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International Vance, Zelensky, Trump argue in front of press

Just huge deposits of graphite, lithium, and titanium. Oh, and these:

not rare minerals.
Further, Ukraine has significant deposits of rare earth metals. These are a group of 17 elements that are used to produce weapons, wind turbines, electronics and other products vital in the modern world.

"Ukraine says". yeah you should go right ahead and bank on that.
Perhaps you can tell me what internal studies do they quote to verify that. if it's anything before 1994, yikes. i bet they're quoting soviet numbers.

Rare minerals is a very specific thing. not fucking lithium.
 
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His options are-, IMO-
Continue as he has and lose more territory and men and gain nothing.

The rest of the world decides to risk nuclear annihilation for them.

They negotiate the best deal they can as the loser of this conflict.


That last option is the only realistic option and the only one that doesn't end with many deaths and billions of dollars spent.

Would you not agree that Afghanistan was in a similar situation when they were invaded by Russia?

Russian mothers will grow tired of sending their sons to fight in Putin's "quick" war. Oligarchs will get tired of losing money and having it frozen by European countries. And the US will elect new presidents that may see things differently than Comrade Trump.
 
What about Big WYO?

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Not only are there more rare earths at Wyoming’s Halleck Creek northeast of Laramie than Wyoming Rare (USA) Inc. initially thought, but they’re proving easier to get by a factor of 10. That’s significant because the resource had already been identified as one of the largest rare earth deposits in North America and as one of the world’s top 10 rare earth projects.

The new estimate represents a 12.2% increase over previous metrics, making it a 2.63-billion-ton resource, according to the company. But it is the higher grade of ore that may prove more consequential.

With prices for rare earths low — thanks in large part to China glutting the market — many industry analysts have said it will take a higher grade of ore for the company to reach economic viability. And it’s that latter metric that will ultimately determine investor interest in developing the mine.

Wyoming Rare (USA) President Joe Evers told Cowboy State Daily what they’re finding is that more of the non-rare earth material is getting removed in the first stage of processing than initially expected. The company reports that around 93.5% of the non-rare earth material is eliminated in stage one processing. That makes the remaining 6.5% of mined ore much less costly to develop. These strong economics give the Halleck Creek mine billion-dollar potential.

Not sure what that has to do with not getting the deal signed to get money from Ukraine.

Again think of it as me coming to your house to give you a thousand bucks. You sent me away without getting the money. Great job impressing your base, but the money is still in my wallet.
 
I obviously prefer Biden's immigration policy over Trump's mass deportation but as I said earlier ITT myself to RP it's almost certainly down by a significant margin even if the encounters figure isn't perfect.

But uncritically looking at it as a 1:1 to migrant entries is probably flawed for the reasons I mentioned already and dismissing those caveats as "cope" like Rob did is misguided imo.
The real crazy thing is the constant misinformation about border control, Biden actually had better numbers then Trump did in his first term but no one said anything then ? This is the power of fake news mostly bought republican ones even Fox owns several news stations in other countries I just watch one from Australiaits co owned by that network and it does the same thing fox dies over here which is try as hard as they can do twist actual events .

I had to chuckle watching it though they actually painted a picture of outrage by the American people bc of the Saturday Night Live skit mocking Trump and his cronies when the exact opposite is true everyone knows it was perfectly executed the way those guys act in real life . Lol


Border crossings significantly dropped in Biden's final year as president. In December 2024 - the last full month of the Biden administration - about 47,330 migrant apprehensions were recorded, down from a high of nearly 250,000 in December 2023.

The figures are lower than the monthly averages in Trump's first term, before the Covid-19 pandemic. In May 2019, for example, border patrol agents recorded 132,800 migrant encounters.
 
What about Big WYO?

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Not only are there more rare earths at Wyoming’s Halleck Creek northeast of Laramie than Wyoming Rare (USA) Inc. initially thought, but they’re proving easier to get by a factor of 10. That’s significant because the resource had already been identified as one of the largest rare earth deposits in North America and as one of the world’s top 10 rare earth projects.

The new estimate represents a 12.2% increase over previous metrics, making it a 2.63-billion-ton resource, according to the company. But it is the higher grade of ore that may prove more consequential.

With prices for rare earths low — thanks in large part to China glutting the market — many industry analysts have said it will take a higher grade of ore for the company to reach economic viability. And it’s that latter metric that will ultimately determine investor interest in developing the mine.

