Stipe never beat a good HW in their prime

[Mr Moist]

Cain would have absolutely destroyed Stipe in career altering fashion.

Too bad he couldn’t stop destroying himself with injuries.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

More revisionist history. Werdum was supposed to sub Stipe, Overeem was supposed to KTFO him, Cormier was supposed to take the trilogy. But he put out those fires - you haters are the only ones still burning up.

 

[Sano]

Not sure who's more retarded, you or TS. We'll call it a tie.

Lots of newbs on here.

 

[spinup]

Werdum was the reigning heavyweight champion who had just won 9 out of his last 10 fights, and people are acting like he was dragged out of the retirement home to fight Stipe,

Just said he was not in his prime, like DC, or Hunt. Still solid wins.
I definitely disagree with OP and the gang of Fedor dickriders in the thread.

 

[Marko Polo]

Too bad he couldn’t stop destroying himself with injuries.

Yeah.. glad you agree with me though.

 

[Limeade]

He beat Francis didn't he?

 

[DayV]

Their PRIDE darlings completely disgraced themselves when they left Japan, “out of prime” theory had to be made. Everyone past 33 is a senior citizen.

Pride fighters like Nog, Cro Cop, Fedor did in 5 years of Japan entire 15-year careers of modern UFC champions, matching equal or greater number of good to great opponents in a lot shorter time period, with 3 times higher wear & tear frequency.

Stipe (2010 - 2023):

great opponents: DC 3x, Ngannou 2x, JDS 2x, Overeem, Arlovski, Werdum, Jones

good opponents: Nelson, Gonzaga, Struve, De Fries, Hunt

Nogueira (just 2001-2006):

great opponents: Fedor 3x, Cro Cop, Coleman, Herring 1, Barnett 2x, Ricco

good opponents: Shilt, Werdum, Herring 2, Henderson, Valentijn, Volk Han, Sapp, Inoue, Kharitonov, Goodridge

 

[OneOfOne]

Werdum was the reigning heavyweight champion who had just won 9 out of his last 10 fights, and people are acting like he was dragged out of the retirement home to fight Stipe,

Werdum was almost 40yrs old and only fought twice in the past 2 years against an inactive, broken down Cain and an old Mark Hunt. His fights before that were Travis Browne, Zombie Nog, Mike Russow, and Roy Nelson. Out of all those fights only Travis Browne and maybe Roy Nelson were strong opponents.

Werdum's win streak was mostly old, past their prime, washed out fighters themselves. Same thing with Overeem's & Arlovski's win streaks.

 

[OneOfOne]

Pride fighters like Nog, Cro Cop, Fedor did in 5 years of Japan entire 15-year careers of modern UFC champions, matching equal or greater number of good to great opponents in a lot shorter time period, with 3 times higher wear & tear frequency.

Stipe (2010 - 2023):

great opponents: DC 3x, Ngannou 2x, JDS 2x, Overeem, Arlovski, Werdum, Jones

good opponents: Nelson, Gonzaga, Struve, De Fries, Hunt

Nogueira (just 2001-2006):

great opponents: Fedor 3x, Cro Cop, Coleman, Herring 1, Barnett 2x, Ricco

good opponents: Shilt, Werdum, Herring 2, Henderson, Valentijn, Volk Han, Sapp, Inoue, Kharitonov,

The biggest difference here is Nog's great opponents were ALL in their primes while none of Stipe's were.

 

[Steveston]

All of his opponents were winning consistently that's all that matters really.

 

[OneOfOne]

And yet most of these so-called "out-of-prime" fighters were on some hot-shit runs. Roy Nelson was coming off 3 successive first-round knockouts and was closest to a title shot as he'd ever really get. Werdum was on the longest win streak of his career at 6, Arlovski at the same number which tied HIS longest streaks. The Reem's 4-win streak was long enough to get much of the fandom screaming for him to get a title shot. And talkin' of streaks, you want to talk Ngannou?! Hunt had been spottier, but he had came close to beating Werdum for the interim belt before Fab pulled the ol' misdirection trick to get him to move into his thrown knee. There's only TWO fights between JDS beating Stipe by decision and falling stunned to his knees under Stipe's fists in 2 and half minutes, and neither of those fights had been the Cain beatings to blame the difference on. Etc.

This is such an old and tired attack. I just wish people would consider IT out of prime...

Go look at who those guys were beating on those win streaks. They were besting other old, out of their prime fighters or young, unranked guys themselves.

Its like I said the HW division died out in 2013. JDS got the prime beat out of him. Cain's body broke down. DC left the division. Overeem was forced off the juice. And guys like Travis Browne, Bigfoot, Brendan Schaub, Stefan Struve, ect were never able to grow into great fighters. That left the division open to all of the great fighters from Fedor's era to fight into their late 30s and 40s. The division has picked back up in the last several years but inactive Stipe has been holding the belt hostage with rematches and layoffs the whole time so he's avoided almost all of the younger contenders outside of Ngannou.

