Stipe never beat a good HW in their prime
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Struve wasn't old and JDS was in his early thirties. So if we are strictly going by physical prime, JDS wasn't that far removed, if at all, and even a past his prime Roy was still dangerous and Ecoreem still used his experience to excute a smart gameplan against him. Arlovksi was definitely not at his best, but Reem still had to fight smart, because again, HW is a different game where there is much more power, and that version of Arlovski was still very able to hurt and KO Econoreem's glass chin. The game has changed a bit though, and it will be harder to reach the top at HW for older fighters, but I definitely think 35 year olds will still be able to reach or be at the top, for a while, there, if they manage to stay healthy of course.
And Overeem was himself past his physical prime, so it's not like it was in his advantage when fighting fighters past their physical primes
Not to mention Ngannou was 35 when he fought Gane and that's this era. And the rumor is that it's not even his real age and that he is older. 35 was supposedly his immigration age, back then.
And also, an even older Reem was able to beat the much younger Pavlovich with a smart gameplan, through experience.
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name 10 elite UFC fighters who hit their prime after 34 without PEDs (this disqualifies Randy, Dan Henderson, Vitor)
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Dan Henderson is an all time great and was infinitely better than Struve and Fedor lost to Henderson 11 years and 40 fights into his career.
Fedor wasn't losing to a can like Struve 3 years into his career. That was Stipe. Nice mama joke, clown. My feelings are really hurt.
Struve is 260 pounds and was like 30 prime.
Hendo is a MW and was 40.
Fedor got owned 3 times in a row. Werdum 1 minute sub, Big Foot brutal pummeling, Hendo 1 round KO.
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And Brett Rogers was giving Fedor a hard fight, a very hard fight. Fedor should've fought MW or LHW. I guess HW has more cans. VS Arona he barely won.
Fedor is a all time great. But his sherdog Fans are a all time cheerleader club with pink pom poms.
Henderson is also heavyweight, same like Couture or DC. He fought in multiple divisions, among them in HW.
Henderson beat both Nogueira and Fedor, and he won RINGS HW tournament where he aslo beat Yvel and Sobral at HW.
Someone who won tough HW tournament is also legit HW.
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Such a dumb post. He beat Ngannou when Ngannou was absolutely searching everyone in his way. It was arguably his best win because of how badly he dismantled him. Him knocking out Werdum was largely due to Werdum deciding to bum rush Stipe for some reason. Like what was he thinking?
Cormier was still very very good when he fought Stipe at least the second time. The last time he looked pretty checked out.
Fedor is the GOAT and never lost in his prime.
Stipe however is a legend in his own right and currently the UFC HW goat which is why Jones wants him as a victim so bad.
I'd argue however that Stipe beat Werdun in his prime as Werdun while old was the UFC heavyweight champ at the time and coming off his second best overall win in Cain Velasquez. Sure Fabricio underestimated Stipe and paid the price but it's still an exceptional win for Stipe over an ATG and overall the best submission specialist MMA heavyweight we have ever seen.
If Stipe beats Jones it will be legendary which is why I hope the fight happens. Jones is in his prime at HW currently and Stipe is past prime but still dangerous. As far as names go Jones vs Stipe is pinnacle UFC.
Stipe however is a legend in his own right and currently the UFC HW goat which is why Jones wants him as a victim so bad.
I'd argue however that Stipe beat Werdun in his prime as Werdun while old was the UFC heavyweight champ at the time and coming off his second best overall win in Cain Velasquez. Sure Fabricio underestimated Stipe and paid the price but it's still an exceptional win for Stipe over an ATG and overall the best submission specialist MMA heavyweight we have ever seen.
If Stipe beats Jones it will be legendary which is why I hope the fight happens. Jones is in his prime at HW currently and Stipe is past prime but still dangerous. As far as names go Jones vs Stipe is pinnacle UFC.
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Fedor and Stipe are both all time greats
I'm being disrespectful cause I need a cigarette.
Stipe did have a older division. Still great wins. Fedor era was also easier then the ear afterwards with JDS Cain Reem DC
The Big Foot loss was a tad unfair dude was like 300 pounds on trt replacement
Can't effectively compare eras and primes
Fedor is undersized but that got it's perks too
Who is better. Both ? Two specimens.
I'm being disrespectful cause I need a cigarette.
Stipe did have a older division. Still great wins. Fedor era was also easier then the ear afterwards with JDS Cain Reem DC
The Big Foot loss was a tad unfair dude was like 300 pounds on trt replacement
Can't effectively compare eras and primes
Fedor is undersized but that got it's perks too
Who is better. Both ? Two specimens.
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Agree. Tried to explain this as well but it went over people head.
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So when was Stipes prime then? When he got KTFO by Stefan Struve at 30 years old in his 10th fight? Or when he got beat up by post Cain CTE Junior or when he got knocked out by fat blob 40 year old, post back surgery DC?
The Struve fight was typical of a prospect loss, where an undefeated up-and-comer who hasn't internalized yet the fact that yes he CAN lose comes up against a much more experienced fighter. JDS was the first time Stipe fought for 25 minutes, and it showed him his cardio still needed beefing up. Learning experiences both, and vital to making Stipe what he became.
Either your memory fails you or you're deliberately misstating, but Stipe-DC 1 was PRE surgery. And the KO came by what I'd call a "one weird trick" play — a carefully set up sequence to exploit a slight crack in the other's game. (Think how Grasso got the belt, just WAITING for Shevchenko to throw that back kick so she could pounce with the sequence she drilled for months). In Stipe's case, being a tad lazy in getting his fists back up after breaking from a clinch. DC tried to pull it off in the other fights but Stipe easily withstood the same kind of blow that first felled him. Again, learning experience. People can argue when a prime is, but hopefully one is never too old to learn.
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No it's just your pea sized brain thinks winning world titles means your competition isn't so good. They need a time machine and test the Champs vs the best fighters in their best moments.
Like Werdum Was 39 but was he the champ or not ? Easy to talk with a bear in your hand and joint in mouth. You're very disapreciating Stipes performances.
Well it's ok you're a noob who never fought and it makes sense in your pea sized brain.
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Noob? Been here longer than you lol. I like stipe but like all fighters. His career will get a deeper look just like everyone else.
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Unless it's Fedor fighting a 40+ year old, one-dimensional, 1997-skillset Mark Coleman who ended his career as a LHW being finished by an older but much better Randy Couture. Coleman has been brought up countless times to give Fedor credit for "beating a former UFC champ" and "proving he could beat an elite HW wrestler."
Cro-Cop also gets credit for "other wordly" TDD for defending shots an ancient Coleman telegraphed from 15 feet away. Everyone forgets Big Nog and Gonzaga (BJJ guys, not wrestlers) taking Mirko down.
I would consider Stipe a "great HW". Id put him in the top 10 all time. Its just that when compared to other great HWs like Fedor, Nog, Cain, JDS, Werdum, and even guys like Barnett and Couture he's lacking the great wins they all have. He's not definitely a top 5 HW leylt alone the HW GOAT like so many make him out to be.
