International Vance, Zelensky, Trump argue in front of press

[Cajun]

You getting a rifle or just waiving your big balls around while other people die? Those people are conscripted btw.

I'm hoping for a peace deal. What are you hoping for?

 

[Cajun]

I can't post the link but Doocy from Fox is reporting that their will be no mineral deal until Zelensky goes in front of a camera and makes a public apology.

Ugh... just come on.

 

[Hog-train]

Feel free to let me know when you come up with a method to count people that have successfully evaded authorities, I'm sure the administration would like to know as well.

1. Articles at most mainstream media outlets were clearly reporting that the vast majority of Venezuelan migrants have been using unlawful border crossings as opposed to submitting themselves at legal ports of entry.

CBS: Politics Record number of Venezuelan migrants crossed U.S.-Mexico border in September, internal data show

"U.S. policies fail to deter Venezuelans. The record arrivals of Venezuelans have occurred despite Biden administration policies designed to discourage Venezuelans from entering the U.S. without authorization by offering them opportunities to enter the country legally."

"Venezuela's refusal to accept U.S. deportations and Mexico's decision to only accept a limited number of Venezuelans means most of them are released from federal custody near the border. From there, many head to Democratic-led cities like New York and Chicago that are already strained by the arrival of tens of thousands of migrants."

2. Those that cross illegally and disappear eventually have to pop up because most can't survive without work authorizations. And they will also eventually apply for asylum.

 

[Seano]

First guy, a Ukrainian living in the US, says Americans should go to Ukraine to fight.

Why is he here then?

 

[cincymma79]

I'm hoping for a peace deal. What are you hoping for?

You just said resist Russia, did you mean not liking their Facebook page?

 

[Cajun]

You just said resist Russia, did you mean not liking their Facebook page?

And I asked you what are you hoping for?

 

[Rational Poster]

1. Articles at most mainstream media outlets were clearly reporting that the vast majority of Venezuelan migrants have been using unlawful border crossings as opposed to submitting themselves at legal ports of entry.

CBS: Politics Record number of Venezuelan migrants crossed U.S.-Mexico border in September, internal data show

"U.S. policies fail to deter Venezuelans. The record arrivals of Venezuelans have occurred despite Biden administration policies designed to discourage Venezuelans from entering the U.S. without authorization by offering them opportunities to enter the country legally."

"Venezuela's refusal to accept U.S. deportations and Mexico's decision to only accept a limited number of Venezuelans means most of them are released from federal custody near the border. From there, many head to Democratic-led cities like New York and Chicago that are already strained by the arrival of tens of thousands of migrants."

2. Those that cross illegally and disappear eventually have to pop up because most can't survive without work authorizations. And they will also eventually apply for asylum.

Okay, and?

My whole point is there's no way to know how many are successfully evading authorities as they happen.

 

[Hog-train]

Okay, and?

My whole point is there's no way to know how many are successfully evading authorities as they happen.

Your entire point was that Trump's immigration policies has led to more unlawful crossings as opposed to them going to legal ports of entry.

My point is that this is completely untrue. They've been unlawfully crossing in large numbers way before Trump got into office. The majority of the Venezuelans got in that way.

 

[Whippy McGee]

Update:

Zelensky said Sunday night the end to his country's now three-year war with Russia is still, "very, very far away. I think our relationship (with the U.S.) will continue, because it’s more than an occasional relationship".

Trump slammed Zelensky on Monday and said his remarks show that he doesn't want peace.

"It is what I was saying, this guy doesn’t want there to be Peace as long as he has America’s backing and, Europe, in the meeting they had with Zelenskyy, stated flatly that they cannot do the job without the U.S. – Probably not a great statement to have been made in terms of a show of strength against Russia. What are they thinking?"


It's time for the U.S. to move on from Ukraine and wish them the best of luck. Zelensky can go call other leaders "bitch" and see how that works out for him. The U.S. gets nothing but massive economic losses... we can apply our treasures internally and have far better results.

 

[cincymma79]

And I asked you what are you hoping for?

A peace deal which ain’t going to be Ukraine keeping the same borders they had before 2014, to be realistic. To the warmongers, this means less Russian deaths too.

 

[Rational Poster]

Your entire point was that Trump's immigration policies has led to more unlawful crossings as opposed to them going to legal ports of entry.

My point is that this is completely untrue. They've been unlawfully crossing in large numbers way before Trump got into office. The majority of the Venezuelans got in that way.

I mean, this isn't even true at all, of the over ~700,000 Venezuelan migrants over 600,000 entered legally through the TPS program. There is just no reality that exists where ~100,000 Venezuelans make up any significant portion of the illegal migrants in the country.

