The times you supported a fighter refusing a fight.

[HHJ]

More often than not,theres good reason for this.

I supported Ronda not just letting cyborg get the fight without doing anything.

I support mighty mouse asking for more money to fight tj.

Hell i even supported Tito for not fighting chuck because he was making more money outside ufc and felt ufc could havs paid him more for the chuck fight they wanted so bad.

Obviously stuff like De randamie is inexcusable. What are some past fight refusals you agree with so we can get a war started in this thread. Let the beatings begin.

 

[Bob Sagat]

Did you support Yair? Because I'm about to laugh if you did.

 

[superpunch]

Jones vs Chael

 

[HHJ]

Did you support Yair? Because I'm about to laugh if you did.

No,i didnt,because he didnt have any cards to deal in that situation. He was on the shelf for so long and he should be fighting guys like zabit anyway.

 

[DRMZ]

Ortega not taking the Stephens fight. This interim bullshit isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, no fighter should accept a bout for an interim belt, especially after this Till / Colby scenario.

 

[Pierced7681]

I respect Tito for holding out on the chuck fight for more money. The baldfather trashed his name relentlessly over it, but Tito stood strong.

 

[HHJ]

I respect Tito for holding out on the chuck fight for more money. The baldfather trashed his name relentlessly over it, but Tito stood strong.

Also the more they bashed tito the more the fans would want to see the fight because they are witness tito "forced into fighting the guy he ducked for so long" thus the more money for everybody.

 

[wilKO]

How can you support MM asking for way more money than he is worth? It's not realistic. If Conor asked for $100 million to fight Khabib would you support it? No. You would say Conor is using money to duck Khabib.

MM is the least marketable champion in UFC history. If he was given a PPV cut like Conor etc then he would be getting paid what he is worth. But he doesn't want that because he would make nothing.

 

[HHJ]

How can you support MM asking for way more money than he is worth? It's not realistic. If Conor asked for $100 million to fight Khabib would you support it? No. You would say Conor is using money to duck Khabib.

MM is the least marketable champion in UFC history. If he was given a PPV cut like Conor etc then he would be getting paid what he is worth. But he doesn't want that because he would make nothing.

None of that matters to dj. If you dont pay him,then he doesnt do it and goes back to his video games. No skin off his back. Not his problem. Its the ufcs problem. If tj doesnt get the fight oh well he is still champion,dj still champ and thats that.

 

[gunlok]

Conor McGregor, Nate Diaz

 

[HHJ]

And Conors different. Whatever he wants he is gonna get because ufc needs him. He should ask for that much. Just like khabib should ask for an insane amount because this will be the biggest fight of his career.

 

[wilKO]

None of that matters to dj. If you dont pay him,then he doesnt do it and goes back to his video games. No skin off his back. Not his problem. Its the ufcs problem. If tj doesnt get the fight oh well he is still champion,dj still champ and thats that.

Agreed that it's the UFCs problem but it's also MMs problem. TJ would be the biggest opportunity of MMs career and it would do wonders for his legacy and how the majority of MMA fans (Who are casuals) view him.

And on topic. I respect Shogun for ducking Glover. At that stage of their careers it was ridiculous and Shogun didn't sugar coat it at all. Respect.

 

[dormammu]

Let me think....

Never

 

[HHJ]

Agreed that it's the UFCs problem but it's also MMs problem. TJ would be the biggest opportunity of MMs career and it would do wonders for his legacy and how the majority of MMA fans (Who are casuals) view him.

If he retires undefeated as champ,i think hes happy with that,and i dont blame him.

 

[Newave]

Ortega not accepting a rematch with Frankie Edgar for UFC 226 when Holloway pulled out.

 

[wilKO]

If he retires undefeated as champ,i think hes happy with that,and i dont blame him.

True. And if Conor retired now he would be the wealthiest MMA fighter to ever live. I bet lots of people wouldn't respect that.

 

[HHJ]

True. And if Conor retired now he would be the wealthiest MMA fighter to ever live. I bet lots of people wouldn't respect that.

He wont. Hes in the prime of his life and wont put that to waste. His egos too big to retire off a loss (in boxing) at this stage.

