Stipe never beat a good HW in their prime

[L4ST EMPER0R]

Go look at who those guys were beating on those win streaks. They were besting other old, out of their prime fighters or young, unranked guys themselves.

Its like I said the HW division died out in 2013. JDS got the prime beat out of him. Cain's body broke down. DC left the division. Overeem was forced off the juice. And guys like Travis Browne, Bigfoot, Brendan Schaub, Stefan Struve, ect were never able to grow into great fighters. That left the division open to all of the great fighters from Fedor's era to fight into their late 30s and 40s. The division has picked back up in the last several years but inactive Stipe has been holding the belt hostage with rematches and layoffs the whole time so he's avoided almost all of the younger contenders outside of Ngannou.

Now he gets to fight an out of his prime, late 30s Jon Jones.

The losers on this forum who shill for the UFC can't accept the fact that Stipe never beat an all time great HW during their prime so they get insanely butthurt when someone points out this fact.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Nope, not one. Zip. Zero. Nada.

Roy Nelson - 37yrs old
Gabriel Gonzaga - 34yrs old
Mark Hunt - 41yrs old
Andrei Arlovski - 37yrs old
Fabricio Werdum - 39yrs old
Alistair Overeem - 36yrs old, non-Uber
Junior Dos Santos - post-Cain & Overeem
Francis Ngannou - Green
Daniel Cormier - 40yrs old
Daniel Cormier - 41yrs old

In fact the only prime HWs he faced...Francis, JDS, Struve...all beat him.

Stipe can never be the GOAT HW because he doesn't have a single legitimately great win. Not one.

Because of this Stipe firmly ranks behind Fedor, Big Nog, Cain, JDS, Couture, Werdum, and probably a few others.

So who is he suppose to fight at that time to make you satisfied?

I'm not even a Stipe fan, and it's not his fault if he did fight these guys out of their prime. It's just the nature of the evolution of the sport. He fought pretty much everyone that was ranked highly at that time.

That's all that matters. He feared no man.

 

[Dan O'Burke]

Nope, not one. Zip. Zero. Nada.

Roy Nelson - 37yrs old
Gabriel Gonzaga - 34yrs old
Mark Hunt - 41yrs old
Andrei Arlovski - 37yrs old
Fabricio Werdum - 39yrs old
Alistair Overeem - 36yrs old, non-Uber
Junior Dos Santos - post-Cain & Overeem
Francis Ngannou - Green
Daniel Cormier - 40yrs old
Daniel Cormier - 41yrs old

In fact the only prime HWs he faced...Francis, JDS, Struve...all beat him.

Stipe can never be the GOAT HW because he doesn't have a single legitimately great win. Not one.

Because of this Stipe firmly ranks behind Fedor, Big Nog, Cain, JDS, Couture, Werdum, and probably a few others.

The word "prime" is way overused on this site.

 

[OneOfOne]

The word "prime" is way overused on this site.

Perhaps. But when guys are 38, 39, 40yrs old or punch drunk I think its safe to say they are no longer in their primes.

 

[L4ST EMPER0R]

So who is he suppose to fight at that time to make you satisfied?

I'm not even a Stipe fan, and it's not his fault if he did fight these guys out of their prime. It's just the nature of the evolution of the sport. He fought pretty much everyone that was ranked highly at that time.

That's all that matters. He feared no man.

Stipe fought who was put in front of him but that doesn't mean the guys in front of him weren't washed up. Stipe is still a top 5-6 HW of all time but the fact that he never beat an all time great HW in their prime will hold him back from surpassing guys like Fedor, Nog, Werdum, DC, Junior and maybe even Cain. This isn't disrespect to Stipe. Being a top 5-6 HW of all time is a major achievement.

 

[Dan O'Burke]

He beat Francis didn't he?

Yeah, but according to OP, Francis was "green" the first time (so none of Stipe's wins were legit apparently). Francis was a machine back then and Stipe forced him to become more well rounded.