Wyoming Rare (USA) President Joe Evers told Cowboy State Daily what they’re finding is that more of the non-rare earth material is getting removed in the first stage of processing than initially expected. The company reports that around 93.5% of the non-rare earth material is eliminated in stage one processing. That makes the remaining 6.5% of mined ore much less costly to develop. These strong economics give the Halleck Creek mine billion-dollar potential.
Thank G-d for that, with all these tariffs we're going to need our own source of "raw earth" minerals as Trump would say.
 
Great job impressing your base, but the money is still in my wallet.
Now imagine that the guy doesn't actually need your money, and it's more of desperate gesture to get out of a whole heap of shit you're in. Zelenski didn't come out on top. Hence why he's begging to get back to the table.
 
Reports I've seen suggest Trump's border wall construction have aided the illegal entries as they built roads and infrastructure to build the walls in desert areas that were already inhospitable.
Sounds plausible but I doubt that would offset the impact of the mass deportation campaign. I'm sure many migrants are slipping through still but many will decide it's not worth the risk or if they get deported decide not to try again.
 
Sounds plausible but I doubt that would offset the impact of the mass deportation campaign. I'm sure many migrants are slipping through still but many will decide it's not worth the risk or of they get deported decide not to try again.

Mass deportation aren't even happening. Turns out when you tell people you're coming, they just hide.

They made a big show of essentially a routine number of deportations and at exponential expense using military planes designed for heavy equipment which cost roughly ten times more per person to operate.

All the low hanging fruit deportations happened the first two weeks, now everyone is hiding.
 
Trump in a few weeks has deported more immigrants than any of these supposed far-right politicians in Europe have for a decade.

We’re also a much bigger country…I don’t think that’s the best metric to use, I was anyways talking about rhetoric.

It’s baffling to me that you don’t think Orban is far right considering that he flatly believes race mixing is degenerate. Don’t get me started on Wilders and Moroccans. There is a lot more venom in their words than Trump just saying sporadic shit.

We don’t even have a American variant of @Croo67 , that guy’s entire schtick is race baiting and circle jerking every time that a nonwhite immigrant commits a crime.
 
This shit isn't that rare. We have huge deposits of it all in our own country to exploit that we already aren't exploiting because there's not business case for it.
From the article:

-This includes some 19m tonnes of proven reserves of graphite, which the Ukrainian Geological Survey state agency says makes the nation "one of the top five leading countries" for the supply of the mineral. Graphite is used to make batteries for electric vehicles.

-Ukraine has 7% of Europe's supplies of titanium,

-It is also home to a third of all European lithium deposits, the key component in current batteries.

- Further, Ukraine has significant deposits of rare earth metals.

-Additionally, the US is keen on a deal for Ukraine's mineral resources because it wants to reduce dependency on China, which controls 75% of rare earth deposits in the world, according to the Geological Investment Group.
 
Thanks for sharing... good post!

It's hard to believe the manlet as he says different things to different people.


He tells the Euros one thing and us another. The man doesn't actually appear to want peace.
Yeah, I’d be hesitant to agree to a lopsided ceasefire considering Russia has violated 20 so far.
 
Mass deportation aren't even happening. Turns out when you tell people you're coming, they just hide.

They made a big show of essentially a routine number of deportations and at exponential expense using military planes designed for heavy equipment which cost roughly ten times more per person to operate.

All the low hanging fruit deportations happened the first two weeks, now everyone is hiding.
Migrants come here to either seek refuge or work, not to hide, and so the fact that they must hide will discourage some from coming or staying.

Again to be clear I don't support Trump's policy here at all but I'm skeptical of the idea that his efforts haven't led to a significant decline in border crossings even if the encounters figure is misleading and overstates the extent to which that's happened.
 
Now imagine that the guy doesn't actually need your money, and it's more of desperate gesture to get out of a whole heap of shit you're in. Zelenski didn't come out on top. Hence why he's begging to get back to the table.

Need vs want. Trump wants the minerals so that he can say he made a great deal instead if giving aid for free.

Z has no choice except to sign the deal. Trump and Vance want him to give away the farm and grovel to make themselves feel like tuff guys - neither are btw.

Oh and based on our debt, I'd say we need the money.
 
Migrants come here to either seek refuge or work, not to hide, and so the fact that they must hide will discourage some from coming or staying.

Again to be clear I don't support Trump's policy here at all but I'm skeptical of the idea that his efforts haven't led to a significant decline in border crossings even if the encounters figure is misleading and overstates the extent to which that's happened.

