International Vance, Zelensky, Trump argue in front of press

[Deorum]

How do you have the audacity to think this is about cutting costs.

The Audacitar! In any case, the electorate has undeniably grown weary of You Crane, Sherbro. Mike Lee has seen enough and is now advocating for the policy priorities prescribed by @Rob Battisti.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

The Audacitar! In any case, the electorate has undeniably grown weary of You Crane, Sherbro. Mike Lee has seen enough and is now advocating for the policy priorities prescribed by @Rob Battisti.

I highly doubt the US would be willing to give up it's key role in worldwide politics but we'll see what happens.

 

[86'd]

Trump...you were brought in to hack away at the deficit. Not increase it.

 

[Crazy Source]

The Audacitar! In any case, the electorate has undeniably grown weary of You Crane, Sherbro. Mike Lee has seen enough and is now advocating for the policy priorities prescribed by @Rob Battisti.

You are much smarter than splaying out a bunch of links.

 

[Islam Imamate]

They didn't do this before the war. All the LNG and Mining was there.

Ukraine has been producing LNG since at least Soviet era and I don't think it's clear if they even have significant rare earth minerals.

I definitely do agree that the arguing was pointless. Trump went 90% in the meeting executing well and then failed because he tried to back up Vance.

It was an incredibly embarrassing display for anyone who cares about America's image on the world stage and in the eyes of our allies.

 

[Cajun]

I highly doubt the US would be willing to give up it's key role in worldwide politics but we'll see what happens.

Me as well.

 

[Cajun]

Ukraine has been producing LNG since at least Soviet era and I don't think it's clear if they even have significant rare earth minerals.

It was an incredibly embarrassing display for anyone who cares about America's image on the world stage and in the eyes of our allies.

I'm not talking about whatever you looked up I'm talking about his comments in the press conference. Trump said the US does not have any interest in LNG currently but I'm thinking brokering companies to go over there and develop it further maybe the key. I can't answer for the rare earth minerals. If there are none then there's no point in making a deal

 

[Islam Imamate]

You are much smarter than splaying out a bunch of links.

Twitter spamming has replaced actual argumentation here. When I post from my phone the tweets don't load unless I open them in a new tab which makes it extra annoying.

 

[Hog-train]

it promised "security assurances," not guarantees -- deliberately vague language that avoided a binding military commitment like nato’s article 5. we insisted on "assurances" over "guarantees" during negotiations, very wary of legal obligations that might drag us into this direct conflict. it was a sticking point and it was argued.

the memorandum only commits signatories to "seek immediate UN security council action" if ukraine is threatened, which the us has done through resolutions and sanctions. I'd argue our 175 billion and sanctions shows a very purposeful response.

The only thing that the US agreed to do as far as I can tell is to not invade or intimidate and to give them non military aid. We have lived up to our part of that bargain and then some. A promise of defense is not given through an implication when you are crafting a written agreement.

"Implied" and fifty cents is worth about a bag of chips.

Well, probably not anymore. Maybe a buck fifty.

While it's true they didn't give a concrete security guarantee, they did give security assurances.

But now what they're doing is trying is the complete polar opposite. The US is trying to strongarm Ukraine into giving up defending itself. Remember that Russia is still heavily attacking Ukraine in the east right at this moment.

The US is acting like Ukraine is not it's ally but rather Russia. And at the same time, trying to rip them off with this minerals deal.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm not talking about whatever you looked up I'm talking about his comments in the press conference. Trump said the US does not have any interest in LNG currently but I'm thinking brokering companies to go over there and develop it further maybe the key. I can't answer for the rare earth minerals. If there are none then there's no point in making a deal

You can do all that and more with a free trade deal but of course Trump is against those, hence trying to shake down an ally in their time of need.

 

[Cajun]

You can do all that and more with a free trade deal but of course Trump is against those, hence trying to shake down an ally in their time of need.

