International US seized oil tanker off Venezuelan coast

Was just going to post that the solution for these smugglers was so simple all along...all they have to do is paint some crude Russian flag on their ship and suddenly the US Coast Guard captains turn into Kash Patels...."where did that ship go?"


Conflicting claims of nationality makes a vessel "assimilated to stateless" class which makes them an open target for any nation to assert authority if the folks giving the orders so choose.

Just because this may have worked for whatever reason in this incident...bad idea for every random to try...
 
I do not think oil is an existential security issue for the U.S., the US has capitalized on very little Iraqi oil, even though it’s easy to refine and easily assessable. Venezuelan oil is heavy crude and while the Gulf Coast can refine this type of oil, it’s not currently in a state of concern regarding crude oil availability. Several other countries in South America can ship crude with less fuss than what’s happening in Venezuela.

The US is the largest oil producer and uses much less than it refines. Sure, strategically is it important to maintain a disruption free source of oil? Yes, that affects the entire world. Has oil been a security concern since 1970? No.

I think some people need to consider agendas a little deeper than oil with regards to Iraq and Venezuela.

It's not about our oil security as we're self sufficient.

It's about China's access to oil in our backyard. China was trying to control and develop Venezuela's oil fields and give them weapons.

Also, Venezuela was trying to annex Guyana's oil reserves.
 
It's not about our oil security as we're self sufficient.

It's about China's access to oil in our backyard. China was trying to control and develop Venezuela's oil fields and give them weapons.

Also, Venezuela was trying to annex Guyana's oil reserves.
I’d argue Iran and Russias involvement in Venezuela was a higher priority than China, though all 3 are unwelcome in the western hemisphere by the US.

I think Iran may be the most critical factor, trump hates Iran with a sincere passion.

That aside, I just think trump literally citing the oil over and over again is a bad look. It’s affirming the beliefs that the US would just invade a country based on its oil. Obviously everyone thought that was why we went to Iraq and, the numbers don’t lie, America has exploited very little Iraqi oil. Like trickle at best.

I guess trump and administration think Americans cannot handle the truth so literally tell them what they already think…
 
I’d argue Iran and Russias involvement in Venezuela was a higher priority than China, though all 3 are unwelcome in the western hemisphere by the US.

I think Iran may be the most critical factor, trump hates Iran with a sincere passion.

That aside, I just think trump literally citing the oil over and over again is a bad look. It’s affirming the beliefs that the US would just invade a country based on its oil. Obviously everyone thought that was why we went to Iraq and, the numbers don’t lie, America has exploited very little Iraqi oil. Like trickle at best.

I guess trump and administration think Americans cannot handle the truth so literally tell them what they already think…

Well we're not gaslighting the whole world for a whole year like we did in Iraq by saying they had WMD's.

Trump has literally stated the oil reasons.

TBH I think I'm coming around to saying this was the right move. The Chinese delegation was literally there earlier in the day to discuss oil development and selling them weapons.

There is zero chance in hell it would be a good move to let China get a foothold in our backyard.
 
Well we're not gaslighting the whole world for a whole year like we did in Iraq by saying they had WMD's.

Trump has literally stated the oil reasons.

TBH I think I'm coming around to saying this was the right move. The Chinese delegation was literally there earlier in the day to discuss oil development and selling them weapons.

There is zero chance in hell it would be a good move to let China get a foothold in our backyard.
Lol no he said he was going after Maduro because he was a narco terrorist funneling a lot of drugs into the US and that needed to be stopped. That's why they were blowing up the boats. He needed a stated pretext to go in even though everyone knew it was all bullshit and that it was for regime change and oil.

He tried to gaslight the world and it was a half ass attempt because he just didn't care.
 
Lol no he said he was going after Maduro because he was a narco terrorist funneling a lot of drugs into the US and that needed to be stopped. That's why they were blowing up the boats. He needed a stated pretext to go in even though everyone knew it was all bullshit and that it was for regime change and oil.

He tried to gaslight the world and it was a half ass attempt because he just didn't care.

Yes he did say that but he also stated it was for oil. He said it on live TV.
 
Yes he did say that but he also stated it was for oil. He said it on live TV.
He insinuated it was a sort of "bonus" to going in.

And besides, is it okay to invade another country to take over its resources okay as long as it is the reason stated beforehand? Would it have been okay for the US to invade Irak if they openly admitted it was to take their oil?
 
He insinuated it was a sort of "bonus" to going in.

And besides, is it okay to invade another country to take over its resources okay as long as it is the reason stated beforehand? Would it have been okay for the US to invade Irak if they openly admitted it was to take their oil?

Well we didn't "invade." We just took out the dictator that everyone hates with minimal loss of life.

Is it ok for Maduro to try to annex Guyana's oil reserves which he was actively trying to do? Because Guyana asked us for help (officially) two years ago after Maduro started amassing troops at their border.

If you want to go by your staunch principles, we'd be allowing our #1 adversary, China, to park in our immediate backyard and also continually arm Venezuela in opposition to us. That is a retarded move geopolitically speaking.
 
He insinuated it was a sort of "bonus" to going in.

And besides, is it okay to invade another country to take over its resources okay as long as it is the reason stated beforehand? Would it have been okay for the US to invade Irak if they openly admitted it was to take their oil?
Are we able to produce facts of how much oil benefited the US from Iraq? Actually ,China imports the most oil from Iraq.. I got it, the US is a bunch of bumbling retards but if we wanted their oil, we’d have it.

The Iraqi people literally own their own oil.

