International Vance, Zelensky, Trump argue in front of press

[Rob Battisti]

careful, someone is about to label you a fake centrist.

@Corona has the best take ITT

 

[curryjunkie]

Correct me if I'm wrong

JD Vance was chiming in about diplomacy.

Zelenksy was attempting to explain why you couldn't be diplomatic with Putin

For some reason, JD Vance escalates

Zelenksy is attempting to defend his point, adding that the US may not be feeling the effects of war like Ukraine is, but one day perhaps it can affect them too?

JD Vance gets butthurt and Trump jumps in. All hell breaks loose.

If Zelensky was trying to explain why you cannot be diplomatic with Putin (because he already broke previous agreements), and that a ceasefire without guarantees is meaningless, why did JD Vance get so triggered?

because hes a cunt and was always against helping ukraine..hope this helps..

 

[Substance Abuse]

You sound upset

Please, lol.

Vance ain't gonna treat you like a couch, bro.

 

[Crazy Source]

Putin is so lucky that Trump armed Ukraine prior to his invasion and likely prevented a large amount of the invasion.

Trump admin approves new sale of anti-tank weapons to Ukraine

The Trump administration has approved the $39M sale of defensive lethal weapons to Ukraine, according to two U.S. officials and another source familiar with the plan.

abcnews.go.com

If anything things like this probably caused much more tension in the region and been used by Russia as a reason for invading. I simply don't understand how some of you can on one hand read something like that before the war and then call Trump a Putin puppet.

Wasn't that shipment the same one Trump held up to extort Ukraine? Wasn't that already allocated by Congress?

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Putin is so lucky that Trump armed Ukraine prior to his invasion and likely prevented a large amount of the invasion.

Trump admin approves new sale of anti-tank weapons to Ukraine

The Trump administration has approved the $39M sale of defensive lethal weapons to Ukraine, according to two U.S. officials and another source familiar with the plan.

abcnews.go.com

If anything things like this probably caused much more tension in the region and been used by Russia as a reason for invading. I simply don't understand how some of you can on one hand read something like that before the war and then call Trump a Putin puppet.

They are idiots. Still boils down to Russiagate that they still actually believe.

Trump supplied Ukraine.

He sanctioned nord stream 2

He told Europe not to rely on Russia energy and keep their nuclear plants open

He told NATO countries to pay more for military which they could have been giving to Ukraine and/or would be used to stop Russia from taking all of Europe as they cry about

He sanctioned Iran who is supplying Russia.

He sanctioned China who is giving money to Russia

If anything they should be happy that Trump is getting a peace deal done, because they can continue to suck their thumbs at night and have their mommys whisper to them, “see trump is a Putin puppet because he ended the conflict, yes little one, go to sleep now”

 

[The XL]

America has its own problems to worry about. We don't need to be in stupid wars in perpetuity. Either Zelensky starts acting reasonable considering his situation and options or he can fight the war on his own.

 

[HomeCheese]

Can only speak for myself, and I'm not even a real "lefty", but I'd say my problem is more with HOW they are handling backing out of Ukraine than actually them backing out.

That meeting today was completely unnecessary and only made a mockery of our government and our cherished White House. They obviously planned to ambush Zelenskyy.

Why Trump and Vance thought it would be a good idea to pants Zelenskyy like that in front of cameras is beyond me - it makes the United States look very undignified even if what they are trying to do is good for the country and the world.

If you are not close to an agreement, why even have the guy fucking come there just to get into a near shouting match?

It's embarrassing and exactly the type of disfunction that Russia and China LOVE to see.

Facts.

How can you do that to a man whose country has suffered so badly. Think of all the war crimes committed by the Russians. So shameful to treat someone fighting for his life like that.

 

[MDoza]

Should we ever look for a peaceful relationship with Russia or should we be enemies until the end of time ?

I mean.. based on the foreign policy stances of America for the past 100 years, you’d expect that we would only look for peaceful relations if they commit to democracy.

It’s hard to understand why Trump thinks authoritarian communist dictators are his friends and allies.

If Democrats had rolled over and let Russia get everything it wanted out of Ukraine, I’m sure the Republicans would be calling the entire party communist, saying they love communists, they want America speaking Russian and Chinese, society will crumble, etc.

