International Virus outbreak in China (and elsewhere)

[Orgasmo]

Death rate is worse. It was reported that chinese authorities have given the order to classify as many deaths as “standard pneumonia” instead of coronabeervirus

You have a reputable source for that?

 

[EyeOfNewt]

You have a reputable source for that?

Man... it was in a newspaper linked in either this thread or the one in mayberry. A family relative of the victim claimed hospital staff refused to test for Coronavirus. Victim died in Wuhan from “pneumonia”

 

[The Merchant]

Got 5 quarantined in Scotland atm, no more information than that.

 

[Orgasmo]

Man... it was in a newspaper linked in either this thread or the one in mayberry. A family relative of the victim claimed hospital staff refused to test for Coronavirus. Victim died in Wuhan from “pneumonia”

German health minister said the Chinese is actually quite open and cooperative this time around. Seems like they at least learned something from SARS crisis that covering shit up makes it worse.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/01/...a-dealing-with-coronavirus-in-proper-way.html

Expert from US Department of Defence think China is being honest this time around.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/01/...s-is-not-as-deadly-as-others-says-doctor.html

While I don't trust the regime in China, there is no reason for me to doubt expert opinions from Western governments.

 

[Sonnyboi83]

There's a story of a lady from Wuhan who had fever but took medicine to cool her body down in order to fly to Paris. She got found out by boasting on the Instagram.

 

[all caps]

https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-warns-the-next-pandemic-disease-is-coming-2018-4

 

[Strychnine]

https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-warns-the-next-pandemic-disease-is-coming-2018-4

Here's what I'm thinking an you all can flame away.

There's a virus or microbe that's been frozen in a glacier for a long time and with global warming, it's going to get unleashed.

And it's gonna kick some serious @$$..

 

[Orgasmo]

Here's what I'm thinking an you all can flame away.

There's a virus or microbe that's been frozen in a glacier for a long time and with global warming, it's going to get unleashed.

And it's gonna kick some serious @$$..

I hate to burst your bubble, but modern medicine and hygiene practices will prevent anything on the scale of Black Plague or Spanish Flu. Even third world African states were able to limit Ebola deaths to tens of thousands, not even a dent in the overall population. With supercomputers, we can sequence any virus' genome within days and work to counter it.

We're the disease that adapts and multiplies.

 

[Strychnine]

I hate to burst your bubble, but modern medicine and hygiene practices will prevent anything on the scale of Black Plague or Spanish Flu. Even third world African states were able to limit deaths to tens of thousands, not even a dent in population if you look at the greater scale. With supercomputers, we can sequence any virus' genome within days and work to counter it.

Not trying to be adversarial at all.
But the modern world has jet travel now and what used to take months now takes mere hours. If some new, unknown virus with a long incubation time pops up, it can be global in around 2 days.

Also, the work to counter the coronavirus came too late for those that have and are succumbing to it.

 

[Sonnyboi83]

Why is it always China?

India has a population almost as big, and they have worse conditions. Less land, much poorer people and more of them, far more crowded, less clean etcc.. but all these outbreaks are from China or close by regions.
I used to think it was them keeping ducks and pigs together, but doesn't India also keep lots of farmyard animals next to each other?

They treat animals better than China

 

[Orgasmo]

Not trying to be adversarial at all.
But the modern world has jet travel now and what used to take months now takes mere hours. If some new, unknown virus with a long incubation time pops up, it can be global in around 2 days.

Also, the work to counter the coronavirus came too late for those that have and are succumbing to it.

Yet despite the spread, the scale is nowhere near the mass pandemics we had in the past. Let's say the number of cases and deaths eventually becomes 1000X the current reported number. That would be 800,000 cases worldwide with 25,000 deaths. That's a grain of sand in the desert with 6 billion (6,000,000,000) people on the planet. To give you a scale comparison, Black Plague wiped out 40% to 60% of Europe's population at the time.

Save for an extinction level asteroid impact from space, we're not going anywhere.

