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Opinion Tucker Carlson: "Open" to the Flat Earth Theory

There is a lot of conspiracy theories that I entertain, but flat earth has eluded me since it misses the basic pre-requisite of “beneficiary” or “end game”

I don’t know who or what benefits from convincing the world that the earth is round instead of flat.

That’s before you get into all the, ya know, obvious evidence that it isn’t flat.
 
This shit was so laughable just a few years ago now being open to it is something worthy of it praise and defense
 
There is a lot of conspiracy theories that I entertain, but flat earth has eluded me since it misses the basic pre-requisite of “beneficiary” or “end game”

I don’t know who or what benefits from convincing the world that the earth is round instead of flat.

That’s before you get into all the, ya know, obvious evidence that it isn’t flat.

A conspiracy I believe in is that everyone in the flat earth movement is a grifter and theres no one who actually believes the earth is flat just conartists trying to scam other conartists etc.
 
There is a lot of conspiracy theories that I entertain, but flat earth has eluded me since it misses the basic pre-requisite of “beneficiary” or “end game”

I don’t know who or what benefits from convincing the world that the earth is round instead of flat.

That’s before you get into all the, ya know, obvious evidence that it isn’t flat.

It's more about stupid people trying to feel smarter than scientists - no end game, just insecure people grasping at something to feel special

You know, kinda like the vaccine stuff.
 
this is the problem with some people finding out even a single conspiracy theory came true.
Dont lie to people is the lesson. build trust in people. help people. if a government understood this people would be ok.
 
I disagree.

He's not saying "I agree with flat earthers", he's saying he's open to the idea, and not outright dismissing it. (I disagree with him btw)

I think, in this day and age, especially with the amount of disinformation out there from our news sources and government agencies, it's reasonable to question established narratives.
No, I get that he's not saying he agrees. He just knows it's part of his audience and so he doesn't want to risk alienating them. I think that is immoral, though. And I think if people are sincerely concerned with people believing false things, flat Earthers and people who won't outright dismiss them are a much bigger threat than the legitimate news or the BLS or whatever.
 
He said he believes the Earth is round.

I suppose Tucker, for refusing to adopt Leftwad/Establishment beliefs, will be attacked at every turn. He's a threat to the Establishment.
Imagine being so deluded that you think Tucker Swanson McNeal Carlson is a threat to the Establishment. Look up Establishment, and you get a picture of him, and his whole shtick is being a super rich guy who advocates for super rich guys to get a bigger piece of the pie.
 
I disagree.

He's not saying "I agree with flat earthers", he's saying he's open to the idea, and not outright dismissing it. (I disagree with him btw)

I think, in this day and age, especially with the amount of disinformation out there from our news sources and government agencies, it's reasonable to question established narratives.
Maybe Tuck saw how rich Alex Jones got by peddling bullshit, so he is having a go too?

I don't believe that Jones believes the bullshit he peddles.
 
No I don’t mean anyone should be “open to flat earth”. It’s an obviously insane thing to believe. He’s pandering here. But the concept of being open, hearing what there is to consider and then making an informed opinion is important.
I think this would play better from someone who has shown more personal willingness to question received narratives. You guys say serious people should be open to cranks, but never that cranks should be open to reality. For example, I'm confident that if Flat Earthers were seriously open to the mainstream view, that would see that it's obviously correct.
 
Tucker was exposed when we found out he
a) hated Trump and
b) didn't believe the election lies bullshit, but insisted on going along with it because he didn't want the MAGA base to leave Fox and find another media that will tell them what they want to hear.

So it really is ironic for you to accuse @FIMN of consuming media that engages in "manipulation and tribalism". The lies peddled by Tucker and Fox is a quintessential case of manipulation, and the people running to their defense are tribal.

It's ironic that you find it ironic while repeating a false narrative. His texts specifically said "there is no doubt there was election fraud", but that it wasn't some software hack, which is what he said on air, and of course is true.


Like 20% of mail in voters have admitted to fraud or illegal voting of some kind themselves, another 11% said at least 1 friend or family member has admitted to some form of illegal voting, and that isn't counting the additional Biden voters who said they would have voted differently had the Biden laptop not been suppressed.


In a message from November 4, Carlson texted a colleague that there was “no doubt there was fraud” in the election. “But at this point, Trump and Lin and Powell have so discredited their own case, and the rest of us to some extent, that it’s infuriating. Absolutely enrages me.”

