International Trump: 25% tariffs on Mexican and Canadian imports will start Tuesday, with ‘no room’ for delay

[djacobox372]

These tariffs have nothing to do with Mexico, Canada, China or any other country. Trump is just infatuated with the robber-baron era in American history, and wants to shift the tax burden onto the poor and middle class so that we can get more billionaires.

When he said "make america great again" people assumed he was talking about post-war US, but he was actually talking about the industrial age before the great depression.

 

[Rod1]

Yeah, they are. Tariffs are to level the playing field. The reason you imposed tariffs was to compete with countries who can produce what you can't for the same price. You are that to us. We've lost so much manufacturing to Mexico for that very reason. Trump is right, Mexico robs us blind and has been for years, then lets your people invade our country with fentanyl to fund their escapades.

No they are not, its called comparative advantage for a reason.

If a country can produce a product at half the price of country and another country can produce another product at half the price, then both countries benefit from trade.

In your leftist vision of the world that's bad and countries should just kill all comparative advantages with tariffs but that's stupid because ultimately consumers will either pay the tariffs or produce at a higher cost which affects purchasing power for everyone.

And this without taking into account that they are being paid with US dollars, what do you think Mexicans or Canadians do with USD which are not legal tender in their countries? they eventually send them back to America in the form of them purchasing American services or exports, or by trading them for local currency to a bank which will use those USD to invest in the US.

 

[Rod1]

You very clearly just parrot stuff you heard on right-wing site

At what point can we call them right wingers? they are spouting import substition bullcrap that its barely one step above full communism.

I mean Trump's trade policy is too much for even Bernie Sanders.

 

[Scheme]

Commie states or states with a lot of State planning create a lot of times cases of overproduction, they tend to proceed to try and dump all the excess production on other countries fucking over established industries not due to an inherent comparative advantage.


For technical reasons, there is not one “absolute” figure for the average tariffs on EU-US trade, as this calculation can be done in a variety of ways which produce quite varied results. Nevertheless, considering the actual trade in goods between the EU and US, in practice the average tariff rate on both sides is approximately 1%. In 2023, the US collected approximately €7 billion of tariffs on EU exports, and the EU collected approximately €3 billion on US exports.

Questions and Answers on the US reciprocal tariff policy

What is the current value of EU-US trade and investment? Total bilateral trade in goods reached €851 billion in 2023. The EU exported €503 billion of goods to the US market, while importing €347 bill

ec.europa.eu

US collects more tariffs on EU exports than viceversa, and both sides for the most part have free trade.



That's another point entirely, if you think tariffs can be used as soft power that's another topic entirely, but you were arguing that tariffs are actually good for the economy.


Not really insults, merely that your points have been argued to death and not really what happens in practice.

Okay so you agree with protective tariffs? Unlike your original post where you said they were "debunked"?

Yes, EU has tariffs on US and we have tariffs on them, to the tune of billions of dollars. So national protective tariffs aren't "debunked" as your original post has mentioned, at least in these government's opinions. Again, you made a claim that something that almost every single country in the world (barring Sudan, Macau (city state), Hong Kong (city state) and Singapore (city state)) disagree with.

I made many such points in my original post. You should actually read it rather than flinging insults. I don't care if other people argue my points. I'm sure many other people argue your points too. And don't act like calling a point "retarded" isn't an insult. Don't be a dishonest hack like others here. I'm trying to elevate the discourse beyond that, but perhaps there's no saving this garbage forum.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Oh hey wassup 51st. Thank you for supporting Trump.


Right??

The 51st state stuff pisses me off but only because we’ve become such a joke over the last 10 years, people are now openly making fun of us and mocking our country.

The more time passes though, the more I realize we’re in this stage because a lot of my fellow countrymen are totally retarded and complacent. They’ll protest pipelines and massive LGN terminals but not mass fraud of the immigration system causing rents to skyrocket.

It’s almost as if Canadians have zero ambition and will just accept sinking into poverty because they’re “‘nice people” pr some shit

 

[evergreenrider]

These tariffs have nothing to do with Mexico, Canada, China or any other country. Trump is just infatuated with the robber-baron era in American history, and wants to shift the tax burden onto the poor and middle class so that we can get more billionaires.

When he said "make america great again" people assumed he was talking about post-war US, but he was actually talking about the industrial age before the great depression.

Isn't the new party line, a new golden age? Thats more ominous then MAGA, imo.

 

[Sinister]

"If the DOW drops 1,000 points in 2 days the President should be impeached immediately." - Donald Trump, November 6, 2012

 

[Rod1]

Okay so you agree with protective tariffs? Unlike your original post where you said they were "debunked"?

Except i didn't responded to a post about "protective" tariffs, but how tariffs are actually good for the economy, which is complete BS.

You are simply moving the goalpost here.