 

[Toco]

None of that matters to dj. If you dont pay him,then he doesnt do it and goes back to his video games. No skin off his back. Not his problem. Its the ufcs problem. If tj doesnt get the fight oh well he is still champion,dj still champ and thats that.

this is the thing, I don't think the ufc would be all unhappy with him not fighting. it's not like they're losing money by him not fighting

 

[Toco]

also you're saying like he's making the big bucks while playing. while twitch is way more profitable for streamers in this day and age back when he started like what, 2 or 3 years ago? I DOUBT he's making any reasonable amount of money. how many viewers does he have per stream?

 

[HHJ]

this is the thing, I don't think the ufc would be all unhappy with him not fighting. it's not like they're losing money by him not fighting

They are plenty upset that hes not fighting tj. Anytime they tell dj to jump they wanna hear "im a manlet,how high!?"

 

[Toco]

They are plenty upset that hes not fighting tj. Anytime they tell dj to jump they wanna hear "im a manlet,how high!?"

I mean they definitely didn't like him ducking dillashaw, but if tomorrow he announces his retirement, I don't think the ufc would mind. I think actually they would like it a lot since it would open the division for a more marketable champ (or just finally close the division)

 

[HHJ]

also you're saying like he's making the big bucks while playing. while twitch is way more profitable for streamers in this day and age back when he started like what, 2 or 3 years ago? I DOUBT he's making any reasonable amount of money. how many viewers does he have per stream?

Im not saying hes making big money,i just dont think he cares about going above and beyond for the same pay he always gets. They can holler at him when they add another zero.

 

[Pierced7681]

Another one, Rickson Gracie “pricing” himself out of a fight with Sakuraba.

The reality is Ricksons son died and that’s why he didn’t accept the fight. Respect to the man for how he handled the situation.

 

[HHJ]

I mean they definitely didn't like him ducking dillashaw, but if tomorrow he announces his retirement, I don't think the ufc would mind. I think actually they would like it a lot since it would open the division for a more marketable champ (or just finally close the division)

Yeah thats true,but he has the belt now. Eventually theyll have to send him someone other than tj that hell slaughter for the base rate

 

[moogie101]

Every time an opponent fails to make weight. If more fighters have the balls to say no because their opponent is being unprofessional & cheating to get an advantage & the more likely the UFC does something to stop the problem continuing.

 

[Bacco]

As long they don't have a belt to defend, they should be free to handle theyr career how they prefer
They risk to be outranked (in a fantasy world where ranking is important) by more active fighters

If they hold the #1 spot and have the belt, together with more $$$ they should not be free anymore

 

[IVovchanchyn]

I'm totally fine with gsp winning the belt and vacating. he had no business in that division. So i cant blame him for not wanting to stick around in it.

 

[superpunch]

How can you support MM asking for way more money than he is worth? It's not realistic. If Conor asked for $100 million to fight Khabib would you support it? No. You would say Conor is using money to duck Khabib.

MM is the least marketable champion in UFC history. If he was given a PPV cut like Conor etc then he would be getting paid what he is worth. But he doesn't want that because he would make nothing.

Conor might arguably be worth ~$100 million though. He arguably brings that much revenue more than the UFC brand by itself brings to the table when he fights.

 

[WaylonMercy5150]

I respect Royce for ducking Harold Howard. The ass whipping he would have received would have permanently damaged jiu jit su and also the Gracie name. Shamrock, however, was a punk for ducking Howard.

 

[Ken Fresno]

Brendan Schaub and John Olav-Einemo

 

[UL]

More often than not,theres good reason for this.

I supported Ronda not just letting cyborg get the fight without doing anything.

I support mighty mouse asking for more money to fight tj.

Hell i even supported Tito for not fighting chuck because he was making more money outside ufc and felt ufc could havs paid him more for the chuck fight they wanted so bad.

Obviously stuff like De randamie is inexcusable. What are some past fight refusals you agree with so we can get a war started in this thread. Let the beatings begin.

Ronda

 

[Siesta]

also you're saying like he's making the big bucks while playing. while twitch is way more profitable for streamers in this day and age back when he started like what, 2 or 3 years ago? I DOUBT he's making any reasonable amount of money. how many viewers does he have per stream?

