The reason Cyril Gane has little chance against Tom Aspinall

[mkess101]

I'm expecting him to win, but the stage just seems to be set for an upset. This is Gane's last chance at a title. He could just be playing FIFA all day but he might shock us.

Gane clearly has some physical tools that most HW's don't. I think had he really applied himself to becoming well rounded earlier, he could've truly been special. I think at this point it may be too late for him to catch up to another outlier athlete like Aspinall who has those physical gifts but also can grapple and has power. But you never know.

And...maybe being the best fighter he's capable of being isn't as important to Gane. And he just got a gig starring in movie and it may well be he's totally fine with how things are even if he loses badly. Everyone has different motivations. Dude is making $ and seems to live a good life so...

 

[PaulieVegas27]

I'd say it's even simpler than that:

Gane has little chance because he sucks.

 

[fzoid4454]

i think that he said between the lines that he has the same attitude and it's the reason he can spot it on other people.

Which is basically how I described it, just using less self-aggrandizing and self-serving terminology. Not sure how you missed it.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

I think Aspinall will maul him but Gane’s grappling looked improved against Volkov. It didn’t look good but it was clearly improved from a guy who got outgrappled by Francis of all people.

I just don’t see how Gane gets this done. Tom is too good and dangerous. Gane isn’t a hard hitter at all and he has very limited grappling. His only way to win is a lucky shot or hope Tom gasses in a round and we saw how well that same strategy worked for DDP against Khamzat..

 

[Deceasedxo]

Yeah, didn't I just say that in many more words?

You rambled about a bunch of bullshit in your head.

 

[fzoid4454]

I think Aspinall will maul him but Gane’s grappling looked improved against Volkov. It didn’t look good but it was clearly improved from a guy who got outgrappled by Francis of all people.

I just don’t see how Gane gets this done. Tom is too good and dangerous. Gane isn’t a hard hitter at all and he has very limited grappling. His only way to win is a lucky shot or hope Tom gasses in a round and we saw how well that same strategy worked for DDP against Khamzat..

He's KOd guys who are not easy KOs, volume over time, instead of one-punch. He was good enough striking that Ngannou, who generally just overwhelmes with raw power, went the wrestle-fuck route.

So, he can definitely win via decision or TKO.

Having said that, Aspinall has many more ways to win this fight and easier paths to do so, and should be favored.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

He's KOd guys who are not easy KOs, volume over time, instead of one-punch. He was good enough striking that Ngannou, who generally just overwhelmes with raw power, went the wrestle-fuck route.

So, he can definitely win via decision or TKO.

Having said that, Aspinall has many more ways to win this fight and easier paths to do so, and should be favored.

He’s not going to land volume on Tom. He only has looked good against fat brawlers and even Tuivasa had him asleep. It’s one thing to be able to style on overweight brawlers and he’s mostly done that but those are the only times he’s ever looked impressive.

Gane fans have calmed down a lot but there was a time on here where some called him a HW Anderson Silva lmfao

 

[CatchtheseHands]

Ok, I like your counterpoint and it's true that Aspinall is physically gifted but I said he is not the best at anything other than wanting to be the best overall. He is not the best striker in the division and he is not the best grappler either.

How do we know Tom isn't the best grappler in the division? Because of Almeida? Almeida couldn't sub Derrick Lewis in 5 rounds, got finished by Curtis while trying to complete a single leg TD and got reversed by Spivac on the ground. I'm not saying Almeida isn't one of the best grapplers in the division, he definitely is but every opponent Tom has taken down he has submitted with very little trouble. Mean while the same can't be said about Almeida.

He’s not going to land volume on Tom. He only has looked good against fat brawlers and even Tuivasa had him asleep. It’s one thing to be able to style on overweight brawlers and he’s mostly done that but those are the only times he’s ever looked impressive.

Gane fans have calmed down a lot but there was a time on here where some called him a HW Anderson Silva lmfao

Saying Gane has only looked impressive against overweight brawlers is pretty disingenuous considering Gane looked elite on the feet against Nggannou, JDS, Volkov in the first fight and Rozenstruik all who are not overweight brawlers.

 

[SuperAlly]

Ok, I like your counterpoint and it's true that Aspinall is physically gifted but I said he is not the best at anything other than wanting to be the best overall. He is not the best striker in the division and he is not the best grappler either.

He may well be the best striker in the division to be fair. Gane might look more text book pretty, Tom's striking is far more effective. Who else is there...

 

[JBJ was here]

He's KOd guys who are not easy KOs, volume over time, instead of one-punch. He was good enough striking that Ngannou, who generally just overwhelmes with raw power, went the wrestle-fuck route.

So, he can definitely win via decision or TKO.

Having said that, Aspinall has many more ways to win this fight and easier paths to do so, and should be favored.

Wearing down Aspinall over time is not a sane option; he attacks too quickly, aggressively, accurately, and powerfully for that. Ngannou is a counterpuncher with fantastic power; wearing him down over time is mostly a matter of having solid defense and not making major mistakes with your striking, something Gane is particularly good at when he's fighting comfortably at distance.

 

[Chaotic Progressor]

I do have a feeling Tom could sub him. But I also think he's too in love with the KO now so probably KO within 2.

