Tinfoil thread: If Francis is considering UFC again allegedly, what if Dana is using a Jones fight to bargain

[Pancake Sprawl]

Mate my comments were a response to another post claiming Francis ran from Jon.

He was the underdog at the time. Jones and the UFC were not.

Francis' financial legacy is now set which affords him the freedom to do whatever he wants with his career without the financial pressure... basically the opposite of where he was at when contracted to the UFC

There'll be a host of reasons when an organisation goes bankrupt, let's not catastrophise by blaming Francis for making what was clearly the right decision at the time. Wouldn't you have done the same thing as him...?

how is it catastrophising or whatever what Francis did? as soon as they signed him their 1m a year tournaments got cut in half, and half their roster wanted out and went to free agency because they say they weren't being given fights. that's 1 hell of a coincidence don't you think?

no, i would've beaten Jon Jones and then left.

come on, it's common sense and obvious that a big reason they're going under is because they severely overpaid for Francis. i'm not saying Francis did it maliciously or whatever you're trying to imply, i'm saying he's a big part of the reason they're going down.

 

[Tweak896]

The UFC is literally starving for big names and unless Frank gets the Deontay Wilder fight his ass is starving as well. It’s the biggest money fight he can get unless Wilder happens

This. Ngannou is out of options without Wilder, which I think they would've booked that match much earlier if there weren't issues for it. People paint Ngannou as some saint figure, but he's a prize fighter.

Boxing door is essentially closed. Sure PFL will pay him millions to fight whatever bum they have lined up, but who knows if they even can get him a fight once a year because they lost their ass the last PPV he did.

UFC is the only money left for Ngannou. He's got Jones and Tom. If he resigns he'll probably have to take a much worse contract than he was offered before he left and it'll lock him down longer.

This is probably the only fight I'd accept not being Aspinall being Jones next fight. However Ngannou hasn't looked the same in years, and in interviews was even talking about how much he was worried about his knees in the Fury match still. He sat back and countered even then. We haven't seen him very mobile since Stipe or Rozenstruik which is over 5 years ago.

 

[JBJ was here]

It’s either come back and look like a greedy diva to people like yourself or get old and broke fighting people no casual fan knows. I think Frank is far more about business than worried about nasty names

If Ngannou were to somehow come back to the UFC, he'd be coming back for a small fraction of what he made boxing and in his sole PFL fight. What's he supposed to make for his "next" PFL fight? $12 million? He'd be very lucky to get $500K/$500K from the UFC because he's been completely exposed as not being any kind of a draw. More likely he'd be getting $300K-400K to lose badly to Jones or Aspinall. It would look more desperate than greedy for him to make a UFC return.

 

[spinup]

Franci$ chose to leave instead of fighting Jon once before, what's different now?

He chose to leave after waiting 3 years for Jones to "bulk up".

 

[GrantB13]

Then Dana would be solidify even more that he's running a clown show by shoving Aspinall aside yet again.

 

[haj02]

The UFC is literally starving for big names and unless Frank gets the Deontay Wilder fight his ass is starving as well. It’s the biggest money fight he can get unless Wilder happens

The money is likely lower than the 8 million it was when he walked away. His fights have been nothing short of disastrous financially since.

 

[Captain Herb]

They should put all three of them in a room and see who walks out

 

[Mind Mine]

If Ngannou were to somehow come back to the UFC, he'd be coming back for a small fraction of what he made boxing and in his sole PFL fight. What's he supposed to make for his "next" PFL fight? $12 million? He'd be very lucky to get $500K/$500K from the UFC because he's been completely exposed as not being any kind of a draw. More likely he'd be getting $300K-400K to lose badly to Jones or Aspinall. It would look more desperate than greedy for him to make a UFC return.

If he came back and was offered Jones guaranteed that one fight his payday would be quadruple that just to get him signed

 

[Mind Mine]

The money is likely lower than the 8 million it was when he walked away. His fights have been nothing short of disastrous financially since.

As opposed to the “success” the UFC is having at HW? You can’t be serious

 

[Mind Mine]

Then Dana would be solidify even more that he's running a clown show by shoving Aspinall aside yet again.

Dude Aspinall has never headlined a PPV and the fans would definitely watch Bones vs Ngannou before anything Tom has to offer. Get real. Nobody on this thread is screaming what’s fair for Tom or not. The UFC has A BUSINESS to run and Bones vs Ngannou brings a better draw than Aspinall back to the UFC and still provides a fight 90% of mma fans would watch. You want tocry justicefor Tom howabout make a thread and stop trying to force others to cry along with you. The shit is tired doing that shit on threads not asking for it

 

[dipstickjimmy]

who is the underdog? only Tom Aspinall. Ngannou made millions in boxing. you're acting like he's a victim here when he basically bankrupted PFL and told Dana to go fuck himself.



so Ngannou who has made 10s of millions of dollars, is now going to go back to the UFC to fight for "pennies on the dollar?" that doesn't even make sense.

You are conflating things here friend.

Frank could have stayed in the UFC and allegedly got $8M for a fight with Jon and then how much after that??? Hell he made $8M for his PFL fight and got a $2M signing bonus plus % of PPV & Gate. He would not have been able to box where he made $50 M.