I mean I've never claimed the overall numbers aren't down and even specifically ceded that in other posts they likely are, just beating your chest over the encounter numbers being down is just as silly as using the encounter numbers to claim it's an invasion. The total number of migrants coming and successfully crossing aren't down 95%.
 
I mean I've never claimed the overall numbers aren't down and even specifically ceded that in other posts they likely are, just beating your chest over the encounter numbers being down is just as silly as using the encounter numbers to claim it's an invasion. The total number of migrants coming and successfully crossing aren't down 95%.
Yeah that I agree with.
 
From the article:
since you're talking so much bullshit, i made an effort to actually search on USGS, maybe you'll shut the fuck up with your dumb posting. all data are from january 2025.
-This includes some 19m tonnes of proven reserves of graphite, which the Ukrainian Geological Survey state agency says makes the nation "one of the top five leading countries" for the supply of the mineral. Graphite is used to make batteries for electric vehicles.
Ukraine says. however in this USGS study, ukraine appears, but there's no mention of reserves, probably the USGS could not take them seriously.

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-It is also home to a third of all European lithium deposits, the key component in current batteries.
Funny, USGS doesn't even mention Ukraine in the deposit list. like, there's like 6 other euro countries mentioned but not Ukraine. surprising eh, for "a third of all deposits"?

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- Further, Ukraine has significant deposits of rare earth metals.
Horseshit. it has nothing. it's not even mentioned among the top producers of the world, or top resources.

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-Additionally, the US is keen on a deal for Ukraine's mineral resources because it wants to reduce dependency on China, which controls 75% of rare earth deposits in the world, according to the Geological Investment Group.
It's not getting any from Ukraine, cause ukraine has none. i don't even undrstand what the fuck this deal is about. america has a shitload more of anything ukraine could offer. you'd be better off if you'd sign a deal for the best ten thousand hookers in the country. that would actually be a good deal.


in conclusion. you don't know anything about the subject and should shut up and go away.
 
We’re also a much bigger country…I don’t think that’s the best metric to use, I was anyways talking about rhetoric.

It’s baffling to me that you don’t think Orban is far right considering that he flatly believes race mixing is degenerate. Don’t get me started on Wilders and Moroccans. There is a lot more venom in their words than Trump just saying sporadic shit.

We don’t even have a American variant of @Croo67 , that guy’s entire schtick is race baiting and circle jerking every time that a nonwhite immigrant commits a crime.

You haven't been on these forums too long if you haven't seen worse. I still remember the "good old" alt-right days of this site, and that was a primarily American movement. And again, drawing conclusions based on internet posts is straight-up lazy, when they could be written by anyone. Look at the practical actions made by European "far-right" politicians compared to America. Way less radical. The immigrants being treated extremely respectfully and fairly considering how much havoc some of these groups have brought alongside them. If American immigrants were committing similar actions of terrorism, they'd be losing their shit.

Only exception might be Orban but he resides on the borders of Europe, rails against European policy at every turn, and pretty much acts like a rogue. These days you can't tell if he's aligned with Russia or Europe. Hungarians and Muslims also have long-standing rivalries with one another, there's a deep-seated hatred that's not just a matter of random xenophobia but historical rivalry similar to Israel and Palestine. At various times in history they have resided under Muslim rule and also fought many wars against them.
 
not rare minerals.


"Ukraine says". yeah you should go right ahead and bank on that.
Perhaps you can tell me what internal studies do they quote to verify that. if it's anything before 1994, yikes. i bet they're quoting soviet numbers.

Rare minerals is a very specific thing. not fucking lithium.


Trump claimed the deal would be worth up to a a trillion $ for the US
 
since you're talking so much bullshit, i made an effort to actually search on USGS, maybe you'll shut the fuck up with your dumb posting. all data are from january 2025.

Ukraine says. however in this USGS study, ukraine appears, but there's no mention of reserves, probably the USGS could not take them seriously.

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Funny, USGS doesn't even mention Ukraine in the deposit list. like, there's like 6 other euro countries mentioned but not Ukraine. surprising eh, for "a third of all deposits"?

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Horseshit. it has nothing. it's not even mentioned among the top producers of the world, or top resources.

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It's not getting any from Ukraine, cause ukraine has none. i don't even undrstand what the fuck this deal is about. america has a shitload more of anything ukraine could offer. you'd be better off if you'd sign a deal for the best ten thousand hookers in the country. that would actually be a good deal.


in conclusion. you don't know anything about the subject and should shut up and go away.

Ok. Then Trump's has been beating his chest about making a worthless deal then.

It's one or the other, so you you chose.
 
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