I think he tries supplementing his income by whoring himself with sponsors.

 

[meareiguana]

How can you support MM asking for way more money than he is worth? It's not realistic. If Conor asked for $100 million to fight Khabib would you support it? No. You would say Conor is using money to duck Khabib.

MM is the least marketable champion in UFC history. If he was given a PPV cut like Conor etc then he would be getting paid what he is worth. But he doesn't want that because he would make nothing.

I don't necessarily support him, but rather feel sorry for the guy. If only he grew a few inches taller...would be an entirely different story. Not like he's completely unmarketable i.e totally uncharismatic or refusing to do the media.

 

[syct23]

I supported Royce not continuing back in the day after that battle with Kimo...

But most of you kids don't have any time for that...

 

[LouisBolanos]

None of that matters to dj. If you dont pay him,then he doesnt do it and goes back to his video games. No skin off his back. Not his problem. Its the ufcs problem. If tj doesnt get the fight oh well he is still champion,dj still champ and thats that.

If TJ moves down to flyweight and MM keeps ducking him the UFC could say it's a champion's job to defend and strip him of his belt.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Aldo when RDA got hurt

 

[Odysseus]

St Pierre not taking a Silva fight. Georges was the WW King, and Silva the MW King. Weight classes exist for a reason, and Anderson is too big for Georges. He fought everyone at WW and had nothing to prove by appeasing the fat slobs on the couch calling him a coward for not taking the fight. If Anderson could make 170, he more than likely would have fought him. Why risk your record and reputation by taking a fight you don’t have to in a heavier weight class?

 

[Shaddows]

More often than not,theres good reason for this.

I supported Ronda not just letting cyborg get the fight without doing anything.

I support mighty mouse asking for more money to fight tj.

Hell i even supported Tito for not fighting chuck because he was making more money outside ufc and felt ufc could havs paid him more for the chuck fight they wanted so bad.

Obviously stuff like De randamie is inexcusable. What are some past fight refusals you agree with so we can get a war started in this thread. Let the beatings begin.

-I supported Jon not fighting Chael. - No champion should be forced to defend their belts against a last minute opponent. Besides, that was fishy as fuck.
- I supported Ortega not fighting anyone not named Max (on short notice). Same reason as above.
- I did NOT support Condit sitting for a year waiting for his shot at GSP. - Interim belt means you keep the division moving whle the champ is out. Not fighting takes away this purpose.
- I supported Aldo not fighting Conor on short notice, a different WC & not for his belt. (self explanatory)
- I supported DJ not fighting TJ for the same money he fought Borg for. If this is a bigger fight, pay him what is worth.
- I did NOT support GDR not fighting Cyborg. She KNEW Cyborg would fight the winner. SHould not have fought Holm if she was unwilling to fight Cyborg.
- I did NOT support Ronda not fighting Cyborg at 145. It would not have impacted het standing at 135. And she called out Cyborg way too many times. Cyborg could not make 135, and she was unbeaten at 145. Should have moved up for the biggest fight in WMMA.

 

[FloydMayweatherMMA]

I respect Aldo for not taking the McGregor rematch when it was offered to him, thus saving his facial rearrangement for Max instead.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

i've never supported a fighter for not accepting a fight.

but more importantly (IMO), i've never ripped a fighter for not accepting a fight.

 

[The Domin8or]

Ortega not accepting the fight against jeremy stephens , it also played better because we also got the chance to see Jose Aldo brutally stop him .

 

[Bluntforce420]

Woodley not fighting Lombard, who popped shortly after if I recall correctly

 

[MDoza]

Ortega, Mighty Mouse, that chick who turned down the fight when her opponent didn’t make weight..

 

[BobbyHillComedian]

I support any woman refusing to fight Cyborg because that's a man, baby

But in all seriousness I think she's intersex + a lifetime of exogenous test

 

[DIDM]

None of that matters to dj. If you dont pay him,then he doesnt do it and goes back to his video games. No skin off his back. Not his problem. Its the ufcs problem. If tj doesnt get the fight oh well he is still champion,dj still champ and thats that.

