International US intelligence : Wuhan lab workers were sick in Autum 2019

[MicroBrew]

Reading today that Mike Pompeo is positioning himself for a run at the White House, which explains this latest 'reveal'. [Unscrupulous and aggressive, Pompeo plans to be the next Trump – but smarter]

Without or without Pompeo there would be strong suspicion the virus originated in a lab. It was Cotton, not Pompeo who was the first well known US official to suggest this. There are plenty of folks who are not connected to the Trump admin who also suspect this was a lab leak.

Why is a lab leak considered soo far out, there have been multiple accidental virus leaks from labs. It happened in German and the U.K. , both more technologically advanced than China.

 

[The Audience]

Without or without Pompeo there would be strong suspicion the virus originated in a lab. It was Cotton, not Pompeo who was the first well known US official to suggest this. There are plenty of folks who are not connected to the Trump admin who also suspect this was a lab leak.

Why is a lab leak considered soo far out, there have been multiple accidental virus leaks from labs. It happened in German and the U.K. , both more technologically advanced than China.

Tom Cotton was close to the Trump administration, and acted as a conduit for these lab origin claims that were being voiced by right-wing talking heads. Hes a particularly partisan example, but maybe there were others. That doesnt detract from the lack of scientific plausibility to give these claims credibility.

 

[Letssnuggle]

This was created by China and released onto the world in retaliation of Trumps tariffs.

They willingly allowed their citizens to get onto planes and spread this virus throughout the world.

 

[Octavian]

It's just too big of a coincidence that it started in Wuhan. I don't think it was intentional but it had to have come from the lab.

This

 

[Damien Karras]

The report is fair in sewing doubt over China's negligence and exposing their refractory nature toward a collaborative international investigation. This is about thirty steps away from saying they manufactured this virus for the puposes of world domination, which I know many on this site will jump to conclude.

 

[MicroBrew]

Tom Cotton was close to the Trump administration, and acted as a conduit for these lab origin claims that were being voiced by right-wing talking heads. Hes a particularly partisan example, but maybe there were others. That doesnt detract from the lack of scientific plausibility to give these claims credibility.

This isn't a theory that was just cooked up the Trump admin.


The Wuhan Lab-Leak Hypothesis Goes Mainstream

T his morning, New York magazine unveiled “The Lab-Leak Hypothesis” — Nicholson Baker’s lengthy and detailed exploration of the possibility that the SARS-CoV-2 virus and ongoing coronavirus pandemic is the result of a lab accident in Wuhan, China. Baker goes even further, speculating that the reason this virus is similar to many previously discovered viruses but not quite the same is that it may have been altered through gain-of-function experiments.

In other words, the theory suggests that Chinese scientists wanted to study a particularly dangerous version of an existing virus and thus deliberately accelerated a virus’s process of growth and change to generate a more virulent and contagious version of it. Baker notes that SARS-CoV-2 is similar to other viruses found in nature, but more contagious among humans — and asks whether laboratory efforts might explain what makes SARS-CoV-2 so easily spread

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This patchwork pathogen, which allegedly has evolved without human meddling, first came to notice in the only city in the world with a laboratory that was paid for years by the U.S. government to perform experiments on certain obscure and heretofore unpublicized strains of bat viruses — which bat viruses then turned out to be, out of all the organisms on the planet, the ones that are most closely related to the disease. What are the odds?

The US government funds research in many countries, to benefit society. The lab was Chinese owned , controlled and operated. It was designed and built with technical help from the French

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This is a variation of the question that has confronted the skeptics since the beginning. The city of Wuhan had not one but two laboratories — the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Wuhan Centers for Disease Control — studying coronaviruses that originated in bats. If there were a terrible outbreak of a rare or new virus in Atlanta, Ga., people would understandably wonder if the virus’s local origins had anything to do with the nearby headquarters of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. If someday there is an outbreak of a new, strange, and deadly virus in Frederick, Md., people will understandably wonder if the outbreak has anything to do with the nearby U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick. While it is possible for a naturally occurring virus to coincidentally manifest in the same city as one or more labs known to be researching similar viruses, Occam’s Razor instructs us that when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better.

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Baker is pretty blunt about the fact that many scientists have had these suspicions, or at least concerns, since the beginning of the pandemic, but didn’t want to speak publicly about the possibility of a lab accident while the Trump administration was touting the same idea:

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/01/the-wuhan-lab-leak-hypothesis-goes-mainstream/

 

[Chinballs]

TBH, Sherdog was on top of this same day as it happened. Maybe US intelligence should take notes.

 

[MicroBrew]

TBH, Sherdog was on top of this same day as it happened. Maybe US intelligence should take notes.

 

[koquerelle]

Invade China!

No! The US should repeat the 9-11 plan. Attack a country that wasn't involved. I say bomb Poland!

 

[whaleshark]

Went on Reddit for a second and everyone is saying is “anti China trump propaganda” LOL China shills in full effect I guess.
Fuck Reddit is a cesspool these days


meanwhile in China they lock up anybody who reports on the virus, LoL

 

[MicroBrew]

Went on Reddit for a second and everyone is saying is “anti China trump propaganda” LOL China shills in full effect I guess.
Fuck Reddit is a cesspool these days


meanwhile in China they lock up anybody who reports on the virus, LoL

China has an internet propaghanda unit and scores of Wumao to defend the CCP and attack critics.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

Whether COVID was engineered or not, it has to be acknowledged that bio-weapons were always going to be downfall of free, democratic societies, compared to totalitarian states.

The totalitarian state can survive disease with very limited impact to its processes, whereas the "free state" will be almost entirely crippled by it, and gradually take a turn towards the totalitarian model out of necessity.