As far as I know this is just until the debt is paid. From what I know we are supplying Equipment Technology and personnel and they are supplying workers as well which will apply to jobs in Ukraine. I think overall as long as it's pretty straight forward it's a good deal. Just a free trade deal does not apply security. That's part of this and a deterrent for Russia our investment and our people there

 

[Crazy Source]

Twitter spamming has replaced actual argumentation here. When I post from my phone the tweets don't load unless I open them in a new tab which makes it extra annoying.

I avoid gifs and links for the very reason that it stunts conversation. Hands on the ground, digging in the dirt is the way I want to be found, with a wry smile.

 

[Andy Capp]

Zelensky did not reject the deal. He did an interview after where he said he's happy to come back to the table any day. I think it was the last bit of the press conference that messed this up a little bit. He says he wants to get this deal done and it's a good deal for Ukraine and the US.

I'm not blaming democrats for anything. I'm just simply pointing out that the resistance to any deal was typical politics and I expected it.

Nothing against you in particular, my friend, but OMFG for the four hundred and seventy sixth fucking time there was no fucking deal already. Zelensky was there to negotiate and instead he was given an ultimatum by a couple of gangsters. GAH!

Edit: Trump thought he was pulling the "I'm going to give hm an offer he can't refuse," and found he was across from someone with principles.

 

[Cajun]

Nothing against you in particular, my friend, but OMFG for the four hundred and seventy sixth fucking time there was no fucking deal already. Zelensky was there to negotiate. GAH!

He has seen the deal bud and I'm going by the interview that I posted in the link. There may be a little more negotiation but ultimately he's on board even according to him. And no worries. Never offense taken brotha

 

[Death By Samson]

While it's true they didn't give a concrete security guarantee, they did give security assurances.

These are the security assurances that were agreed upon. There is nothing here that even remotely binds the US into defending the Ukraine or even arming them for that matter. The US has lived up to it's "security assurances".

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

According to the three memoranda, Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively removing all Soviet nuclear weapons from their soil, and that they agreed to the following:

1. Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act).
2. Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against these countries, except in cases of self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
3. Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
4. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
5. Not to use nuclear weapons against any non–nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state
6. Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.<a

 

[Rob Battisti]

The Audacitar! In any case, the electorate has undeniably grown weary of You Crane, Sherbro. Mike Lee has seen enough and is now advocating for the policy priorities prescribed by @Rob Battisti.

You just love to see it.

“Don’t you care about Europe?”

“Does Europe care about us?”

 

[Death By Samson]

You just love to see it.

“Don’t you care about Europe?”

“Does Europe care about us?”

I just saw a European politician saying something like "500 million Europeans need 300 million Americans to defend them from 150 million Russians. Someone please explain that to me."

 

[Islam Imamate]

I avoid gifs and links for the very reason that it stunts conversation. Hands on the ground, digging in the dirt is the way I want to be found, with a wry smile.

I like to cite links but I'm under no illusion that the average poster reads them.

As far as I know this is just until the debt is paid. From what I know we are supplying Equipment Technology and personnel and they are supplying workers as well which will apply to jobs in Ukraine. I think overall as long as it's pretty straight forward it's a good deal.

You can do all that and more with a free trade deal but again Trump is against that so instead he decides to shake Zelensky down in his time of need, that is not going unnoticed by our allies.

Just a free trade deal does not apply security. That's part of this and a deterrent for Russia our investment and our people there

That's where NATO membership should come into play but since POTUS is a Putin sympathizer he would never consider that most obvious and effective of solutions.

 

[Crazy Source]

I'm not talking about whatever you looked up I'm talking about his comments in the press conference. Trump said the US does not have any interest in LNG currently but I'm thinking brokering companies to go over there and develop it further maybe the key. I can't answer for the rare earth minerals. If there are none then there's no point in making a deal

Nobody can trust his word. He is a fucking child on the world's stage.

 

[Crazy Source]

What the fuck are you talking about. I live in Illinois.

Sincere apology, brother. I mean that. So, are you a Cubbies fan or Sox?