Usman Nurmagamedov in the UFC

[moosaev]

if you go by overall skillset, athletic ability, Khabib is the least talented. On Mental aspects, he is goat level though.
You can question that Usman is more talented than Umar, that's totally fine, I am simply relaying what his coaches that see him daily have been repeating for years now. Usman is a better athlete than Umar, just visually, also as a traditional martial artist myself, I can tell you that he is more fluid as a traditional martial artist than Umar too. He is definitely the more talented fighter in my eyes, however talent is paradoxical and can be a detriment sometimes, and is not always the stamp for success.

You're way off base, Khabib's athletic ability was bananas. His speed and athleticism was next level, look at how fast and explosive his takedown shots were. it's one thing that makes him better than Islam who isn't really a fast twitch guy.

 

[swizztony]

You're way off base, Khabib's athletic ability was bananas. His speed and athleticism was next level, look at how fast and explosive his takedown shots were. it's one thing that makes him better than Islam who isn't really a fast twitch guy.

It goes both ways though, Islam is much more fast twitch than khabib when it comes to striking

 

[moosaev]

It goes both ways though, Islam is much more fast twitch than khabib when it comes to striking

Disagree, islam has better timing and technique, but Khabib still has faster hands. Watch his strikes vs Conor and Poirier, they were blazing quick.

 

[kingmob6]

You're way off base, Khabib's athletic ability was bananas. His speed and athleticism was next level, look at how fast and explosive his takedown shots were. it's one thing that makes him better than Islam who isn't really a fast twitch guy.

no it isn't. He is actually quite slow and cumbersome in some aspects. Takedown speed is just repetition and technique, his takedowns weren't particularly fast, he did a lot of work in the clinch. Also, after brutal back and knee injuries, he changed his takedown game completely and became a bit more athletically challenged. If you said his cardio and strength were next level, I would buy that, but speed and explosive ability are not A-level athlete type. Islam is a much more of a fast twitch guy than Khabib will ever be.

 

[swizztony]

Disagree, islam has better timing and technique, but Khabib still has faster hands. Watch his strikes vs Conor and Poirier, they were blazing quick.

Hands I agree, but when it comes to kicking I could never imagine khabib landing that fast ass head kick Islam landed on volk. That may just be because he has relatively shit leg dexterity compared to Islam

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Those guys came up in the UFC and evolved over several years vs that level of competition. They had 9-10 wins before a title fight over several years. You could see them vs different level of competition as they evolve fight by fight. The difference with Usman is that he's already established himself as a champion and would come into the UFC facing the best fighters, but he wouldn't have that foundation that Khabib and Islam have. The fighters he's fought against are not that level of whom Khabib and Islam developed with. And I am sure you know that majority of fighters who go up against top 5-10 opponents on the regular have even records, for the excption of a handful of fighters.

If we're talking about Usman coming in now and taking 4-5 fights and moving up the ranks, I am sure he would do very well once he got into the top 5. But if you throw him in there vs the best guys, that's gonna difficult.

I don't think he needs 4 or 5 fights to move into the rankings. 1 or 2 wins he'd be ranked in an aging, battle worn division. It's not to hard to see him picking up the wins needed to push into title contention.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

I'm sorry but i have to question whether Usman really is more talented than Umar. I think the jury is out on that. Out of that entire group Khabib is the most naturally talented followed by Umar imo.

Personally I believe Khabib is the least naturally talented and athletic wise at the bottom. I think his work ethics, drive and will to succeed are his best assets.

 

[mkt]

Usman - 5'11
Arman - 5'7

But Usman is the jacked manlet, OP, right?

Jacked, roided manlet, to be precise.

 

[mkt]

You just wrote a bunch of complete non sense and wishful thinking. Thank you!!

Two guys who have never faced anyone who's close to a top LW are 3 in the world. Okay buddy.

Here is an idea, beat an actual top LW, then you can talk.