A new national telephone and online survey by Rasmussen Reports and The Heartland Institute finds that 21% of Likely U.S. voters who voted by absentee or mail-in ballot in the 2020 election say they filled out a ballot, in part or in full, on behalf of a friend or family member, such as a spouse or child, while 78% say they didn’t. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Thirty percent (30%) of those surveyed said they voted by absentee or mail-in ballot in the 2020 election. Nineteen percent (19%) of those who cast mail-in votes say a friend or family member filled out their ballot, in part or in full, on their behalf. Furthermore, 17% of mail-in voters say that in the 2020 election, they cast a ballot in a state where they were no longer a permanent resident. All of these practices are illegal

Among all voters – not just those who voted by mail – 11% say a friend, family member, co-worker, or other acquaintance has admitted to them that they filled out a ballot on behalf of another person in 2020. Ten percent (10%) have a relative or acquaintance who has admitted to you that they cast a mail-in ballot in 2020 in a state other than their state of permanent residence, and eight percent (8%) say that a friend, family member, or organization, such as a political party, offer to pay or reward them for voting in the 2020 election.

Twenty-five percent (25%) of whites, 35% of black voters, 49% of Hispanics and 41% of other minorities say they voted by absentee or mail-in ballot in the 2020 election. Minority voters are significantly more likely than whites to say they engaged in fraudulent election activities in 2020. For example, whites (3%) are much less likely than black voters (15%), Hispanics (29%) or other minorities (8%) to say someone offered to pay them to vote in 2020.
 
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Is there really a flat earther in the WR?
 
It's ironic that you find it ironic while repeating a false narrative. His texts specifically said "there is no doubt there was election fraud", but that it wasn't some software hack, which is what he said on air, and of course is true.


Like 20% of mail in voters have admitted to fraud or illegal voting of some kind themselves, another 11% said at least 1 friend or family member has admitted to some form of illegal voting, and that isn't counting the additional Biden voters who said they would have voted differently had the Biden laptop not been suppressed.


In a message from November 4, Carlson texted a colleague that there was “no doubt there was fraud” in the election. “But at this point, Trump and Lin and Powell have so discredited their own case, and the rest of us to some extent, that it’s infuriating. Absolutely enrages me.”

A new national telephone and online survey by Rasmussen Reports and The Heartland Institute finds that 21% of Likely U.S. voters who voted by absentee or mail-in ballot in the 2020 election say they filled out a ballot, in part or in full, on behalf of a friend or family member, such as a spouse or child, while 78% say they didn’t. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Thirty percent (30%) of those surveyed said they voted by absentee or mail-in ballot in the 2020 election. Nineteen percent (19%) of those who cast mail-in votes say a friend or family member filled out their ballot, in part or in full, on their behalf. Furthermore, 17% of mail-in voters say that in the 2020 election, they cast a ballot in a state where they were no longer a permanent resident. All of these practices are illegal
Among all voters – not just those who voted by mail – 11% say a friend, family member, co-worker, or other acquaintance has admitted to them that they filled out a ballot on behalf of another person in 2020. Ten percent (10%) have a relative or acquaintance who has admitted to you that they cast a mail-in ballot in 2020 in a state other than their state of permanent residence, and eight percent (8%) say that a friend, family member, or organization, such as a political party, offer to pay or reward them for voting in the 2020 election.
Twenty-five percent (25%) of whites, 35% of black voters, 49% of Hispanics and 41% of other minorities say they voted by absentee or mail-in ballot in the 2020 election. Minority voters are significantly more likely than whites to say they engaged in fraudulent election activities in 2020. For example, whites (3%) are much less likely than black voters (15%), Hispanics (29%) or other minorities (8%) to say someone offered to pay them to vote in 2020.

I don't believe in the US system of "democracy" and don't take elections seriously but none of these questions affirm people voting TWICE. Which is really the only question that matters when proving what you're trying to prove. People voting in place A when they should be voting in Place B is only nominally fraud at best and the same goes for your other examples. Theres still one vote being had which in theory everyone has a constitutional right to that trumps whatever state election law is being broken and said individual votes would likely stand in a court if challenged all the way. Most REAL election iregularities(such as the Tim Canova situation) are the fault of election authorites such as the Secretary of State actual voter iniatated voter fraud is almost non existent. The cost benefit of going from 1 meaningless vote to 2 meaningless votes just doesn't make sense. People who are rigging elections actually require the power to rig elections to make the crime worth the risk.

The racism is just oozing out of that last paragraph.
 