Now he gets to fight an out of his prime, late 30s Jon Jones.

 

[abject]

Nope, not one. Zip. Zero. Nada.

Roy Nelson - 37yrs old
Gabriel Gonzaga - 34yrs old
Mark Hunt - 41yrs old
Andrei Arlovski - 37yrs old
Fabricio Werdum - 39yrs old
Alistair Overeem - 36yrs old, non-Uber
Junior Dos Santos - post-Cain & Overeem
Francis Ngannou - Green
Daniel Cormier - 40yrs old
Daniel Cormier - 41yrs old

In fact the only prime HWs he faced...Francis, JDS, Struve...all beat him.

Stipe can never be the GOAT HW because he doesn't have a single legitimately great win. Not one.

Because of this Stipe firmly ranks behind Fedor, Big Nog, Cain, JDS, Couture, Werdum, and probably a few others.

Well said. But the love is strong on this site for Stipe. And understandably so.
Imo, prime Cain would have handled him easily. Cain had just wrecked JDS. JDS then went and beat Stipe.
Ngannou blew his wad badly in the first fight with Stipe. He was gassed beyond recovery after one round. In the second Ngannou handed him a whipping.
Stipe is good but far from goat candidate.

 

[orca]

It's funny when it's convenient for UFC fanboys 40 year Olds are still in their prime...

so if u peak at 37 yrs old your washed up?
its funny fedors best wins where cro cop and nog
the version of fighters stipe fought would demolish both nog and cro cop
theres a reason fedor lost outside japan
he fought better fighters

 

[spinup]

Nope, not one. Zip. Zero. Nada.
Alistair Overeem - 36yrs old, non-Uber

Overeem was forced off the juice.

Can pause a second and reflect on the absurdity of statements like these?
Like beating Overeem is not a legit win because he was no longer juiced to the gills?

 

[OneOfOne]

Can pause a second and reflect on the absurdity of statements like these?
Like beating Overeem is not a legit win because he was no longer juiced to the gills?

Overeem was only a great HW when he was juiced to the gills. Before Overeem became Uber he was a barely top 10 HW who lost every other fight. After the juice guess what? He was once again losing every other fight.

 

[Cracked_Rib]

I think we got to add "Wasn't in my Prime" the all those big books of excuses.

 

[Wonderfight]

Stipe himself was not in prime for a lot of those guys if we ate gonna go down that road. But we all know that is not true with HWs. And to be honest, lot of those fighters could never touch Stipe, prime or not. How do you see Werdum beating Stipe? He will never be able to take him down because he is vastly inferior wrestler and his boxing is nowhere near close. Same goes for a lot of those people…

 

[OneOfOne]

Stipe himself was not in prime for a lot of those guys if we ate gonna go down that road. But we all know that is not true with HWs. And to be honest, lot of those fighters could never touch Stipe, prime or not. How do you see Werdum beating Stipe? He will never be able to take him down because he is vastly inferior wrestler and his boxing is nowhere near close. Same goes for a lot of those people…

I strongly disagree. Prime JDS, Prime Ubereem, and Prime DC would always be the favorites over Prime Stipe. Prime Werdum would be 50/50. Prime Ngannou would probably be the favorite as well.

Id definitely take Prime Stipe over Prime Hunt and Prime Arlovski though. Ill give him that.

 

[L4ST EMPER0R]

so if u peak at 37 yrs old your washed up?
its funny fedors best wins where cro cop and nog
the version of fighters stipe fought would demolish both nog and cro cop
theres a reason fedor lost outside japan
he fought better fighters

You're a pathetic UFC shill lmaaoo

Mirko, Nog and AA wouldn't lose to STEFAN STRUVE in their 20s. The same Struve who knocked prime 30 year old Stipe dead in Stipes 10th fight. You UFC fanboys are so desperate and pathetic. You give Fedor zero credit for beating AA when he was in his 20s but blow Stipe for knocking out old ass 37 year old AA after he'd been knocked out like 8 times already. Pathetic ufc fanboy chumps lol

 

[L4ST EMPER0R]

Stipe himself was not in prime for a lot of those guys if we ate gonna go down that road. But we all know that is not true with HWs. And to be honest, lot of those fighters could never touch Stipe, prime or not. How do you see Werdum beating Stipe? He will never be able to take him down because he is vastly inferior wrestler and his boxing is nowhere near close. Same goes for a lot of those people…

So when was Stipes prime then? When he got KTFO by Stefan Struve at 30 years old in his 10th fight? Or when he got beat up by post Cain CTE Junior or when he got knocked out by fat blob 40 year old, post back surgery DC?