 

[Dan O'Burke]

Stipe fought who was put in front of him but that doesn't mean the guys in front of him weren't washed up. Stipe is still a top 5-6 HW of all time but the fact that he never beat an all time great HW in their prime will hold him back from surpassing guys like Fedor, Nog, Werdum, DC, Junior and maybe even Cain. This isn't disrespect to Stipe. Being a top 5-6 HW of all time is a major achievement.

Stipe beat a ton of guys on that list you provided.

 

[Dan O'Burke]

You're a pathetic UFC shill lmaaoo

Mirko, Nog and AA wouldn't lose to STEFAN STRUVE in their 20s. The same Struve who knocked prime 30 year old Stipe dead in Stipes 10th fight. You UFC fanboys are so desperate and pathetic. You give Fedor zero credit for beating AA when he was in his 20s but blow Stipe for knocking out old ass 37 year old AA after he'd been knocked out like 8 times already. Pathetic ufc fanboy chumps lol

Would Stipe have lost to Randleman and Ricco Rodriguez (I don't care what the judges said)??? He also beat Gonzaga who head kicked Mirko into the next galaxy. And Arlovski was 30 when he fought Fedor and was beating him before trying a stupid move because he got cocky!

 

[MigitAs]

Nope, not one. Zip. Zero. Nada.

Roy Nelson - 37yrs old
Gabriel Gonzaga - 34yrs old
Mark Hunt - 41yrs old
Andrei Arlovski - 37yrs old
Fabricio Werdum - 39yrs old
Alistair Overeem - 36yrs old, non-Uber
Junior Dos Santos - post-Cain & Overeem
Francis Ngannou - Green
Daniel Cormier - 40yrs old
Daniel Cormier - 41yrs old

In fact the only prime HWs he faced...Francis, JDS, Struve...all beat him.

Stipe can never be the GOAT HW because he doesn't have a single legitimately great win. Not one.

Because of this Stipe firmly ranks behind Fedor, Big Nog, Cain, JDS, Couture, Werdum, and probably a few others.

Preach OP, preach! Imo Stipe has been massively overrated for years, a lot of his wins were facing guys way past their prime or the opposite.

 

[L4ST EMPER0R]

Would Stipe have lost to Randleman and Ricco Rodriguez (I don't care what the judges said)??? He also beat Gonzaga who head kicked Mirko into the next galaxy. And Arlovski was 30 when he fought Fedor and was beating him before trying a stupid move because he got cocky!

Stipe lost to Struve when he was 30 in his 10th fight. He could lose to someone like Randleman or Rico or beat them. But that's a separate discussion. This thread is about Stipe never beating an all time great HW in their prime.

 

[dammage]

I'd say N'Gannou was in his prime when Stipe beat him, 11-1 in MMA 6-0 in the UFC and 33-34 years old? I think the rematch was more about Stipe getting old than N'Gannou getting significantly better but there was a bit of both. Still I'd consider that prime NGannou. Werdum is an all time great and he was 38, champion and ontop of his game..it's a prime win for sure. The Cormier wins are more iffy, but he started late and still rose to greatness...the only man to beat Cormier besides Stipe was Jones, they significant wins. The JDS, Overeem and Arlovski wins were clearly over men not in their primes.

Deep down you know that ngannou got significantly better in the second fight,doesnt negate your points though

 

[Dan O'Burke]

Stipe lost to Struve when he was 30 in his 10th fight. He could lose to someone like Randleman or Rico or beat them. But that's a separate discussion. This thread is about Stipe never beating an all time great HW in their prime.

Ok, would Stipe ever lose to Dan Henderson? Because this is basically a Fedor vs Stipe debate.

 

[L4ST EMPER0R]

Ok, would Stipe ever lose to Dan Henderson? Because this is basically a Fedor vs Stipe debate.

Hendo could beat anyone.

 

[cburm]

Nope, not one. Zip. Zero. Nada.