Goddamn man it’s been decades and the American people cannot understand we don’t need oil, fuck. The US has been self reliant for years and years.

Y’all need to think a little harder about the motivations to go to Iraq and now Venezuela. I even heard Syria was for the oil, OK…
 
Well we didn't "invade." We just took out the dictator that everyone hates with minimal loss of life.

Is it ok for Maduro to try to annex Guyana's oil reserves which he was actively trying to do? Because Guyana asked us for help (officially) two years ago after Maduro started amassing troops at their border.

If you want to go by your staunch principles, we'd be allowing our #1 adversary, China, to park in our immediate backyard and also continually arm Venezuela in opposition to us. That is a retarded move geopolitically speaking.
So, this isn't about oil? It's about geopolitical influence and control? You started out saying "well at least he's being honest about wanting to invade for their oil" and now you're switching gears to "he's helping Guyana and their oil supply" and "it's to keep China out of South America".

We don't know what is going to happen now. What's USA's plan moving forward? The regime isn't just Maduro, it's their military heavily implanted in running all sectors of their government and economy. Getting rid of Maduro isn't going to change any of that.

I doubt Trump will have the stomach to send his troops and engage in years worth of sending in troops to get real regime change. And if he doesn't do that, China can very easily continue doing business with Venezuela.

Or this might be a signal to China and Russia that the US will be overinvested in South America and therefore greenlights their expansive desires. China can move into Taiwan and Russia can go more aggressively into Ukraine. Africa can shake up too.

This stuff has real world consequences. Trump is in way over his head. A quick military victory like this is insignificant in and of itself, but the medium and long term consequences can be massive.
 
So, this isn't about oil? It's about geopolitical influence and control? You started out saying "well at least he's being honest about wanting to invade for their oil" and now you're switching gears to "he's helping Guyana and their oil supply" and "it's to keep China out of South America".

We don't know what is going to happen now. What's USA's plan moving forward? The regime isn't just Maduro, it's their military heavily implanted in running all sectors of their government and economy. Getting rid of Maduro isn't going to change any of that.

I doubt Trump will have the stomach to send his troops and engage in years worth of sending in troops to get real regime change. And if he doesn't do that, China can very easily continue doing business with Venezuela.

Or this might be a signal to China and Russia that the US will be overinvested in South America and therefore greenlights their expansive desires. China can move into Taiwan and Russia can go more aggressively into Ukraine. Africa can shake up too.

This stuff has real world consequences. Trump is in way over his head. A quick military victory like this is insignificant in and of itself, but the medium and long term consequences can be massive.

"Its to keep China out of Sputh America" - @Hog-train

LOL. Now all of a sudden we are back to soft power and global US influence? Trump had no problem letting USAID food and antibiotics destined for Africa to rot, gifting China a foothold on the continent. Trump also pissed off most of our allies and trade partners - driving them right in to the arms of China.

But totally, Trump is doing this for geopolitical reasons, because he and his administration of Fox News hosts are such competent geniuses.

And lol at "it's not about oil, we are already self sufficient". That has to be the absolute stupidest statement I've ever read. As if capitalism plateaus and all those oil corporations have decided "we have enough product for sale, no use getting more at a significantly reduced cost, when those costs are shouldered by the taxpayers".

It's not ENTIRELY about oil, no, other perks of the job are granting forced loans to Venezuela to pay for the engineering and infrastructure firms we dictate, which of course are repaid with interest, they will be forced to give us their UN vote, and we also get a military base there. It's the same playbook every time - economic extortion.

The sad part is, since loans will need to be serviced by the government, it's usually taken from social programs, which means as usual, the common people will suffer.

It's like me coming over to your house, burning it down, then offering to loan you the money to rebuild it using my construction company - which you will pay me back with interest of course. I will also demand that you use my branded appliances in your home, and, one bedroom must be reserved for me. Who gives a shit if your family starves because of all the loans you are now required to pay me back.
 
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Now Trump wants to seize a Russian flagged tanker bound for Russia.

In Europe.

With Russia watching.


Truly bizarre times.

Now pro Russian MAGA morons pivot AGAIN, this time to Putin Bad?
 
Might get a little interesting, not likely anything big will happen when the US finally secures the tanker, but still

 
So, this isn't about oil? It's about geopolitical influence and control? You started out saying "well at least he's being honest about wanting to invade for their oil" and now you're switching gears to "he's helping Guyana and their oil supply" and "it's to keep China out of South America".

It's about Chinese access to oil.

And geopolitical influence and control. Multiple things can be true at once.

We don't know what is going to happen now. What's USA's plan moving forward? The regime isn't just Maduro, it's their military heavily implanted in running all sectors of their government and economy. Getting rid of Maduro isn't going to change any of that.

I doubt Trump will have the stomach to send his troops and engage in years worth of sending in troops to get real regime change. And if he doesn't do that, China can very easily continue doing business with Venezuela.

The US plan is for new elections. The person who won the last election had to flee due to Maduro.

The hope is that the new government is more amenable to US interests and to kick out all Chinese and Russian agents. If they don't comply, we'll sanction them and blockade their boats so they can't sell oil.

If Venezuela can't sell oil, they're completely fucked and will collapse.

Or this might be a signal to China and Russia that the US will be overinvested in South America and therefore greenlights their expansive desires. China can move into Taiwan and Russia can go more aggressively into Ukraine. Africa can shake up too.

China will move on Taiwan regardless of what happens in Venezuela. That was the plan all along.

Russia is already super aggressive in Ukraine. Venezuela has zero bearing on them. And they do not have the resources to do shit in Africa.
 
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