Economy The [Wall / Government Shutdown] Megathread

[Seano]

Such as the strategy that was detailed in the congressional budget, passed unanimously through the house and senate, which allocated 42 billion towards the DHS, with 21 billion towards border security.

How is that "better" and not just anything but the wall? I'll take better border funding AND a wall. Why is the physical barrier such a deal breaker?

Because it might actually keep people out. Thats why.

 

[Seano]

Trump is a bullshitter , and he knows his base will keep only voice their discontent quietly t if he throws some crumbs their way but makes it look like chunks.

I'll take crumbs over nothing and being told thats just how it is.

 

[hillelslovak87]

How is that "better" and not just anything but the wall? I'll take better border funding AND a wall. Why is the physical barrier such a deal breaker?

Because it might actually keep people out. Thats why.

Good god, stop with the hyperbole, please. The border security package was not simply dreamed up out of nowhere. They allocated 21 billion to border security for a reason, including money to rebuild or repair 40 miles of fencing.

If the wall is needed so bad, why has Trump spent but a tiny fraction of the billion he received last year for the wall? Must not be important to him. I wonder why.........

 

[Strychnine]

Yea shits going to really hit the fan when people start looking for new jobs. These people can only go so long without pay before they have to look somewhere else.

And who will take a job where there is a distinct possibility that you'll have to go without pay within a 2 or another 4 year period?

 

[Seano]

Good god, stop with the hyperbole, please. The border security package was not simply dreamed up out of nowhere. They allocated 21 billion to border security for a reason, including money to rebuild or repair 40 miles of fencing..

Why are you against building a new wall but OK with spending 20 billion to repair one that is insufficient? Doesn't make sense.

Bah, sheep. Bah.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Why are you against building a new wall but OK with spending 20 billion to repair one that is insufficient? Doesn't make sense.

Bah, sheep. Bah.

The 21 billion for border security is not simply repairing fencing in certain areas. Don't be dense on purpose. It's 21 billion for border security overall.

Again, if it's such a huge problem, why has Trump spent but a tiny fraction of the money allocated to him last year?

 

[Seano]

The 21 billion for border security is not simply repairing fencing in certain areas. Don't be dense on purpose. It's 21 billion for border security overall.

Again, if it's such a huge problem, why has Trump spent but a tiny fraction of the money allocated to him last year?

21 billion to keep doing the exact same shit that doesn't work . I'm for something new.

 

[Lubaolong]

Temporary DACA protection for his permanent wall. Smart.

 

[hillelslovak87]

21 billion to keep doing the exact same shit that doesn't work . I'm for something new.

The numbers show a steady decline in this arrests for illegals, and a net outflow of immigrants from Mexico for over a decade.

For the third time, if it is such a problem, why has Trump spent but a tiny fraction of the funds he was allocated last year?

 

[method115]

And who will take a job where there is a distinct possibility that you'll have to go without pay within a 2 or another 4 year period?

Yea Obama had a shut down as well so it's not like your safe if a dem gets into office either. Seems like this sort of thing could become more and more common.

 

[Lead]

Question for left leaning posters on here. How much wall funding would you compromise on in return for Dreamer protections and/or amnesty for current residents?

 

[glenwo2]

Trump offers immigration deal to end government shutdown; Dems cool to offer

President Trump, in a televised White House address Saturday, offered Democrats a compromise package on immigration in an effort to end the nearly monthlong partial government shutdown -- although some prominent Democrats were dismissing the olive branch as a "non-starter" before Trump even spoke.

Trump announced that he was prepared to back a three-year extension of protections for 700,000 immigrants who came to the country illegally as children and were shielded from deportation under the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. This, in exchange for the $5.7 billion he has requested for a barrier on the southern border with Mexico.

"Walls are not immoral," he said, adding that a wall "will save many lives and stop drugs from pouring into our country."

"This is not a concrete structure from sea to sea," he said, addressing some previously expressed concerns about the so-called "wall." "These are steel barriers in high-priority locations."

The offered deal would also extend protections for 300,000 recipients of the Temporary Protected Status (TPS) program -- which protects immigrants from designated countries with conditions that prevent nationals from returning safely.

"Our immigration system should be a source of pride, not a source of shame as it is all over the world," Trump said, before urging politicians to "take off their armor" and find solutions.

It would allocate $800 million for drug detection technology to secure ports of entry, 2,750 new border agents and law enforcement professionals, and 75 new immigration judges to reduce an immense backlog of asylum requests.

He said that all his proposals have been supported by Democrats before.

He spent much of the address talking about the dangers that an open border presented, describing a "very wide and open gateway for criminals and gang members to enter the United States." However, he also teased the possibility of future, broader immigration reform if his proposals were accepted by Congress.

"If we are successful in this effort, we will have the best chance in a long time at real, bipartisan immigration reform, and it won’t stop here, it will keep going until we do it all,” he said.

Government sources told Fox News before the announcement that the speech would form the basis for new legislation he hopes to get before the Senate next week. The proposal is similar to a compromise put forward by Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., that would include three year work permits for DACA recipients and extension of legal status for TPS holders, in exchange for the wall funding. Graham called the proposal "fantastic" in a tweet after the announcement.



"Let's get it done," he tweeted. House Republicans were scheduled to be briefed about the proposal in a conference call at 5 p.m. ET.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., praised Trump for his "bold solution" to re-open the government.

