Elections Trump Indicted On 91 Counts

Super_Nintendo said:
pointing out the danger of letting random political hacks decide who's on and off a presidential ballot that will no doubt push the country into a major crisis is "unhinged". right..
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You aren't pointing out shit. Your MO is posting these unprompted, unhinged rants that string together a bunch of your wackadoo interpretations of current events.

So yes, unhinged is right.
 
Darkgsp said:
One of the talking points was that they would refuse to hear it and effectively leave it to the states before this announcement but now this has me thinking they will just make the decision on yes or no. Overall I'm pretty 50/50 on what will happen, I would say water pistol to head type situation that do let him be on the ballot etc due to the conservative majoirty on the court and everbody's favourite judge Clarence.
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sickc0d3r said:
I honestly think a decision for CO here would result in some pretty chaotic elections going forward.

I think they’ll shoot it down, though I’m not sure what the constitutional argument will be. If it’s “the potus isn’t an officer” or something like that, then I guess another form of chaos emerges.
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CatchnShoot said:
If they were going to do that they could have just elected not to hear the case.

I do think they will punt it though, but to congress.

However, my opinion is not based on my view of the law, but rather my view of a compromised Supreme Court.

It would absolutely blow my mind if they get this right.
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I have ZERO faith that this Court has the balls to essentially outright declare that Presidents are exempt from the 14th Amendment, or to suggest that more bureaucracy (via Courts or Congress) is the answer. This leaves open too much of a possibility that Biden simply refuses to leave office. With more Democrats playing politics hardball, Habba threatening Kavanaugh, and Biden's recent scathing statements about Trump, they have to be very careful here. Sure they could have just refused to hear it, but Trump has lost some modicum of favor with the likes of the Federalist Society. This screams, to me, to be more of a symbolic gesture where they will attempt to legitimize the Court by ruling that this is a State issue, in an effort to suggest they ARE ideologically consistent. It would be a fairly political neutral move at a time when the Court is facing increasing scrutiny. They can sort of reject Trump, and sort of uphold Democracy, formally.

That's just a hunch, though. Would it surprise me if they declare Trump God-King? Nope. About the ONLY thing that would surprise me is if they uphold Colorado's ruling and Trump is automatically disqualified from all States. Though given how badly the GOP establishment t wants Haley to be the candidate, it's not impossible. Just highly improbable.

The X-Factor is how comically sh*tty Trump Lawyers are. They will get absolutely shredded in arguments, so it will be plainly obvious that the Judges will rule based on their current biases.
 
Sinister said:
I have ZERO faith that this Court has the balls to essentially outright declare that Presidents are exempt from the 14th Amendment, or to suggest that more bureaucracy (via Courts or Congress) is the answer. This leaves open too much of a possibility that Biden simply refuses to leave office. With more Democrats playing politics hardball, Habba threatening Kavanaugh, and Biden's recent scathing statements about Trump, they have to be very careful here. Sure they could have just refused to hear it, but Trump has lost some modicum of favor with the likes of the Federalist Society. This screams, to me, to be more of a symbolic gesture where they will attempt to legitimize the Court by ruling that this is a State issue, in an effort to suggest they ARE ideologically consistent. It would be a fairly political neutral move at a time when the Court is facing increasing scrutiny. They can sort of reject Trump, and sort of uphold Democracy, formally.

That's just a hunch, though. Would it surprise me if they declare Trump God-King? Nope. About the ONLY thing that would surprise me is if they uphold Colorado's ruling and Trump is automatically disqualified from all States. Though given how badly the GOP establishment t wants Haley to be the candidate, it's not impossible. Just highly improbable.

The X-Factor is how comically sh*tty Trump Lawyers are. They will get absolutely shredded in arguments, so it will be plainly obvious that the Judges will rule based on their current biases.
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The problem I keep alluding to is “insurrection” isn’t a well defined thing that is commonly accepted and understood. Like every state accepts a birth certificate, and everyone knows what an impeachment conviction is. They could rule that the potus is subject to the amendment, but it wasn’t proven an insurrection took place, no?
You make an interesting point I hadn’t really thought of, though (seems obvious now). If they uphold this ruling then we can look at J6 as an example of an insurrection and Trump is toast.
 
CatchnShoot said:
Oh, in other news, the NY Fraud trail had final filings today as well, and now they are asking for $370M and a permaban for Donnie on dealing in Real Estate in NY.... it was $250M in the beginning... did this change, or this is addition to the $250 what changed?

So now Trump is in a full UnTruth spiral... lol... Gonna be a 10 diaper night for Donnie.

So now just final Oral closing arguments, and then it's on to the verdict probably by the end of Jan/1st week of Feb..... 2024 is going to be the year of the verdict.
Shit's coming due Diaper Dandy.
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The $250 million fine was from 2022. They have since revised it up to $370 million:

$168 million is interest that Trump saved through fraud
$152 from the sale of the Old Post Office building in D.C.
$60 million from the transfer of the Ferry Point Golf Course contract

I don't know exactly what the end result will be, but since the judge already ruled Trump committed fraud, it's going to be something substantial.
 
sickc0d3r said:
The problem I keep alluding to is “insurrection” isn’t a well defined thing that is commonly accepted and understood. Like every state accepts a birth certificate, and everyone knows what an impeachment conviction is. They could rule that the potus is subject to the amendment, but it wasn’t proven an insurrection took place, no?
You make an interesting point I hadn’t really thought of, though (seems obvious now). If they uphold this ruling then we can look at J6 as an example of an insurrection and Trump is toast.
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Well, but Colorado has 2 strengths here

1) a lower Court DID rule that Trump incited insurrection
2) they cited a previous SCOTUS ruling as a basis for this ruling

I'm not sure if they can declare J6 was NOT an insurrection or that Trump wasn't sufficiently proven to have at least "given aid or comfort." And if I was advising any of them I wouldnt touch that with a 10 foot pole. What's more murky is the definition of the Presidency. Is it an "office?" Clearly it is, but what type? But this is where they hit a brick wall, because there are other Constitutional disqualifiers used all the time that don't require a bureaucratic ruling.

