Economy The [Wall / Government Shutdown] Megathread

[LangfordBarrow]

I'm aware what the lawsuit is about. Blue states opposing a conservative act. You act like this was unexpected. With like 1 exception, you listed the states that were blue on the map post election.

Even Trump already said this was coming. He even expects to lose the initial challenges.

He's like Manafort betting on a pardon. There's a reason he expects it will go to the SC, and he's betting his two picks will side with him, no matter how much of a power grab it is.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Again, i can tell neither of you have been there.

I will admit that the cartel does an unbelievable job at keeping the crime especially the murders on the side of mexico- el paso/juarez being a great example.

For a while there juarez was the murder capital of the world but relatively quiet on the el paso side when it came to murders. And ill tell you why...

Because the cartel isnt stupid. They are first and foremost a business and their business is pushing drugs. If they start murdering on the u.s. side its bad for business and the border will lock up/tighten quite quickly. So they do a good job keeping the murders in Mexico.

But drug trafficking and illegals is a whole other story.

What you guys also fail to realize that this is also bigger than just illegals coming to the country at a rate of at least 10,000 a week. Most of these illegals have to pay to get to the country. We're talking thousands of dollars per person. These people are dirt poor and unable to pay the debt so instead they going into slavery to pay it off... More often than not its prostitution or other illegal activities.

It's terrible problem all around for these people and it's also a terrible problem for the u.s. as its flooding our streets with illicit activity. Not addressing this issue is only enabling the situation and i do sympathize with the illegals cause they are victims of this and there is no easy answer.... And i don't believe the wall is the end all be all. And realistically probably won't do a ton to solve the problem.

But what i am for is Trumps attitude towards the problem and the symbolism behind the whole wall. It is an issue that needs to be addressed. And Trump has my support 100%. It really is a humanitarian problem on the southern border with no easy answer. But to ignore it and say its Not a crisis/emergency is a willing ignorance on our end.

Take care my friends! And take my challenge- go see it for yourself! 1 month down there... Really emerge yourself with the culture.

Trading dollars for symbolism is a losing proposition.

 

[Strychnine]

Bernard cucked himself in the 2016 primaries. He's done.
There used to be many Trump supporters who were Bernie and vice versa. Now all that Bernie support is just communist far left.

Bernie Sanders raised $1M in the first 3 hours of him announcing his 2nd Presidential run.

 

[waiguoren]

Spot the deception, Washington Post edition:

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U.S. farmers fuel surge in guest-worker visas as illegal labor dwindles

The number of people crossing into the United States illegally is nearing the lowest level since the early 2000s. For the White House, that might be a triumph. But for the agriculture industry, the impact is acute.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Spot the error/deception, Washington Post edition:

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U.S. farmers fuel surge in guest-worker visas as illegal labor dwindles

The number of people crossing into the United States illegally is nearing the lowest level since the early 2000s. For the White House, that might be a triumph. But for the agriculture industry, the impact is acute.

The error/deception was in you suggesting that you quoted the lede rather than the third graf. Here:

DURANGO, Mexico — For decades, U.S. farmers, landscapers and builders tapped a seemingly endless supply of cheap labor: the waves of undocumented immigrants coming across the southern border. The workers arrived in time for harvests and construction booms. They did the low-wage manual labor that Americans were unwilling to do.

By the 2000s, more than half of American farmworkers were undocumented, according to the Labor Department. But now — thanks to border enforcement, the surging cost of smugglers and changes in migration patterns — the number of people crossing into the United States illegally is nearing the lowest level in decades . There are more Mexicans leaving the United States than arriving there.

For the White House, that might be a triumph. But for the agriculture industry, the impact is acute. Each year, its labor force dwindles.

 

[waiguoren]

The error/deception was in you suggesting that you quoted the lede rather than the third graf. Here:

I quoted the front page headline and summary in their entirety. No deception. Check the front page if you don't believe me.

Washington Post deceives its readers again by equating "apprehensions of illegal aliens" with "crossings of illegal aliens". That's an error that you have also made repeatedly on this site.

It's also ridiculous for WaPo to suggest that illegal apprehensions are declining given that there is no trend for the last six years. FY2018's apprehension total was higher than FY2017 and FY2015. Claiming that this "might be a triumph for the Trump administration" when the reduction in apprehensions began in FY2007 and ended around FY2012 is deceptive.

 

[waiguoren]

@Jack V Savage

I'm not holding my breath for you to admit fault. You've proven yourself to be really bad at that time after time.

 

[Jack V Savage]

@Jack V Savage

I'm not holding my breath for you to admit fault. You've proven yourself to be really bad at that time after time.

What sort of fault do you want me to admit?

And you don't exactly have any standing here (still waiting for the apology for calling me "partisan" for example).

 

[waiguoren]

[I'm] still waiting for the apology for calling me "partisan"

You are a partisan.

What sort of fault do you want me to admit?

You accused me of deception and accused me of quoting only the 3rd paragraph of an article. In fact, I quoted the entire front page entry from www.washingtonpost.com. I was perfectly honest and direct.

You know this, but you suck at admitting fault whenever arguing with me.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You are a partisan.

And yet you have no examples of partisanship from me. I think you are deliberately making a false accusation out of bitterness.

 

[Seano]

You're pretending being against physical walls equates to open border policy. .

It does.