But three it’s just another excuse to dump that weightclass. Him refusing actually watchable fights is laughable, he just wants to defend against everyone he’s already beaten. He wanted more in garunteed money than Daniel got vs Stipe, like, what in the actual fuck?

 

[Alphafail]

Jones vs Chael after Hendo pulled out a few days before their fight.

 

[GSP_37]

Jones vs Chael

If that was the last minute replacement for Hendo, yeah.

 

[timoteo]

How can you support MM asking for way more money than he is worth? It's not realistic. If Conor asked for $100 million to fight Khabib would you support it? No. You would say Conor is using money to duck Khabib.

MM is the least marketable champion in UFC history. If he was given a PPV cut like Conor etc then he would be getting paid what he is worth. But he doesn't want that because he would make nothing.

Pretty sure mm isn't the one asking for the th fight bud. He's a flyweight, he fights flyweights, that's what he does. Nothing says he has to fight at bantamweight and no point dropping champs to 125

 

[Lowtide]

How can you support MM asking for way more money than he is worth? It's not realistic. If Conor asked for $100 million to fight Khabib would you support it? No. You would say Conor is using money to duck Khabib.

MM is the least marketable champion in UFC history. If he was given a PPV cut like Conor etc then he would be getting paid what he is worth. But he doesn't want that because he would make nothing.

How do you know what he’s (MM) worth or even what the actual details of that situation really were?

 

[LouisBolanos]

also you're saying like he's making the big bucks while playing. while twitch is way more profitable for streamers in this day and age back when he started like what, 2 or 3 years ago? I DOUBT he's making any reasonable amount of money. how many viewers does he have per stream?

His Twitch numbers are garbage. Dozens to hundreds of views per video, as opposed to hundreds of thousands for top Twitch streamers.



He has decent follower number because UFC fans typically flock to his channel after a major event, but there's little retention because he has no personality. Not surprising really given how unmarketable he is as a fighter. People like to claim he's making a killing on Twitch but the reality is he's just not marketable. Look at his socialblade Twitch video view numbers

https://socialblade.com/twitch/user/mightymouseufc125

See how it's gone to complete shit in the last year (second graph)? His Twitch career is inexorably tied to his UFC career because he's just not a drawl anywhere. He relies on his UFC halo to attract Twitch audience. When he isn't fighting people aren't watching him. When his UFC career is over Twitch wouldn't be a viable career path for him.

 

[Toco]

His Twitch numbers are garbage. Dozens to hundreds of views per video, as opposed to hundreds of thousands for top Twitch streamers.



He has decent follower number because UFC fans typically flock to his channel after a major event, but there's little retention because he has no personality. Not surprising really given how unmarketable he is as a fighter. People like to claim he's making a killing on Twitch but the reality is he's just not marketable. Look at his socialblade Twitch video view numbers

https://socialblade.com/twitch/user/mightymouseufc125

See how it's gone to complete shit in the last year (second graph)? His Twitch career is inexorably tied to his UFC career because he's just not a drawl anywhere. He relies on his UFC halo to attract Twitch audience. When he isn't fighting people aren't watching him. When his UFC career is over Twitch wouldn't be a viable career path for him.

yeah, you can make a lot of money on twitch but you gotta have something. I remember when after ufc events I used to go to his stream to see his opinions on the fights and what not. but watching as a regular streamer it sucks

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Ortega not accepting a rematch with Frankie Edgar for UFC 226 when Holloway pulled out.

I'll go along with this. Also any time a fighter is meant to get a late replacement cause someone missed weight, the onus shouldn't be on them to save the fight the other guy needs to make weight.

 

[DarkneT]

When Fedor ducked overeem because he's 'steroid cattle'

Or when Woodley ducked Lombard because he's 'steroid cattle'

If you know first hand what they are putting in their ass
I think it's fair game to say 'fuck that'

 

[LouisBolanos]

yeah, you can make a lot of money on twitch but you gotta have something. I remember when after ufc events I used to go to his stream to see his opinions on the fights and what not. but watching as a regular streamer it sucks

He's not a very good gamer and has no charisma. His shtick revolves around him being a UFC champion. Without UFC he's nothing, just another generic streamer with no looks hair or boobs.