Economy The [Wall / Government Shutdown] Megathread

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Would you approve of Trump using emergency powers to build his wall?

Poll closed Jan 19, 2019.
  1. I'm a Trump supporter and I would support using emergency powers

    20.7%
  2. I'm a Trump supporter and I would not support use of emergency powers

    7.6%
  3. I'm not really a Trump supporter, but I would support him using emergency powers

    6.5%
  4. I'm not a Trump supporter. I don't support him using emergency powers to build a wall.

    65.2%
  1. panamaican

    panamaican Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Most of what I read suggests that he might be fine in seeking the emergency status (because there doesn't seem to be strict guidelines on what qualifies as a national emergency) but he isn't going to be able to redirect the money for it.

    As I understand it - he declares a nat'l emergency. Then he has to file something describing what the emergency is and how he plans to address it. For the wall, that means stating where he plans to build it and, more importantly, how he plans to fund it. The Nat'l Emergency Act gives him 2 options. One is apparently DOA. The 2nd is only his only real option and it turns on whether or not a wall is necessary for the military to do its job (if it is, he can redirect military funding to the project).

    The losing prospect is that immigration enforcement and border enforcement are not within the military's scope. Additionally, the military is only allowed to engage in military construction - that is very specifically defined by Congress and the wall most likely does not meet that definition.

    So, I guess his only real option is to find an interpretation of military construction that allows him to re-frame an immigration border wall as a military necessity. Unfortunately for him, his own language is going to undermine his argument here, imo.
     
  2. panamaican

    panamaican Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Relevant Law:
    Construction authority under National Emergency Act.
    Trump sending the military to the border last year was his attempt to suggest that border control required the use of the military. I think that loses. It's one thing to employ the military in a task, it's something else to say that the military is required for the task.

    Military construction Definition:
    The definition of military construction seems to require that the construction be in relation to a military installation. But that's just my quick read over and cobbled together opinions from others.
     
  3. b-hop

    b-hop Green Belt

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    I never doubt that President Trump keep his promises.
    The wall is gonna be built, thank god.

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  4. b-hop

    b-hop Green Belt

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    Now we gonna have a decent immigration policy. Consisting from european as east asians sources.
     
  5. Crazy Diamond

    Crazy Diamond 2GM/c^2 belt

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    It's French, actually. Just to keep things accurate.
     
  6. Crazy Diamond

    Crazy Diamond 2GM/c^2 belt

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    Gotta love how you no longer hear them give the slightest toss about people hiring illegals now that Trump was caught doing it.
     
  7. Crazy Diamond

    Crazy Diamond 2GM/c^2 belt

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    No, man.
    I think if you're breathing a sigh of relief that Trump's emergency declaration will be defeated in court, or relieved that he won't be able to fund it even if it is declared, you shouldn't be. I think the mere fact of a president who is willing to take that step (and previously showed a willingness to shut down the government to get what he wants) should be the rock solid evidence of just how dangerous this guy is. He will keep modifying his tactics until he gets what he wants.

    The longer Trump remains in office, the longer America is skating on the slipperiest of slippery slopes.
     
  8. hillelslovak87

    hillelslovak87 Steel Belt

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    The numbers show these people are far less likely to commit crimes than the general population. You're being hysterical.
     
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  9. hillelslovak87

    hillelslovak87 Steel Belt

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    If it was your side you would take them do the right thing if it wasn't them, wouldn't you?









































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  10. Mani

    Mani Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    I know lying is wrong, but if the elephant man came in now in a blouse with some make up on, and said “how do I look?” Would you say, bearing in mind he’s depressed and has respiratory problems, would you say “go and take that blusher off you mis-shapened elephant tranny”? No. You’d say ‘You look nice… John
     
  11. Crazy Diamond

    Crazy Diamond 2GM/c^2 belt

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  12. Shoemaker

    Shoemaker ****BOILERPLATE**** Platinum Member

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    If we had a wall, there would be no illegals for Trump to hire. He's just trying to save himself from himself.
     
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    Crazy Diamond 2GM/c^2 belt

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    Except the ones he hired are all there on illegally obtained visas. The wall wouldn't prevent that.
     
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    Hmm sounds like more wall is needed around the State Department.
     
  15. colby25

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    Ha! "Historic lows"...

    We're talking 10,000 a week like thats a good thing. I would equate the historic lows for apprehensions not because its dwindling but lack of man power...

    You do realize that CBP is understaffed and is forcing people from other locations the southern border due to being overwhelmed and understaffed.

    But hey... No problems on the southern border. Just keep looking the other way guys. Again, the wall isnt the end all be all but its a very basic small step in a big problem. Democrats in the past have been for a barrier until trump stepped in.
     
  16. Seano

    Seano Hands of bone

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    That amnesty deal would have been great for them, eh?
     
  17. chardog

    chardog That's President Donald Trump

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    Demrats completely open boarders at this point:



    Beta ororke calling to Take down EXISTING walls. The rats use to pretend to be against illegal immigration, now they dont even pretend.
     
  18. andnowweknow

    andnowweknow The Giant On Whose Shoulders You Stand

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    You're pretending being against physical walls equates to open border policy. You have two choices, stop pretending or invigorate your being with more nuance.
     
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  19. chardog

    chardog That's President Donald Trump

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    Laughable, dumber by the minute liberals
     
  20. andnowweknow

    andnowweknow The Giant On Whose Shoulders You Stand

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