It’s all just very strange how a political party with historically strong anti-communist sentiment is trying to play nice all of a sudden with Russia and China. Trump repeatedly steps over party lines, and for some reason, his constituency just forgets what their party is supposed to represent and goes along with whatever he says.

 

[filthybliss]

Correct me if I'm wrong

JD Vance was chiming in about diplomacy.

Zelenksy was attempting to explain why you couldn't be diplomatic with Putin

For some reason, JD Vance escalates

Zelenksy is attempting to defend his point, adding that the US may not be feeling the effects of war like Ukraine is, but one day perhaps it can affect them too?

JD Vance gets butthurt and Trump jumps in. All hell breaks loose.

If Zelensky was trying to explain why you cannot be diplomatic with Putin (because he already broke previous agreements), and that a ceasefire without guarantees is meaningless, why did JD Vance get so triggered?

Because Vance is a cuck to Trump. He sold out his wife and Children to side with a community that harassed Mitch McConnell’s wife for being a Chinese Spy.

 

[86'd]

I don't care about "logistical and tactical advantages into the ME". Our support of Israel has only made it more necessary to do such a thing. A lot of Arab countries think we are supporting a genocide. We need to stop funding a nation that only gives us enemies and let the Middle East figure things out themselves. How exactly is giving Arab countries ammunition by claiming we are sponsoring religious and ethnic genocide a "logistical and tactical advantage"? How is making enemies of multiple nations a "logistical and tactical advantage"?

I don't care about Ukraine. There are ~56 active wars going on in the world involving 92 countries. Is it up to America to pick the "right" side in each one and support them in perpetuity? Why is Ukraine (and Israel) special in this regard? And isn't picking sides becoming the world's police? I thought it was a popular talking point on the left that we would explicitly try to not do that?

The logistical & tactical advantage isn’t something I made up. It was actually strategically thought out by military think tanks post WWII. If you look at it geographically on a map, you can drop soldiers and supplies off there from the Mediterranean Sea.

We sided with the Jews over the Muslims because Christianity was thought to have a closer shared value system and one more favorable. And since the Jews did supply us with financial support and assisted in the nuclear bomb etc. I agree that western presence there has made a plethora of conflicts though. Christianity is also more open to the idea of a democratic system as we see the Jews use this form of government as well.

You may not care about Ukraine but the rest of the globe does. They have a lot of resources in minerals, the Black Sea has trillions of dollars worth of natural gas, and they have excellent agricultural land. It would be beneficial to support democratic system there as it benefits the citizens that live there, creates a lot of favorable trade partners globally.

This is why a Marxist dictatorship wants control of it and the US just sided with him

Despite claiming to be the party against those type of systems.

Pretty ironic wouldn’t you say?

 

[Corona]

@Corona has the best take ITT

Agreed. My loma/sosa analogy was goated.

 

[therealdope]

I can't wait until Trump and Vance give the same treatment to Bibi. What kind of minerals are in Gaza, or is that prime real estate and tranny belly dancers what they'll be touting as a win?

On sherdog, the answer is always 'the tranny' dancers'.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

No silly, do you think Ukraine should just give up and surrender the territory to Russia?

They should fight as long as they want to. We shouldn't be involved anymore. Our involvement with other nation's affairs probably made this worse from the start.

 

[Substance Abuse]

Agreed. My loma/sosa analogy was goated.

Salido was a scumbag, lol

 

[calavera2]

Right now is the perfect time for the democrats to own the chuds. They are clearly more aligned with Zelenksy than Trump. They should all troll the hell out of Trump by going to Ukraine and fighting for Zelenky on the front lines. That would embarrass the shit out of dRump and they would get a lifetime supply of virtue signal points. I'm sure with 70 million rage filled, blue haired, purse swinging soldiers at Ukraine's disposal, Russia will be conquered swiftly and decisively.

Yhea and Trump could own the libs alot more by gargling putins balls some more while getting pegged by kim jung un...hyuk hyuk hyuk

 

[Crazy Source]

America has its own problems to worry about. We don't need to be in stupid wars in perpetuity. Either Zelensky starts acting reasonable considering his situation and options or he can fight the war on his own.

America is capable of doing more than one thing at a time, you simpleton.

 

[Lycandroid]

Yeah it makes complete sense at this point in history for the US to suddenly decide to make friends with Russia just after they have invaded a fucking nation.