Yep, Usman has spent most of his career beating guys that Chandler beat like 5 to 7 years ago (old Bendo, Primus, etc.). The same Chandler who's 3-4 in the UFC. Usman is younger and I think he'd do better than Chandler, but we'd have to see him face some top guys first to find out.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Personally I believe Khabib is the least naturally talented and athletic wise at the bottom. I think his work ethics, drive and will to succeed are his best assets.

Khabib has insane stamina. He cuts a ton of weight and still never gets tired despite having a very grueling style.

That's definitely genetic, and it's more useful for fighting than any of Makhachev's attributes.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Khabib has insane stamina. He cuts a ton of weight and still never gets tired despite having a very grueling style.

That's definitely genetic, and it's more useful for fighting than any of Makhachev's attributes.

I think it's the bi product of life long training.

 

[Hassan Mouzine]

The fighter's resume isn't the end all be all. Did you not realize Islam was a top LW until he finished Oliveira? His resume got clowned left and right prior to that.

dont even bother with that guy

alot of posters want to hold on to their opinion or completely lack the eye to see actual talent and skill. It was so completely clear that both Khabib and Islam were world class fighters that would/could become champ.....very early in their carreers. Same with a guy like Shavkat. High caliber fighters....skilled to the teeth. But haters will say that they havent beaten anybody bla bla bla. While a guy like Jhonny Walker got deemed the Jones dethroner because he looked flashy and got a couple of ko's.....while completely ignoring the holes in his game.

Even more so when fighters are not in the UFC. Wins outside of the UFC dont get acknowledged, even if displayed with skill. Sometimes those kind of posters just want to see wins 'vs top 5 or top 10 opponents' and sometimes they just dont like the fighter and want to have a strong grip on their opinion.

- shavkat hasnt beaten anybody
- usman and umar havent beaten anybody
- khabib was unproven because he beat iaqinta for the title
- Islam got tko'ed
- they havent faced wrestlers


bla bbla. The win by Usman is obviously a very good win and Usman is very very very skilled. But you can debate this for hour on end and untill he has a UFC title around his waist, you will hear bs.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

I think it's the bi product of life long training.

many people have had life long training.

 

[bng]

usman vs. israel is next i guess

 

[JKS]

I don't think he needs 4 or 5 fights to move into the rankings. 1 or 2 wins he'd be ranked in an aging, battle worn division. It's not to hard to see him picking up the wins needed to push into title contention.

4-5 fights to get a title shot.

 

[JKS]

Yep, Usman has spent most of his career beating guys that Chandler beat like 5 to 7 years ago (old Bendo, Primus, etc.). The same Chandler who's 3-4 in the UFC. Usman is younger and I think he'd do better than Chandler, but we'd have to see him face some top guys first to find out.

No doubt. I think he's a very good talent and would do well in the UFC as long as he's developed the right way. I'd like to see him vs guys like Turner, BSD, RDA, those would be good tests to start.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

It looks like team abdulmanap have the number 1 and 2 in the lightweight division right now.

If he moved over to the UFC, do you guys think he'd clear the division out?

The only one I can see giving a challenge to Islam/Usman is Arman. But most likely Usman uses his kicking game to dominate him as he's a jacked manlet.

Islam/Usman would be similar to aljo/merab, with Islam getting the big money fights and Usman acting like his bodyguard, clearing out the top 10.

Wouldn’t clearing out the division include beating Islam? What a weird question. Merab would have beaten Aljo.

 

[humdizzle]

he's beat good guys... but come on its bellator. brent primus is 39 lol.

i've never heard of alex 'sean shelby' shabliy

 

[mkt]

he's beat good guys... but come on its bellator. brent primus is 39 lol.

i've never heard of alex 'sean shelby' shabliy

Yeah, and what's Primus' best win? A totally washed Bendo who's 40? Clay Collard Greens?

 

[Joinho10]

usman vs. israel is next i guess
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