 

[VivaRevolution]

This is a serious health crisis. This particular strain of the virus has an incubation period of 14 days. That means that you could go without symptom for 2 weeks, during which time you may still be contagious. That means your ass could have been spreading that shit around for days. Each carrier can infect hundreds during this period, whom will in turn exponentially infect others.

Latest figure is 830 confirmed cases with 25 deaths, which equates a 3% death rate. Now, the good news is that recorded deaths and confirmed cases are generally documented by hospitals, where patients with more severe symptoms will go. There could be a lot more patients walking around with much milder flu-like symptoms that never make the records.

In short, there could be exponentially more patients than reported, but it's nowhere as deadly as SARS or Ebola.

We were a little over due for a 1918 type flu pandemic.

 

[all caps]

What's more scarier the Coronavirus boogeyman or the muslim man boogeyman

 

[VivaRevolution]

Yet despite the spread, the scale is nowhere near the mass pandemics we had in the past. Let's say the number of cases and deaths eventually becomes 1000X the current reported number. That would be 800,000 cases worldwide with 25,000 deaths. That's a grain of sand in the desert with 6 billion (6,000,000,000) people on the planet. To give you a scale comparison, Black Plague wiped out 40% to 60% of Europe's population at the time.

Save for an extinction level asteroid impact from space, we're not going anywhere.

The fact that they have quarantined 3, ten million plus sized cities, says to me this is a bit bigger than that.

We don't really know enough yet, but if this spreads like a airborne flu bug, you won't be able to stop this no matter how many cities you quarantine.

It is possible that this ends up with billions infected, and a 3% fatality rate for billions is going to have quite the effect on economies, and social stability.

 

[Strychnine]

Yet despite the spread, the scale is nowhere near the mass pandemics we had in the past. Let's say the number of cases and deaths eventually becomes 1000X the current reported number. That would be 800,000 cases worldwide with 25,000 deaths. That's a grain of sand in the desert with 6 billion (6,000,000,000) people on the planet. To give you a scale comparison, Black Plague wiped out 40% to 60% of Europe's population at the time.

Save for an extinction level asteroid impact from space, we're not going anywhere.

Oh, we'll never be wiped out by a pandemic.

We may get lumped up, but never wiped out.

 

[Orgasmo]

We were a little over due for a 1918 type flu pandemic.

That's not gonna happen again, ever. Within two weeks, China already mapped out the virus' genome and US companies are already developing vaccines. Remember this shit only appeared three weeks ago.

Modern medical technology is way too advanced and adaptive for any particular pandemic to spread unchecked. Not to mention personal hygiene is constantly improving around the world.

 

[VivaRevolution]

What's more scarier the Coronavirus boogeyman or the muslim man boogeyman

Coronavirus.

This could be real.

Watch the stock market response to things to understand if it is media hype or not.

The market reaction to this says that this might be something a bit more serious than most things.

 

[VivaRevolution]

That's not gonna happen again, ever. Within two weeks, China already mapped out the virus' genome and US companies are already developing vaccines. Remember this shit only appeared three weeks ago.

Modern medical technology is way too advanced and adaptive for any particular pandemic to spread unchecked. Not to mention personal hygiene is constantly improving around the world.

Flu bugs spread to billions every year, with a massive system of flu vaccines already built up.

 

[Orgasmo]

The fact that they have quarantined 3, ten million plus sized cities, says to me this is a bit bigger than that.

We don't really know enough yet, but if this spreads like a airborne flu bug, you won't be able to stop this no matter how many cities you quarantine.

It is possible that this ends up with billions infected, and a 3% fatality rate for billions is going to have quite the effect on economies, and social stability.

You are under the assumption that everyone in the quarantine cities are or will be infected, which is simply absurd. Vast majority will never come in contact with this virus. Quarantine is not meant to stop it, but reduce the scale of infection so other areas can manage their cases without being overwhelmed. Wuhan is a transport hub right in the heart of China, so as drastic as it seems, it makes sense to stop traffic coming in or out.

Especially when you consider half of China will do some sort of travel during Chinese New Year. Allowing a transit hub to freely spread this shit is dumb.

 

[all caps]

I heard they were spraying the skies heavy in china to contain the virus