“Compromise in divided government means that everyone can’t get everything they want every time," McConnell said in a statement. "The President’s proposal reflects that. It strikes a fair compromise by incorporating priorities from both sides of the aisle."

But Trump’s proposal was quickly swatted down by Democrats. Indeed, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi came out ahead of the announcement to say the anticipated proposal comprised a "compilation of several previously rejected initiatives, each of which is unacceptable and in total, do not represent a good-faith effort to restore certainty to people’s lives."

"It is unlikely that any one of these provisions alone would pass the House, and taken together, they are a non-starter," she said in a statement. "For one thing, this proposal does not include the permanent solution for the Dreamers and TPS recipients that our country needs and supports."

The partial government shutdown, which has dragged on for 29 days and led to hundreds of thousands of federal workers being furloughed or working without pay, is the result of Republicans and Democrats being unable to come to an agreement over Trump’s demand for wall funding. Trump has said he will not sign a bill to open the government unless it includes that funding, while Democrats have refused to consider the $5.7 billion figure, instead offering $1.3 billion for general border security.

Trump’s move marks a rare outreach in a week where both sides appear to have hardened in their positions, with Trump canceling a Democratic delegation’s military flight to Afghanistan after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called on him to delay his State of the Union address earlier in the week. On Saturday before the speech, Trump described Pelosi as being “controlled by the radical left.”

Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., also rejected the proposal ahead of the announcement.

“First, President Trump and Senate Majority Leader [Mitch] McConnell must open the government today. Second, I cannot support the proposed offer as reported and do not believe it can pass the Senate. Third, I am ready to sit down at any time after the government is opened and work to resolve all outstanding issues,” he said in a statement.

Pelosi said that Democrats intended to pass six bills next week and other legislation to open the government, "so that we can fully negotiate on border security proposals."

“The president must sign these bills to re-open government immediately and stop holding the American people hostage with this senseless shutdown. Each day he prolongs this needless crisis, Coast Guardsmen, FBI agents, border patrol officers, TSA agents, and hundreds of thousands more workers are forced to live without knowing how they can feed their families or pay their bills," she said in her statement.



>>> In summary, President Trump is willing to compromise in order to open the government back up.

The Democrats value illegal immigrants over American citizens so they won't budge. That's it in a nutshell..

 

[glenwo2]

How is that "better" and not just anything but the wall? I'll take better border funding AND a wall. Why is the physical barrier such a deal breaker?

Because it might actually keep DEMOCRAT-VOTERS aka ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS out. Thats why.

Fixed for accuracy.

 

[MicroBrew]

Is your lower tax bracket compared to the Obama era BS?

My point was that on the major issue, immigration, he hasn't done anything. If it wasn't the #1 issue he campaigned on, immigration is atleast one of the primary issues of his campaign and presidency.

 

[glenwo2]

Well THIS is new. Romney actually backing something Trump proposed :

Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, on Friday backed President Trump’s stance on the partial government shutdown, backing his call for a wall on the southern border and saying he doesn’t understand Democrats’ positioning on the issue.

"You (Pelosi) and your fellow Democrats have voted for over 600 miles of border fence in the past, why won't you vote for another few miles now?" said Romney, speaking in Ogden, Utah after visiting with officials about the shutdown's impact on the community. "I don't understand their position, I really don't."



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ro...tdown-says-i-dont-understand-pelosis-position

 

[Swing]

Question for left leaning posters on here. How much wall funding would you compromise on in return for Dreamer protections and/or amnesty for current residents?

Make them permanent and I'd be okay with allocating an amount that is meant to fund the whole thing.

 

[JDragon]

I wonder why the proposed compromise from last year (citizenship possibility for dreamers + 25 billion) is not discussed in seriousness. Trump's proposal seems to be too little for too little.

 

[Lead]

Make them permanent and I'd be okay with allocating an amount that is meant to fund the whole thing.

I wonder why the proposed compromise from last year (citizenship possibility for dreamers + 25 billion) is not discussed in seriousness. Trump's proposal seems to be too little for too little.

This is what I don’t understand. I figure democrats would take that deal easily but I think there may be a disconnect with voters and those elected. Last year I was surprised Trump didn’t push that narrative more after the State of the Union

 

[Swing]

This is what I don’t understand. I figure democrats would take that deal easily but I think there may be a disconnect with voters and those elected. Last year I was surprised Trump didn’t push that narrative more after the State of the Union

I guess it's a side effect of constantly and broadly painting the opposing side as crazy. Legislators are scared to give up anything to the opposition, even in return for something their voters want. Every minor issue is made out to be a slippery slope towards Armageddon, so every minor concession looks like a betrayal.

 

[JDragon]

This is what I don’t understand. I figure democrats would take that deal easily but I think there may be a disconnect with voters and those elected. Last year I was surprised Trump didn’t push that narrative more after the State of the Union

I guess it's a side effect of constantly and broadly painting the opposing side as crazy. Legislators are scared to give up anything to the opposition, even in return for something their voters want. Every minor issue is made out to be a slippery slope towards Armageddon, so every minor concession looks like a betrayal.

Well at the same time it not only permanently legalizes but gives a road to citizenship to people who many Republicans appear to view as illegals who should be deported stante pede.