It's really a sh*tty position for them to be in. That's why I say the slipperiest way out is for them to just go "well we ARE Statists."
 
Sinister said:
Well, but Colorado has 2 strengths here

1) a lower Court DID rule that Trump incited insurrection
2) they cited a previous SCOTUS ruling as a basis for this ruling

I'm not sure if they can declare J6 was NOT an insurrection or that Trump wasn't sufficiently proven to have at least "given aid or comfort." And if I was advising any of them I wouldnt touch that with a 10 foot pole. What's more murky is the definition of the Presidency. Is it an "office?" Clearly it is, but what type? But this is where they hit a brick wall, because there are other Constitutional disqualifiers used all the time that don't require a bureaucratic ruling.

It's really a sh*tty position for them to be in. That's why I say the slipperiest way out is for them to just go "well we ARE Statists."
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Yeah I’m not really sure how scotus is even relevant in this. Seems it’s up to Congress by the language in the amendment.
 
After Trump gets fined, his cult will panic wrestle with "a Trump never pays his debts! You'll never make him pay!"

Problem with this theory is that Trump has unmovable assets in NY. He can't pick up Trump Tower and hide it in Florida...or Moscow. Hopefully after the state seizes it they blow up the Trump Tower sign like this:

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emefer said:
Yeah I’m not really sure how scotus is even relevant in this. Seems it’s up to Congress by the language in the amendment.
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The Maine one is even more complicated because they would have to overrule not only the State Constituton, but the provision in the US Constitution that gives the States control of their own elections. This seems like an even bigger ideological landmine, and a bit like their "Independent State Legislature" theory coming back to bite them in the @ss
 
Sinister said:
I have ZERO faith that this Court has the balls to essentially outright declare that Presidents are exempt from the 14th Amendment, or to suggest that more bureaucracy (via Courts or Congress) is the answer. This leaves open too much of a possibility that Biden simply refuses to leave office. With more Democrats playing politics hardball, Habba threatening Kavanaugh, and Biden's recent scathing statements about Trump, they have to be very careful here. Sure they could have just refused to hear it, but Trump has lost some modicum of favor with the likes of the Federalist Society. This screams, to me, to be more of a symbolic gesture where they will attempt to legitimize the Court by ruling that this is a State issue, in an effort to suggest they ARE ideologically consistent. It would be a fairly political neutral move at a time when the Court is facing increasing scrutiny. They can sort of reject Trump, and sort of uphold Democracy, formally.

That's just a hunch, though. Would it surprise me if they declare Trump God-King? Nope. About the ONLY thing that would surprise me is if they uphold Colorado's ruling and Trump is automatically disqualified from all States. Though given how badly the GOP establishment t wants Haley to be the candidate, it's not impossible. Just highly improbable.

The X-Factor is how comically sh*tty Trump Lawyers are. They will get absolutely shredded in arguments, so it will be plainly obvious that the Judges will rule based on their current biases.
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Fair points man going to be wild election peroid whatever happens.
 
HOLA said:
After Trump gets fined, his cult will panic wrestle with "a Trump never pays his debts! You'll never make him pay!"

Problem with this theory is that Trump has unmovable assets in NY. He can't pick up Trump Tower and hide it in Florida...or Moscow. Hopefully after the state seizes it they blow up the Trump Tower sign like this:

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so trump = nazi?

derangement confirmed?
 
CatchnShoot said:
Oh, in other news, the NY Fraud trail had final filings today as well, and now they are asking for $370M and a permaban for Donnie on dealing in Real Estate in NY.... it was $250M in the beginning... did this change, or this is addition to the $250 what changed?

So now Trump is in a full UnTruth spiral... lol... Gonna be a 10 diaper night for Donnie.

So now just final Oral closing arguments, and then it's on to the verdict probably by the end of Jan/1st week of Feb..... 2024 is going to be the year of the verdict.
Shit's coming due Diaper Dandy.
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he'll probably get hit for around a billion in damages. won't even surprise me at all.
 
Sinister said:
Well, but Colorado has 2 strengths here

1) a lower Court DID rule that Trump incited insurrection
2) they cited a previous SCOTUS ruling as a basis for this ruling

I'm not sure if they can declare J6 was NOT an insurrection or that Trump wasn't sufficiently proven to have at least "given aid or comfort." And if I was advising any of them I wouldnt touch that with a 10 foot pole. What's more murky is the definition of the Presidency. Is it an "office?" Clearly it is, but what type? But this is where they hit a brick wall, because there are other Constitutional disqualifiers used all the time that don't require a bureaucratic ruling.

It's really a sh*tty position for them to be in. That's why I say the slipperiest way out is for them to just go "well we ARE Statists."
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At the end of the day, they can just make up whatever ruling they want. It's the effects of their ruling that actually matter, not the tortured reasoning. They don't need to apply any rationality or consistency to a decision for it to be just as binding as one that is, you know, well constructed.
 
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