 

[AMAZINGUFC]

Cyril Gane is a terrible student in that he applies himself to the things he is good at but neglects the things he is not, (don't ask me how I know this). Cyril gravitates to what comes easy and avoids situations where he can't be the best with only minimal effort--In other words he is a prima donna. But he is a natural athlete, elite for his size, and a striking prodigy, so he excelled in kickboxing. Unfortunately, there's no money or fame in kickboxing so he moved on to MMA. Ok, but the problem being, he's not a natural grappler, grappling being essential to the sport, and has zero interest in putting in the long and hard work it would take to become proficient. In true prima donna fashion he profited from favorable matchups and rode it as long as he could until he was brutally exposed by an old, slow shadow of a former champion who's wrestling had devolved to the point where he couldn't even take down non-wrestling Light Heavyweights.

Tom Aspinall is the complete opposite. He's not the best at anything but he has the drive and dedication to be the best overall. He's the student who isn't as smart or naturally gifted but he puts in the work that others won't, ultimately getting the better grades and achieving a higher degree of success.

Unless Cyril Gane has completely changed his nature, I don't see this going well for him.

 

[AMAZINGUFC]

I would hate to see Tom lose but this fight is harder than it looks. And even for Jones in a Rematch.

 

[Captain Herb]

You rambled about a bunch of bullshit in your head.

Sorry, thought this was a karate forum for losers who never trained a day in their life

 

[Captain Herb]

Lol he's fucked

 

[Captain Herb]

Wearing down Aspinall over time is not a sane option; he attacks too quickly, aggressively, accurately, and powerfully for that. Ngannou is a counterpuncher with fantastic power; wearing him down over time is mostly a matter of having solid defense and not making major mistakes with your striking, something Gane is particularly good at when he's fighting comfortably at distance.

Extending the amount of time your opponent has to knock you senseless is not a good strategy at HW. You want to finish the fight as soon as possible. Even Mr. Decision Jon Jones understood this and only took fights he knew he could finish first.

 

[Tweak896]

I think Gane's issue is mental or he has some real bad injuries still like in that Volkov fight. The only reason I wouldn't pick Gane to win and outright bet on it.

Assuming he's in the right mind state and no injuries....
-Gane's TDD is underrated here and I think Tom's wrestling is overrated.
-Speed wise they are going to be pretty even, but Gane's good about winning the striking battle while scoring points
-We know Gane has the gas to go the distance, but Tom is unknown.

Also Tom has had tons of gassing up because the Jones BS. I just don't see Gane being slow like Pavlovich or Blaydes and caught by his power. I don't think Gane is going to be taken down and finished like Volkov or Arlovski. Also lots of people are ignoring Tom's ring rust.

But Gane has had pretty low IQ gameplans, never seen someone miss 2 title shots and win their 3rd (off the top of my head), and his last fight he had a horrible injury getting wrestled by Volkov, but ironically did pretty good on the ground with the surprise attack. Gane seems to do better when he can predict what his opponent will do, he's fine with guys who want to stand with him or fine when they clearly want none of the striking, but if he has to guess is where he messes up most. Probably only expected striking from Ngannou and was just lost what was going on with Jones. Also Aspinall, atleast what we know does a little bit of everything, seems to be smart and take fights at their easiest energy cost to him.

 

[mkess101]

Sorry, thought this was a karate forum for losers who never trained a day in their life

I trained, fought, cornered guys, you name it.

But now I have gray in my hair and a dad bod so I feel like that cancels out that I used to be a badass.

 

[mkess101]

I think Gane's issue is mental or he has some real bad injuries still like in that Volkov fight. The only reason I wouldn't pick Gane to win and outright bet on it.

Assuming he's in the right mind state and no injuries....
-Gane's TDD is underrated here and I think Tom's wrestling is overrated.
-Speed wise they are going to be pretty even, but Gane's good about winning the striking battle while scoring points
-We know Gane has the gas to go the distance, but Tom is unknown.

Also Tom has had tons of gassing up because the Jones BS. I just don't see Gane being slow like Pavlovich or Blaydes and caught by his power. I don't think Gane is going to be taken down and finished like Volkov or Arlovski. Also lots of people are ignoring Tom's ring rust.

But Gane has had pretty low IQ gameplans, never seen someone miss 2 title shots and win their 3rd (off the top of my head), and his last fight he had a horrible injury getting wrestled by Volkov, but ironically did pretty good on the ground with the surprise attack. Gane seems to do better when he can predict what his opponent will do, he's fine with guys who want to stand with him or fine when they clearly want none of the striking, but if he has to guess is where he messes up most. Probably only expected striking from Ngannou and was just lost what was going on with Jones. Also Aspinall, atleast what we know does a little bit of everything, seems to be smart and take fights at their easiest energy cost to him.

You also gotta factor in margin of error. If Tom fucks up, good chance he eats what Gane catches him with and the fight goes on. No guarantee of course (it's HW), but we've seen Tom take a decent shot from a much bigger punchers than Gane (Pavlovich).
On the flipside, if (when?) Tom lands there's a very good chance that's it. Everyone he's touched so far has crumbled. And while I don't think Gane necessarily has a glass chin, we saw Tuivasa (who has power to be fair) drop him like a sack of bricks. Good recovery by Gane (and Tai's follow up was spastic flailing), but if that's Tom dropping him I have little doubt that Gane is fucked.

 

[Portland8242]

I predict Gane will absolutely shit the bed in horrible fashion just like he does with every other title fight he's in.