one of them, abortion. The others, were hardly acknowledged. Instead, she took certain demographics for granted, or assumed enough "orange man bad" rhetoric would carry the day.

Here's a perfect example. Four years ago, Biden won the Latino vote by 11 points. Good. Not great, but solid. Trump just took the Latino vote by 29 points. That's a forty point switch in one term. How'd that happen? Well, Latino's listed the economy and the border as their top two issues. Turns out Mexican-Americans also want a secure border and less crime. And everyone who lived near the border could have told you that.

And what was Harris's policy on the border? I don't know. She never really put one together. She had solid lines at debates and tv appearances. But there was never a concrete promise of anything. And that won't work.

When voters tell you they have a problem, you have two options: 1) convince them it isn't a problem; or 2) offer a solution. If you just ignore it, they will gravitate to the guy who's offering a solution, or at least seems willing to listen. Even if that solution is dumb. Like Trump's mass deportation plan that would likely cost over $1 trillion. At least he's listening. At least he's addressing the issue.

And what was frustrating about the way Harris ran her campaign. These were all issues she could have fought and won on. The inflation trump campaigned on was largely caused by his own shit policies. But rather than point that out and offer a solution to the very real inflation, Harris chose to ignore it and just pretend inflation hadn't happened. I don't know why this tactic was taken. Maybe it was an overly cautious attempt to not give trump an opening. But the reality was it ceded the space to Trump to be the only one at least talking about a problem that voters had.

Harris still had a lot stacked against her anyway. Trump had years to establish a campaign and get on brand, etc.; while Harris had only a few months. Harris also failed to separate herself from Biden, which was a mistake given that the whole right wing media sphere had been torching him nonstop his whole term. She had to know she'd get saddled with his unpopularity if she couldn't carve out her on identity. Yet, whether out of loyalty or timidness, she never tried.

In short: She took on all the dirt from the Biden administration and failed to provide concrete views on issues important to voters. Those two things killed her.

 

[SRN]

It's interesting how often the left claims that the right is obsessed with that issue when it's the left that's pushing it on the country in the first place....

They have the nerve to say people on the right are obsessed with it or ask them. Why do you care but never look to themselves and say why am I pushing this issue? and why now??

There are a ton of more important issues they could have pushed but self-righteously since they latched onto that particular one, they feel they have the right to shame anyone who doesn't agree in lock step.

It pissed people off. I'm a beenie supporter and firmly a Democrat and it even pissed me off. When there are a ton of children being trafficked, used up by philes, and appearing in c**************** I find it hard to believe that anyone could think the trans issue is the thing we ought to spend our attention on.

How about we quadruple the funding for agencies that go after philes and child pornographers until it's eradicated in this country?

That's a social issue both right and left people could get behind.

I don't get it either. As a bi man myself (and someone who's socially liberal) I just can't understand the left's obsession with trans and drags queens. Where did that come from? How did it start? Who the fuck started?!

It doesn't even make sense. The overwhelming majority of Americans already believe in equal rights and individual freedom, so why are they pushing this very specific and minuscule issue so hard? 10 years ago nobody even talked about trans issues now the world depends on it? Give me a fucking break.

 

[terrapin]

I don't get it either. As a bi man myself (and someone who's socially liberal) I just can't understand the left's obsession with trans and drags queens. Where did that come from? How did it start? Who the fuck started?!

It doesn't even make sense. The overwhelming majority of Americans already believe in equal rights and individual freedom, so why are they pushing this very specific and minuscule issue so hard? 10 years ago nobody even talked about trans issues now the world depends on it? Give me a fucking break.

Helena, Joyce is one of the people I've really learned a lot from about this issue.

She said if it were not for a relatively small group of extremely powerful men who are used to getting what they want and have transitioned, pushing the issue so that they can actually be called women, not just present as women, and have all the rights of women and enter all women spaces legally this issue probably wouldn't exist at the level it does.

 

[UberHere]

Shit I don't know. I don't really follow American politics or their ads. I just comment on the things that I briefly see online or in the news articles.

Just seems to me that image wise, Trump looked strong, raising his fist in the air after being shot at, plus he seems to give speeches well.

He’s full of shit. I didn’t see a single Trump ad that said anything about trans. Most of it was focused on crime, the economy, and that Trump does not support a federal abortion ban.

These leftist weirdos are the ones obsessed with trans then project that onto the right.

 

[nhbbear]

I think they lost because they were too far left.

Like even if I agree with your policies, don't tell me that men and women should play the same sport. Don't tell me that it's racist to ask for ID at the polls. Don't tell me that men can menstruate. And don't ask for CNN and MSNBC to help you because they actually make the entire democratic party look bad when they lie.

The Republicans needed to be slapped years ago. They had to realize that they needed to back off global warming because the rest of the country simply didn't agree with them. They adapted.

Now the Democrats need to do the same thing. Stop letting the extremists ruin your party and get back to the center where the voters are.

I mostly agree with you. I don’t think kamala is that far left, but they are kowtowing to the demands of extreme leftists such as trans issues.


As I stated in another post, I had a pro/con list for each candidate since I dislike them both and refused to vote for either. Pros of trump winning was liberal tears and fuck kamala and walz for the way they handled jacob blake and the riots. They treated a rapist like a victim and a VIP. I will hate them forever for that and their reaction to 2020 was the biggest reason I wouldn’t vote for them.

But Hillary was not left, she was very moderate in 2016. So that’s where your theory falls short. Look, I am not saying that gender is the main issue, but I think for some voters, it could have been.

 

[SRN]

Helena, Joyce is one of the people I've really learned a lot from about this issue.

She said if it were not for a relatively small group of extremely powerful men who have transitioned pushing the issue so that they can be actually called women not just present as women and have all the rights of women and enter all women spaces legally this issue probably wouldn't exist at the level it does.

Very interesting! I'll definitely check that interview later.

 

[terrapin]

Very interesting! I'll definitely check that interview later.

It's worth watching and Kathleen Stock is also an incredible source. She's got a PhD in philosophy and really is thought through this issue.

 

[nhbbear]

Nah, I think they go for Pete Buttigieg but Latinos will never vote for a gay man. At least none of my family will but I'll gladly speak for all Latinos.

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On behalf of all white people, thank you for speaking for all Latinos