Jesus fucking Christ the Russian bot is malfunctioning

How many invasions has the US engaged in and how many allies do we have ?

I just want to say this again. THERE IS NO PEACE DEAL. All that's happened so far is the US and Russia have agreed to reestablish diplomatic relations so they can actually start talking to each other. No negotiations of any sort have taken place yet, all they've done so far is agree to talk.

So then everyone crying about Putin appeasement please stfu and put on a new pair of panties. You either want peace or you don't.

Get fucked dipshit...this ain't nothing new...this type of appeasement diplomacy has a long record

What's the alternative ? Another world war ?

The US is friends with dozens of nations that used to be enemies before, you talk as if it was the US the unreasonable side of the equation.

But like most Putin cocksuckers, you want the US to bend over backwards to please Russia, Russia doesn't has to do shit, they are a force of nature, they have zero agency, like a wild beast who is provoked by America.

Did ever occur to you people just want and end to the war ? Anything else is Putin cocksucking

I wouldn't be bending over for them. What do we get out of propping up Russia?

Peace but how exactly is this propping up Russia ?

I mean.. based on the foreign policy stances of America for the past 100 years, you’d expect that we would only look for peaceful relations if they commit to democracy.

It’s hard to understand why Trump thinks authoritarian communist dictators are his friends and allies.

If Democrats had rolled over and let Russia get everything it wanted out of Ukraine, I’m sure the Republicans would be calling the entire party communist, saying they love communists, they want America speaking Russian and Chinese, society will crumble, etc.

It’s all just very strange how a political party with historically strong anti-communist sentiment is trying to play nice all of a sudden with Russia and China. Trump repeatedly steps over party lines, and for some reason, his constituency just forgets what their party is supposed to represent and goes along with whatever he says.

You have to play nice if you want peace, it's so unbelievably simple why can nobody grasp this. Whomever you want peace with you must appease in some way. All this appeasing Putin=cock sucking is insanity. All sides in any conflict need to be appeased for the conflict to end peacefully, any other outcome is death, it's just a question of who.

 

[KOByFootStomp]

Hopefully this is true, Ukraine needs to rid themselves of this midget dictator. Zelenksy had Biden by the balls because of Biden's corruption in Ukraine, now that we have a real leader in the US, Zelenksy needs to fall in line.

 

[Scheme]

So you're saying two carriable defensive anti-tank missile launchers is the reason Putin invaded?

@Madmick is right, you really are scum.

I have you ignored but I showed ignored posts for this one page to see another reply. Maybe it's better than Obama, who REJECTED sending weapons to Ukraine AFTER Crimea:

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/obama-ukraine-russia-putin-219783

Critics like Corker say that Obama’s actions have failed to live up to his rhetoric, which casts Russia’s presence in Ukraine as a grave threat to European security. Obama has rejected calls from several top advisers to provide Ukraine with weapons to fight off Moscow-backed separatists.

I guess that means Obama is a Russian puppet right?

Or maybe it's Trump who signed off on weapons that Obama refused to (after Crimea), was ruthlessly investigated and completely exonerated during Russia-gate and whose conversations were spied on during his campaign. Even after all that, people like yourself continue to spew irresponsible rhetoric only because your side is the one spewing it. That's the only reason bud, you are a democrat hack and you will regurgitate anything they say. I actually call out Trump and the right for many things, including in this thread. But you will never do so against the left because you are on a team.

 

[Corona]

Correct me if I'm wrong

JD Vance was chiming in about diplomacy.

Zelenksy was attempting to explain why you couldn't be diplomatic with Putin

For some reason, JD Vance escalates

Zelenksy is attempting to defend his point, adding that the US may not be feeling the effects of war like Ukraine is, but one day perhaps it can affect them too?

JD Vance gets butthurt and Trump jumps in. All hell breaks loose.

If Zelensky was trying to explain why you cannot be diplomatic with Putin (because he already broke previous agreements), and that a ceasefire without guarantees is meaningless, why did JD Vance get so triggered?

Reminds me of that scene from American gangster where a prime coked out Cuba gooding Jr welcomes Denzel into his club, Denzel voices some concerns about their business and then CGJR goes off on some unhinged rant. Pretty much the explosive equivalent imo.