Stipe never beat a good HW in their prime

OneOfOne said:
He beat Gonzaga when Gonzaga was ranked in the top 5.
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Did you watch that fight? Randy shattered Gonzaga's nose with an accidental headbutt and the referee didn't notice. It was awesome but would have been a No Contest had the ref done his job.
 
Werdum had only won like 9 outta 10 while smashing Fedor and Cain but not a good win.

Francis in a title shot wasn’t in his prime?

Conclusion?

OP has CTE
 
30's is still prime but they did have a lot of milage on them, so I guess its something to think about.
 
Werdum was champ...dont know when you think he was better



His last 8 fights have featured the worlds 2 top HWs, regardless of you trying to justify your Pride heroes' failures wifh your definition of "prime"
 
nostradumbass said:
How was Ngannou "green"? He was 32 years old and had been a pro fighter for 5 years.


He got KO'd by Struve.
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Struve is 13-11 in the UFC.

HWs gonna HW...especially in samctioned, drug tested fights.
Just ask Fedor---who is 15-6 with one top 5 win in 16 years outside of japan


Henderson hasnever ko'd a HW not named Fedor and would lose to Struve
 
Another one of these. And let me take a guess...

All of Jone's wins were over the hill legends
All of Anderson's wins were against sub par competition
All of GSP's wins were one dimensional bums
All of Aldo's wins were weak because they were cutting too much weight
All of MM's wins were at 125... so you know.... they suck

Any body else I'm forgetting?
 
Canadian Kicker said:
Another one of these. And let me take a guess...

All of Jone's wins were over the hill legends
All of Anderson's wins were against sub par competition
All of GSP's wins were one dimensional bums
All of Aldo's wins were weak because they were cutting too much weight
All of MM's wins were at 125... so you know.... they suck

Any body else I'm forgetting?
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None of the above is true. But it is true that none of Stipes opponents were in their primes.
 
OneOfOne said:
Nope, not one. Zip. Zero. Nada.

Roy Nelson - 37yrs old
Gabriel Gonzaga - 34yrs old
Mark Hunt - 41yrs old
Andrei Arlovski - 37yrs old
Fabricio Werdum - 39yrs old
Alistair Overeem - 36yrs old, non-Uber
Junior Dos Santos - post-Cain & Overeem
Francis Ngannou - Green
Daniel Cormier - 40yrs old
Daniel Cormier - 41yrs old

In fact the only prime HWs he faced...Francis, JDS, Struve...all beat him.

Stipe can never be the GOAT HW because he doesn't have a single legitimately great win. Not one.

Because of this Stipe firmly ranks behind Fedor, Big Nog, Cain, JDS, Couture, Werdum, and probably a few others.
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Pretty retarded take if I do say so myself.
 
OneOfOne said:
None of the above is true. But it is true that none of Stipes opponents were in their primes.
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Every one of those have a smidge of truth just as the Stipe comment does. Fact of the matter is he consistently beat the top fighters in the world at the time. You are calling them out of prime to fit you agenda. Your basing prime on age (not performance). We all know "prime" is not the same age for every fighter, nor every weight class.

What were these opponents records in the 5 fights leading up to the title shot?
What about their performances leading up to the fight would cause you to say they are out of their prime?
 
chillyoo said:
Werdum had only won like 9 outta 10 while smashing Fedor and Cain but not a good win.

Francis in a title shot wasn’t in his prime?

Conclusion?

OP has CTE
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“Smashing” Fedor? He caught him in a triangle.
 
OneOfOne said:
When he was younger, more active, less sluggish?



40yr olds...
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The Werdum that beat Cain is the best version of Werdum we’ve ever seen. That was a masterclass in Muay Thai and jiujitsu at heavyweight. He was never a better striker than he was that night.
 
DayV said:
Pride fighters like Nog, Cro Cop, Fedor did in 5 years of Japan entire 15-year careers of modern UFC champions, matching equal or greater number of good to great opponents in a lot shorter time period, with 3 times higher wear & tear frequency.

Stipe (2010 - 2023):

great opponents: DC 3x, Ngannou 2x, JDS 2x, Overeem, Arlovski, Werdum, Jones

good opponents: Nelson, Gonzaga, Struve, De Fries, Hunt

Nogueira (just 2001-2006):

great opponents: Fedor 3x, Cro Cop, Coleman, Herring 1, Barnett 2x, Ricco

good opponents: Shilt, Werdum, Herring 2, Henderson, Valentijn, Volk Han, Sapp, Inoue, Kharitonov, Goodridge
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When was the last relevant HW fight that took place in Japan?
 
OneOfOne said:
Nope, not one. Zip. Zero. Nada.

Roy Nelson - 37yrs old
Gabriel Gonzaga - 34yrs old
Mark Hunt - 41yrs old
Andrei Arlovski - 37yrs old
Fabricio Werdum - 39yrs old
Alistair Overeem - 36yrs old, non-Uber
Junior Dos Santos - post-Cain & Overeem
Francis Ngannou - Green
Daniel Cormier - 40yrs old
Daniel Cormier - 41yrs old

In fact the only prime HWs he faced...Francis, JDS, Struve...all beat him.

Stipe can never be the GOAT HW because he doesn't have a single legitimately great win. Not one.

Because of this Stipe firmly ranks behind Fedor, Big Nog, Cain, JDS, Couture, Werdum, and probably a few others.
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The fact that he went toe-toe with a near prime JDS for 5 in an extremely competitive fight would make me say otherwise… JDS was no doubt the second best HW on the planet back then, let alone having one of the best resumes all time of any HW, Stipe pushed him to his limit after only a dozen or so fights IIRC.
 
Stipe has faced top 5 competition exclusively and mistly top 2 for like a dozen straight fights now.

Meanwhile Fedor has faced one top 5 hw in a 16 year career outside of japan. hes 15-6 in those fights. 3 one sided losses in a row to non top 10 hws at 33-34...one of those a mw with zero orher hw ko's...werdum may have been top 10

His career conrinued another 12 years despite, ya know, needing a walker to reach the cage against Hendo.

Bless you Pride stans lol
 
MartinGibson86 said:
Stipe has faced top 5 competition exclusively and mistly top 2 for like a dozen straight fights now.
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The HW division died out in 2013. Being a top 5 HW in 2016 isnt as impressive as being top 5 before 2013. The top 5 HWs during Stipes era were mostly over the hill 40yr olds.

Meanwhile Fedor has faced one top 5 hw in a 16 year career outside of japan. hes 15-6 in those fights. 3 one sided losses in a row to non top 10 hws at 33-34...one of those a mw with zero orher hw ko's...werdum may have been top 10
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What does it matter if those fights were inside or outside of Japan? Even still Fedor faced and beat 2 top 5 HWs outside of Japan.
 
Benoitthegr8 said:
The fact that he went toe-toe with a near prime JDS for 5 in an extremely competitive fight would make me say otherwise… JDS was no doubt the second best HW on the planet back then, let alone having one of the best resumes all time of any HW, Stipe pushed him to his limit after only a dozen or so fights IIRC.
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That was post-Cain JDS
 
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