Elections Wake the F**k Up Dems: Running on Identity Politics Doesn't Work Anymore

It's not the right's job to advertise Kamala. She has to do that herself and she completely failed.

The entire party failed in campaigning so badly.



I don't care how Trump went about how he talked about it. The fact of the matter is, there's a shitload of immigrants all over my city who are using up all the resources and it's not sustainable. They're being housed in a midtown Manhattan hotel and other places in some of the most expensive real estate in the country. It's completely ridiculous.
It's not the Trump's responsibility to advertise Kamala's economic policies, but it is the voter's responsibility to take it into consideration. Also Trump spent a lot of time demonizing immigrants going so far as to call them vermin, yet actually does zero on the topic when he has the chance. Obama actually does something on the matter without dehumanizing them from his pedestal and does not get acknowledged at all. This is like a conversation I had previously, it's more about the rhetoric than actual policy.

I imagine Trump did nothing about immigration because why should he? Why get rid of the topic that wins him elections. Simply play to people's emotions until it no longer wins elections then move on to the next topic to piss people off.
 
Meh no it's not. That's only the stupid chatter surrounding it. If you want to count all the hyperbolic talk around an issue, then literally every single issue is "identity politics."

Immigration is a real, tangible issue that affects the economy, taxes, crime, etc. I live in NY which is one of the sanctuary cities overrun with bussed in immigrants. The city is struggling real hard to pay for all these people.

Sure it is.

However, that's not at all how Trump ran on immigration. He leaned heavily into identity politics. Everything you are saying is true, but that's not how Trump ran on it.

You can look up his rallies on YouTube and see his rhetoric. He straight up leaned into identity politics at every turn on this issue.
 
From what I saw Kamala largely didn't lean into race or being a woman. I think people were just done with the Biden administration and she was tied to that.
 
From what I saw Kamala largely didn't lean into race or being a woman. I think people were just done with the Biden administration and she was tied to that.
She never stood for anything either.

She was VP for 3.5 years and I knew less about her politics than I knew about Michelle Obama's and she was just the first lady.
 

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Democrats need to change dramatically by getting rid of the elitism and not talking down to people.
 
From what I saw Kamala largely didn't lean into race or being a woman. I think people were just done with the Biden administration and she was tied to that.
That’s all it comes down to. This was a very unfavorable presidency and Kamala is perceived as 4 more years of the current admin. Nothing more nothing less.
 
The upside is that the Democrats will hopefully ditch their silliest stuff and become a more grounded party going forward. Normal people simply could not vote for Harris. Hopefully smart centrist candidates will emerge next cycle.
 
I don't think identity politics is what doomed them here. I have been saying even before Biden dropped that the economy/inflation was the #1 reason Trump had a good chance to win. Americans have the memory of a goldfish. People aren't going to remember shit like the pandemic response, J6, all the crazy shit Trump has said and done when they are reminded every day how much more expensive shit has gotten since 2021/2022.

People are generally pretty fucking dumb when it comes to things that require critical thinking. Shit is more expensive, Biden was the president with Harris as the VP since 2021, shit was cheaper when Trump was president, that must mean Trump is better. Harris had a chance to separate herself from Biden when she got forced into the candidacy but failed to do so, end of story.

Hindsight will say that Biden should have stuck to being a 1 term candidate like he said and had a real primary. The candidates then could have had a chance to really separate from him and the negative shit of the last 4 years.
 
I've heard much more identity politics from the Republican side than from the Democrats side during this cycle.
 
Until it works again in 4 years... and some sort of "reasonable" Dem gets elected. The cycle of bullshit never really ends.
 
I don't think identity politics is what doomed them here. I have been saying even before Biden dropped that the economy/inflation was the #1 reason Trump had a good chance to win. Americans have the memory of a goldfish. People aren't going to remember shit like the pandemic response, J6, all the crazy shit Trump has said and done when they are reminded every day how much more expensive shit has gotten since 2021/2022.

People are generally pretty fucking dumb when it comes to things that require critical thinking. Shit is more expensive, Biden was the president with Harris as the VP since 2021, shit was cheaper when Trump was president, that must mean Trump is better. Harris had a chance to separate herself from Biden when she got forced into the candidacy but failed to do so, end of story.

Hindsight will say that Biden should have stuck to being a 1 term candidate like he said and had a real primary. The candidates then could have had a chance to really separate from him and the negative shit of the last 4 years.
I think people did remember the pandemic response. The remember the mandates that closed down businesses and the transfer of wealth to the rich that happened from it. They remembered the forced vaccine mandates. That was all Democrat controlled on the state level
 
I think people did remember the pandemic response. The remember the mandates that closed down businesses and the transfer of wealth to the rich that happened from it. They remembered the forced vaccine mandates. That was all Democrat controlled on the state level
If that was the case then why did Trump lose in 2020 and the dems over perform in 2022? Not buying that.
 
And there it is. The excuse "we were not far enough left, what we need to do is to double down and move more left"

She would have lost even bigger is they did that.
No. She would have been addressing the structural problem with our economy.

You see, while Trump doesn’t actually address these problems, he at least intuitively knows that something is wrong, and Americans are frustrated.

But if the Democrats could both acknowledge that there is a problem, and what the problem is, they could at least offer policy prescriptions to remedy the structural issues, which would motivate more people to vote. The more people who vote, the more the numbers skew Democrat. It is just a fact.

137 million people voted last night. They lost. 155 people voted in 2020. They won.

Addressing structural problems, like a disproportionate concentration of wealth and power, also known as progressive politics, would have served them. But they would rather lose that do that. They have proven that twice now.
 
If that was the case then why did Trump lose in 2020 and the dems over perform in 2022? Not buying that.
The fallout to the pandemic hadn't been fully felt yet. I think people understood it was going to be tough during it but didn't understand how much things would be fucked after it.
 
I think people did remember the pandemic response. The remember the mandates that closed down businesses and the transfer of wealth to the rich that happened from it. They remembered the forced vaccine mandates. That was all Democrat controlled on the state level
Not only that but the restrictions made no sense.

You have to wear a mask to enter a restaurant, but then you take it off to eat.

You can’t buy groceries from the corner store or go to the gym, but you can go to Walmart.

Follow the science? Sure
 
Canadian here and Trump is probably worse for Canada than Kamala but I think the biggest thing that I see that would have swayed my votes are to just look at the shit holes that San Fran and Chicago(I am sure there are more but those are the 2 I see all the time) have become under Democrat leadership..

The fear that that spreads to the rest of the country is horrifying.
 
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