I don't believe in the US system of "democracy" and don't take elections seriously but none of these questions affirm people voting TWICE. Which is really the only question that matters when proving what you're trying to prove. People voting in place A when they should be voting in Place B is only nominally fraud at best and the same goes for your other examples. Theres still one vote being had which in theory everyone has a constitutional right to that trumps whatever state election law is being broken and said individual votes would likely stand in a court if challenged all the way. Most REAL election iregularities(such as the Tim Canova situation) are the fault of election authorites such as the Secretary of State actual voter iniatated voter fraud is almost non existent. The cost benefit of going from 1 meaningless vote to 2 meaningless votes just doesn't make sense.

The racism is just oozing out of that last paragraph.
Now being against voter fraud and bribery is "racist".
[<dunn]

Filling out ballots that aren't yours, paying people to vote for you and voting in a state you don't live in isn't REAL fraud.
 
It's ironic that you find it ironic while repeating a false narrative. His texts specifically said "there is no doubt there was election fraud", but that it wasn't some software hack, which is what he said on air, and of course is true.


Like 20% of mail in voters have admitted to fraud or illegal voting of some kind themselves, another 11% said at least 1 friend or family member has admitted to some form of illegal voting, and that isn't counting the additional Biden voters who said they would have voted differently had the Biden laptop not been suppressed.


In a message from November 4, Carlson texted a colleague that there was “no doubt there was fraud” in the election. “But at this point, Trump and Lin and Powell have so discredited their own case, and the rest of us to some extent, that it’s infuriating. Absolutely enrages me.”

A new national telephone and online survey by Rasmussen Reports and The Heartland Institute finds that 21% of Likely U.S. voters who voted by absentee or mail-in ballot in the 2020 election say they filled out a ballot, in part or in full, on behalf of a friend or family member, such as a spouse or child, while 78% say they didn’t. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Thirty percent (30%) of those surveyed said they voted by absentee or mail-in ballot in the 2020 election. Nineteen percent (19%) of those who cast mail-in votes say a friend or family member filled out their ballot, in part or in full, on their behalf. Furthermore, 17% of mail-in voters say that in the 2020 election, they cast a ballot in a state where they were no longer a permanent resident. All of these practices are illegal
Among all voters – not just those who voted by mail – 11% say a friend, family member, co-worker, or other acquaintance has admitted to them that they filled out a ballot on behalf of another person in 2020. Ten percent (10%) have a relative or acquaintance who has admitted to you that they cast a mail-in ballot in 2020 in a state other than their state of permanent residence, and eight percent (8%) say that a friend, family member, or organization, such as a political party, offer to pay or reward them for voting in the 2020 election.
Twenty-five percent (25%) of whites, 35% of black voters, 49% of Hispanics and 41% of other minorities say they voted by absentee or mail-in ballot in the 2020 election. Minority voters are significantly more likely than whites to say they engaged in fraudulent election activities in 2020. For example, whites (3%) are much less likely than black voters (15%), Hispanics (29%) or other minorities (8%) to say someone offered to pay them to vote in 2020.
No one ever said there wasn't fraud. Because every election has some fraud. The point is there was not enough fraud to make a difference. Bill Barr said as much.

So Tucker saying there was some fraud is not the gotcha you think you have. He was technically true. My point still stands: that Tucker privately admitted there wasn't fraud - like Trump was claiming.

On Nov. 7, 2020, Mr. Carlson told Mr. Pfeiffer that claims about manipulated software were “absurd.” Mr. Pfeiffer replied later that there was not enough evidence of fraud to swing the election.

But during his broadcast on Nov. 9, Mr. Carlson devoted time to various theories, suggesting there could be merit to claims about software manipulation. “We don’t know, we have to find out,” he said.


 
Now being against voter fraud and bribery is "racist".
[<dunn]

Filling out ballots that aren't yours, paying people to vote for you and voting in a state you don't live in isn't REAL fraud.

I don't really care about this but if you vote ONCE it tends to because someone spend meaningful amount of time in 2 states. College students etc.

Like with the Iowa Caucses and New Hamphsire primary it'd be different because a vote in those states is objectively far more valuable(one of my old bosses actually went to jail for that because he was an election worker who felt he should be able to vote in the state he spent most of his time in) than a vote in your home state and those states whole thing is their early primary. But your not talking about that. You are talking about the general election.

In the US laws that wouldn't stand in court are theoretically unenforceable and thus invalid. So theres fraud and then theres "fraud".
 
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