 

[Rod1]

Yes, EU has tariffs on US and we have tariffs on them, to the tune of billions of dollars. So national protective tariffs aren't "debunked" as your original post has mentioned, at least in these government's opinions. Again, you made a claim that something that almost every single country in the world (barring Sudan, Macau (city state), Hong Kong (city state) and Singapore (city state)) disagree with

"socialism is bad you know"
"But most countries have socialized healthcare, therefore all socialism is good"

That's how retarded you sound.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

You are missing two things in your argument. The first is the assumption that the US will get competitive on other things. This would be under the assumption that you have an educated and skilled workforce to compete and with a shrinking government, focus on less education, high inflation and higher cost of labor than other countries how do you get competitive?

Second, in order to be competitive you have to have a workforce and a lot of the workforce is aging. Even in a better economy there were still shortages in labor. So if Trump is trying to invest in America how does he make up those labor shortages?

Excellent points.

Many Americans are lazy, fat, and stupid. Some are old. Some Americans are great. Maybe this will force the other ones to get their shit together.

Complacency and no drive is a problem here.

I wonder if the plan is to import more high achieving people.

 

[Islam Imamate]

These tariffs have nothing to do with Mexico, Canada, China or any other country. Trump is just infatuated with the robber-baron era in American history, and wants to shift the tax burden onto the poor and middle class so that we can get more billionaires.

When he said "make america great again" people assumed he was talking about post-war US, but he was actually talking about the industrial age before the great depression.

That's a good way to put it, would also explain the weird insistence on acquiring new territories like the Panama Canal and Greenland.

 

[rocketskates]

fentanyl is a drug addicts problem. US is full of addicts
don't want to die? stop doing drugs
ive been an addict for 10 years and recently got sober so i know this too well. addicts will blame the world for their own shortcomings.
the fact is crackheads will continue shoving powder up their nose even at the cost of death
and US government is trying the impossible task of stopping the drug dealers instead of sending their kids to rehab. which only mask the problem.

All of my goofy posting and softcore trolling aside; congratulations and I sincerely mean that. Continue to stay the course.

 

[Prutfis]

That will happen during a 100 year pandemic.

That will happen when you have stupid trade policies

 

[MrShady]

The 51st state stuff pisses me off but only because we’ve become such a joke over the last 10 years, people are now openly making fun of us and mocking our country.

The more time passes though, the more I realize we’re in this stage because a lot of my fellow countrymen are totally retarded and complacent. They’ll protest pipelines and massive LGN terminals but not mass fraud of the immigration system causing rents to skyrocket.

It’s almost as if Canadians have zero ambition and will just accept sinking into poverty because they’re “‘nice people” pr some shit

True. Complacency and an extremist Liberal agenda focused on ESG and DEI screwed us.

But also the corporations that own the country. Flood immigration with cheap labour/wages,flood foreign investment in real estate....they're the landlords and the employers.

Pollievre wont be much different unfortunately

 

[Whippy McGee]

That will happen when you have stupid trade policies

oh... so the pandemic had no big impact on the US and World economy.

Thanks for the shit posting.

 

[Scheme]

"socialism is bad you know"
"But most countries have socialized healthcare, therefore all socialism is good"

That's how retarded you sound.

Another low effort poster who doesn't want to debate in good faith, one of many around here. I'll remind myself to ignore your garbage posts, of which you have way too many bud. Perhaps instead of post quantity you should focus on post quality.

 

[Scheme]

Except i didn't responded to a post about "protective" tariffs, but how tariffs are actually good for the economy, which is complete BS.

You are simply moving the goalpost here.

How is protecting an economy not good for an economy? Do you even ask yourself these basic questions before posting, or do you simply post whatever comes to the top of your head?

Stop calling people retarded when you cannot think. I'll be adding you to my ignore list since you refuse to address any of my actual points and just become emotional for no reason.

 

[Rod1]

How is protecting an economy not good for an economy? Do you even ask yourself these basic questions before posting, or do you simply post whatever comes to the top of your head?

Stop calling people retarded when you cannot think. I'll be adding you to my ignore list since you refuse to address any of my actual points and just become emotional for no reason.

Protective tariffs protect an industry.not the economy.

Use your brains a little how higher cost for shit like steel or aluminium improve the economy?

 

[ThaiSexPills]

True. Complacency and an extremist Liberal agenda focused on ESG and DEI screwed us.

But also the corporations that own the country. Flood immigration with cheap labour/wages,flood foreign investment in real estate....they're the landlords and the employers.

Pollievre wont be much different unfortunately

Probably not but we have to try. He’s said a lot of the right things and is at least aware of the issues.

The biggest problem is our economy depends on those cheap wages and high real estate because we produce very little of value and have a low productivity rate compared to the states. I get it though, as a business owner it is so damn difficult in this country. There’s so much red tape, tax and BS. I can only imagine that on a much larger scale.

Canadian culture needs to shift if we’re ever going to all prosper again.

 

[Prutfis]

oh... so the pandemic had no big impact on the US and World economy.

Thanks for the shit posting.

Well it seems that under Trump it did. Under Biden it was all Bidens fault.
Must be nice to live in your 0 accountability bubble where Trump can do no wrong. It was covid, the Democrats or the deep state. Always an excuse