So $8M rather than $58M is pennies on the dollar.
Now if he were to come back and I am not saying he will or won't what he gets paid is irrelevant. He doesn't have to forgo all that boxing money, its already in his bank.

Him coming back has nothing to do with the poster I replied to and the assertion Frank ran from a fight with Jon. You trying to sew the two things together is what doesn't make sense.

 

[JKS]

You are conflating things here friend.

Frank could have stayed in the UFC and allegedly got $8M for a fight with Jon and then how much after that??? Hell he made $8M for his PFL fight and got a $2M signing bonus plus % of PPV & Gate. He would not have been able to box where he made $50 M.

So $8M rather than $58M is pennies on the dollar.
Now if he were to come back and I am not saying he will or won't what he gets paid is irrelevant. He doesn't have to forgo all that boxing money, its already in his bank.

Him coming back has nothing to do with the poster I replied to and the assertion Frank ran from a fight with Jon. You trying to sew the two things together is what doesn't make sense.

I think your numbers are a bit off. He did not make 50 mill in boxing, no one knows the real numbers aside him and his management. But the estimated payout for Fury was 10 million, and for Joshua it was projected 20 million. So the boxing pay out is around 30 million, the PPV generated nothing so he didn't earn any more there.

For the UFC his offer was 8 million + PPV, so you can be assured with PPV that pay goes up to 10 million +. Now the contract he got was a 3 fight deal. If Francis lost, his pay would go down as he wouldn't be champion. But if he won and stayed champion, then his pay would stay the same or go up.

A lot of what happened was based on Francis performing. He fought great vs Fury, that earned him a big fight with Joshua. If he lost and got KO'd that Joshua fight doesn't happen, so that bigger pay day wouldn't be there. Same with the UFC, if he beats Jones then he would keep earning big money.

In the end, if you compare the 3 fights he made in boxing + PFL and 3 UFC fights maintaining the champions pay, it would look like 40 milion vs 30-32 million.

Keep in mind, I am going over what he could have earned and what he did in both scenarios. Not which was the better scenario for him. The boxing/PFL scenario was a safer bet to earn more money since it was two different promotions and sports.

 

[RockyLockridge]

unless Frank gets the Deontay Wilder fight his ass is starving as well.

But I thought he was super rich and set up for life from the fury and joshua fights. So much so that he could literally and not figuratively, get away with murder.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

Ngannou will never fight in the octagon again, he has completely burned that bridge and nuked it.

 

[Mind Mine]

But I thought he was super rich and set up for life from the fury and joshua fights. So much so that he could literally and not figuratively, get away with murder.

MC Hammer went broke what the fuck are you talm bout Willis?

 

[RockyLockridge]

MC Hammer went broke what the fuck are you talm bout Willis?

That took a decade+

 

[GrantB13]

Dude Aspinall has never headlined a PPV and the fans would definitely watch Bones vs Ngannou before anything Tom has to offer. Get real. Nobody on this thread is screaming what’s fair for Tom or not. The UFC has A BUSINESS to run and Bones vs Ngannou brings a better draw than Aspinall back to the UFC and still provides a fight 90% of mma fans would watch. You want tocry justicefor Tom howabout make a thread and stop trying to force others to cry along with you. The shit is tired doing that shit on threads not asking for it

I'm a fan and I think they should do Jones/Aspinall right now. Do Jones vs the guy the UFC let go if he wins. The UFC couldn't make the fight happen when they were both in the same organization before so why would this time be more likely when they aren't? And I'll try to hold back my tears, but any time there's a matchup involving Jones against not-Aspinall it's almost required to push back.

You sound like you're in a bad mood. I won't hold it against you.

 

[Mind Mine]

That took a decade+

Yeah and he had 10+ times more money broseph

 

[Mind Mine]

I'm a fan and I think they should do Jones/Aspinall right now. Do Jones vs the guy the UFC let go if he wins. The UFC couldn't make the fight happen when they were both in the same organization before so why would this time be more likely when they aren't? And I'll try to hold back my tears, but any time there's a matchup involving Jones against not-Aspinall it's almost required to push back.

You sound like you're in a bad mood. I won't hold it against you.

That doesn’t make sense given Jones is a bargaining chip to get Frank back plusAspinall would give Frank a great scrap if Frank beat Jones. If you take emotion out and understand HW is in shambles right now for star power it literally makes ZERO sense from the UFC to have Jones fight Aspinall right now with Frank POTENTIALLY able to return. I know that’s what fans would like but it doesn’t pass the logic test of a starving for talent HW division

 

[El Fernas]

Title makes it sound like its Ngannou who has the options, he isnt, not hating on him, i would love he does a return to the UFC but it wont happen, needs to be a dissaster first with PFL like they accepting they cant make his next fight and let him go, then the UFC will be interested in low balling him, but i seriously doubt it, they dont need him, at all, UFC moved from Ngannou.

Not sure there's much to bargain about here. PFL has Francis under contract for 1 more fight, and they're not giving him away for free.

They might if they accept they wont lose money again on him, his next fight i read its contracted for 12 million...considering he cant sell, and the opponent will get at least 2 million, the one getting screwed of his last few good days is Ngannou, wasting time on a promotion that has no plans on making his fight.