Roy Nelson - 37yrs old
Gabriel Gonzaga - 34yrs old
Mark Hunt - 41yrs old
Andrei Arlovski - 37yrs old
Fabricio Werdum - 39yrs old
Alistair Overeem - 36yrs old, non-Uber
Junior Dos Santos - post-Cain & Overeem
Francis Ngannou - Green
Daniel Cormier - 40yrs old
Daniel Cormier - 41yrs old

In fact the only prime HWs he faced...Francis, JDS, Struve...all beat him.

Stipe can never be the GOAT HW because he doesn't have a single legitimately great win. Not one.

Because of this Stipe firmly ranks behind Fedor, Big Nog, Cain, JDS, Couture, Werdum, and probably a few others.

Francis was undefeated and ran through everyone and stipe managed to get a win.. you're a moron bud stop trying to discredit his wins

 

[chiefwiggum]

They actually were all in their prime until Stipe beat them.. Hell Ngannou went on to be the baddest man on the planet...

Nganou doubled his experience. He was a complete novice to fighting the first go around.

 

[Izzysexboyfriend]

Neither did Francis besides Blaydes

 

[Wonderfight]

So when was Stipes prime then? When he got KTFO by Stefan Struve at 30 years old in his 10th fight? Or when he got beat up by post Cain CTE Junior or when he got knocked out by fat blob 40 year old, post back surgery DC?

I am just saying that people act like Stipe was 25 year old when he beat some of those guys. Also he obviously progressed later in his career. And he could be considered old when he fought DC, nothing is perfect. He was just better than all those legends skill-wise and there is nothing they can do about it. Guys like Werdum didn’t have boxing or wrestling to compete with Stipe even when they were 10 years younger. Only one that is debatable is DC because he didn’t have the cardio for prolonged wrestling, but still, Stipe wasn’t some fresh chicken in those fights and DC would still defeat anyone but him in that division.

 

[Iroh]

I mean he's not wrong tho. And look at all the bro scientists saying guys are in their prime at like 35 or 40. Just no lol. Hws just fight into old age, that's it. They're not in their prime and it's... fairly obvious to tell just by watching them fight.

There is a difference between physical prime and fightkng prime. A HW's fighting prime generally goes into an older age, than the lower weightclasses, due to HW MMA being almost a different game with more power and generally less speed and less technical. Speed is the first to go, so it affects the lower weight classes more, because they depend more on speed, than the bigger guys And a fighter's knowledge can only grow with age, unless they have severe CTE I guess. And experience is invaluable for a fighter. Experience was the main reason Econoreem was able to get a shot agaist Stipe.

 

[OneOfOne]

There is a difference between physical prime and fightkng prime. A HW's fighting prime generally goes into an older age, than the lower weightclasses, due to HW MMA being almost a different game with more power and generally less speed and less technical. Speed is the first to go, so it affects the lower weight classes more, because they depend more on speed, than the bigger guys And a fighter's knowledge can only grow with age, unless they have severe CTE I guess. And experience is invaluable for a fighter. Experience was the main reason Econoreem was able to get a shot agaist Stipe.

Thats not true. That only seemed that way during Stipe's era because the division died out in 2013. Older guys from the Pride era were able to hang on longer than normal. EcoReem only got a shot because he went on a winning streak against other old, past their prime fighters.

 

[Melas Chasma]

Nope, not one. Zip. Zero. Nada.

Roy Nelson - 37yrs old
Gabriel Gonzaga - 34yrs old
Mark Hunt - 41yrs old
Andrei Arlovski - 37yrs old
Fabricio Werdum - 39yrs old
Alistair Overeem - 36yrs old, non-Uber
Junior Dos Santos - post-Cain & Overeem
Francis Ngannou - Green
Daniel Cormier - 40yrs old
Daniel Cormier - 41yrs old

In fact the only prime HWs he faced...Francis, JDS, Struve...all beat him.

Stipe can never be the GOAT HW because he doesn't have a single legitimately great win. Not one.

Because of this Stipe firmly ranks behind Fedor, Big Nog, Cain, JDS, Couture, Werdum, and probably a few others.

Nelson was in his prime, other than that you got it right.