I never claimed migrants never entered illegally, only that Trump's policies are going to encourage more to enter illegally including those who would have previously entered through legal channels.

 

[USA!USA!]

OMG... The EU is finally acting instead of relying on the US?

Wow... What a horrible development. lol

Honestly... Many of the countries in the EU are starting to act a little Russia like

Isn't arresting people for saying "wrong" words is a thing Putin would do.

The problem with this is that they are reacting based on fear.. fear of the US. Fear of instability and uncertainty.

It is not good, constructive change. It is the type based on fear, which ruins relationships and alliances, and alienates you.

You may see it as a positive, but it's really not at this point. Hopefully the relationships are patched.. but based on the rhetoric I've seen, I'm not sure it will be in this administration.

 

[TheGreatA]

How so?

Out of control illegal immigration, massive crime rates, frequent mass shootings/attacks on civilians, drug and human trafficking, etc. The United States has been the torch bearer in all categories, as far as the West goes. It's only relatively recently that Europe started to follow their "lead".

 

[USA!USA!]

Zelenskyy will come back and sign the mineral deal. This will then start the peace deal with Putin. Having the US and EU in Ukraine will be a major deterrent for Putin. Biden had no contact with Putin for 3 1/2 years. Having a good relationship with Putin isn’t a bad thing ya know. Also China hates this mineral deal, that also is a good thing too. Russia aligning with China was never a good thing and Joe let than happen. Is that enough explanation for you or should I keep going?

It's a bad thing to buddy up with him and openly turn on his opponent - the actual victim of their aggression.

Now, if they want to grow their relationship post war, that is different. I am not against peace.. but lets make it an honest peace. Give Ukraine security, and do not soften on Russia until this thing is over. They don't deserve our country's admiration or pleasantries at this point in time. They ruined the stability of Europe and are reckless and violent.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I can't post the link but Doocy from Fox is reporting that their will be no mineral deal until Zelensky goes in front of a camera and makes a public apology.

like, how is that difficult?
if i were zelenski i'd have a camera in front of me in 5 minutes.
just fucking get it over with who gives a shit
if that's what needed for the country hell yeah i'd do it.
he's an actor too, he can make it sound real good.

here - mr president, i'd like to extend a formal apology to you, vp vance and the american people, the pressure of the last three years got the better of me. America is a great friend and will be for a long time and i want to continue the dialogue towards getting a fair and comprehensive peace. i look forward to discussing with you again and finalizing a solid understanding between our two countries.


there, i literally freestyled it.
swallow the frog, who cares?

 

[Islam Imamate]

I mean both can be true at the same time. Overall numbers could be down, but not by 95% like they're trying to claim just on encounter figures. Yet the number of unaccounted for successful illegal entries are up because why wouldn't they be when the process for willfully encountering law enforcement has basically been abandoned by the current administration.

Illegals can be very paranoid and you don't even have to be to be Trump is serious about mass deportation so I think that alone will lead to a non-negligable decline in border crossings. Not that I approve of Trump's approach mind you.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Out of control illegal immigration, massive crime rates, frequent mass shootings/attacks on civilians, drug and human trafficking, etc. The United States has been the torch bearer in all categories, as far as the West goes. It's only relatively recently that Europe started to follow their "lead".

The immigration problem here is nowhere near as bad, first and foremost because our immigrants from across Central and South America are not prone to terrorism but also because they mostly come here for work.

On the other hand our mass shooter problem is definitely worse.

 

[Bwagster]

It's a bad thing to buddy up with him and openly turn on his opponent - the actual victim of their aggression.

Now, if they want to grow their relationship post war, that is different. I am not against peace.. but lets make it an honest peace. Give Ukraine security, and do not soften on Russia until this thing is over. They don't deserve our country's admiration or pleasantries at this point in time. They ruined the stability of Europe and are reckless and violent.

How do you propose to give Ukraine, peace and security?

 

[USA!USA!]

How do you propose to give Ukraine, peace and security?

Allow them in to NATO or give them more of an explicit written agreement for security as part of the minerals deal.

They don’t want to risk being invaded again in a decade - is that not understandable?

 

[Bwagster]

Allow them in to NATO or give them more of an explicit written agreement for security as part of the minerals deal.

They don’t want to risk being invaded again in a decade - is that not understandable?

Thank God you’re not the president, that would be the start of WW III. That’s one of the main reasons Putin invaded Ukraine. Biden’s week leadership along with threats of Ukraine joining NATO are why Russian troops are in Ukraine.

Where are you getting your news from?