If Nazi Germany and USSR still existed, they'd likely just be spamming viruses all over the world in order to gradually convert other societies into accepting their model.

I agree but in this particular case, of a not so deadly virus, it was well managed by asian democracies.
Japan, Taiwan, Korea.
Of course, being an island helps but Japan has 100 million people and busy airports and ports.
I think it showed that Asian discipline can also cope with disasters the West cannot.
The more easy going or rebellious the country the worse.
Italy and Latin America where people don't care and just want to have fun got ravaged.
The US where people despise masks and lockdowns because of big government too. The same with France, where people also do not want to get vaccinated.

 

[TheGreatA]

I agree but in this particular case, of a not so deadly virus, it was well managed by asian democracies.
Japan, Taiwan, Korea.
Of course, being an island helps but Japan has 100 million people and busy airports and ports.
I think it showed that Asian discipline can also cope with disasters the West cannot.
The more easy going or rebellious the country the worse.
Italy and Latin America where people don't care and just want to have fun got ravaged.
The US where people despise masks and lockdowns because of big government too. The same with France, where people also do not want to get vaccinated.

Those societies aren't really built around the idea of "liberty" like many Western societies are, though.

The Japanese and Koreans can get as totalitarian as anybody if it's convenient.

 

[Foots]

China lies all the time

 

[ineverpost]

It's just too big of a coincidence that it started in Wuhan. I don't think it was intentional but it had to have come from the lab.

This is what I think. Likely the initial coverup was attempted by the workers themselves because the penalty for negligent homicide in China is often the death penalty. This is also a likely reason for an initially disjointed response by Beijing. Local governments don't want to come clean to Beijing for the same reason. Ironically, everyone involved in this coverup behavior deserves a severe reprimand like the one they were probably trying to avoid. Not surprisingly, every corporate interest wants to avoid blaming china so the cheap goods keep rolling in.

 

[A Lurker]

2021 is going to be lit AF.

Get Some.

 

[ShinkanPo]

China has an internet propaghanda unit and scores of Wumao to defend the CCP and attack critics.

And they are winnibg big in Asia soon they will have full ecconomic control

 

[Neph]

I doubt we'll ever have concrete answers - people will interpret whatever limited evidence there is to support their preferred hypothesis. China is simply not interested in allowing appropriate access.

 

[The Audience]

This isn't a theory that was just cooked up the Trump admin.


The Wuhan Lab-Leak Hypothesis Goes Mainstream

T his morning, New York magazine unveiled “The Lab-Leak Hypothesis” — Nicholson Baker’s lengthy and detailed exploration of the possibility that the SARS-CoV-2 virus and ongoing coronavirus pandemic is the result of a lab accident in Wuhan, China. Baker goes even further, speculating that the reason this virus is similar to many previously discovered viruses but not quite the same is that it may have been altered through gain-of-function experiments.

In other words, the theory suggests that Chinese scientists wanted to study a particularly dangerous version of an existing virus and thus deliberately accelerated a virus’s process of growth and change to generate a more virulent and contagious version of it. Baker notes that SARS-CoV-2 is similar to other viruses found in nature, but more contagious among humans — and asks whether laboratory efforts might explain what makes SARS-CoV-2 so easily spread

--
This patchwork pathogen, which allegedly has evolved without human meddling, first came to notice in the only city in the world with a laboratory that was paid for years by the U.S. government to perform experiments on certain obscure and heretofore unpublicized strains of bat viruses — which bat viruses then turned out to be, out of all the organisms on the planet, the ones that are most closely related to the disease. What are the odds?

The US government funds research in many countries, to benefit society. The lab was Chinese owned , controlled and operated. It was designed and built with technical help from the French

--
This is a variation of the question that has confronted the skeptics since the beginning. The city of Wuhan had not one but two laboratories — the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Wuhan Centers for Disease Control — studying coronaviruses that originated in bats. If there were a terrible outbreak of a rare or new virus in Atlanta, Ga., people would understandably wonder if the virus’s local origins had anything to do with the nearby headquarters of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. If someday there is an outbreak of a new, strange, and deadly virus in Frederick, Md., people will understandably wonder if the outbreak has anything to do with the nearby U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick. While it is possible for a naturally occurring virus to coincidentally manifest in the same city as one or more labs known to be researching similar viruses, Occam’s Razor instructs us that when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better.

---

Baker is pretty blunt about the fact that many scientists have had these suspicions, or at least concerns, since the beginning of the pandemic, but didn’t want to speak publicly about the possibility of a lab accident while the Trump administration was touting the same idea:

--

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/01/the-wuhan-lab-leak-hypothesis-goes-mainstream/

Obviously this is a very long piece, but reading it quickly, I dont believe that it overcomes the scientific refutations to a lab origin, namely that there is no evidence of manipulation in the genetic sequence of sars-cov-2, and the differences between it and the known virus with highest sequence match occur in a manner typical of natural viral evolution. This suggests that, despite the means to potentially create something like a sars-cov-2 in a lab by the various methods that the article decribes, in this instance, the evidence doesnt support such a scenario, and hence why I would suggest that such claims often draw on indirect evidence to bolster the case.

 

[SBJJ]

I agree but in this particular case, of a not so deadly virus, it was well managed by asian democracies.
Japan, Taiwan, Korea.
Of course, being an island helps but Japan has 100 million people and busy airports and ports.
I think it showed that Asian discipline can also cope with disasters the West cannot.
The more easy going or rebellious the country the worse.
Italy and Latin America where people don't care and just want to have fun got ravaged.
The US where people despise masks and lockdowns because of big government too. The same with France, where people also do not want to get vaccinated.

Asians are a healthier people and they have dealt with coronaviruses far more than Europeans and Americans.

You wanna never have this happen again....then stop people from getting insanely fat and out of shape