Stipe never beat a good HW in their prime

Trabaho said:
So he was 38 and beat 40 year old DC for the world title.

He only won like 4 - 5 World championships.

Gonzaga 34 is old ?

Francis green.

Overeem not Ubereem. He was Ubereem for exactly 1 UFC fight.

OK.
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Always an excuse lol
 
OneOfOne said:
Nope, not one. Zip. Zero. Nada.

Roy Nelson - 37yrs old
Gabriel Gonzaga - 34yrs old
Mark Hunt - 41yrs old
Andrei Arlovski - 37yrs old
Fabricio Werdum - 39yrs old
Alistair Overeem - 36yrs old, non-Uber
Junior Dos Santos - post-Cain & Overeem
Francis Ngannou - Green
Daniel Cormier - 40yrs old
Daniel Cormier - 41yrs old

In fact the only prime HWs he faced...Francis, JDS, Struve...all beat him.

Stipe can never be the GOAT HW because he doesn't have a single legitimately great win. Not one.

Because of this Stipe firmly ranks behind Fedor, Big Nog, Cain, JDS, Couture, Werdum, and probably a few others.
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And in over half of what you have listed, including losses to Cormier and Ngannou, Stipe was also out of his prime.

Weird.
 
Kevin Sorbo said:
Actually a lot of fighters hit their prime in their mid to late 30's or even older.
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Definitely do not hit their primes in their mid 30s or even older...maybe are still in their primes and that's almost exclusively a thing for LHW and HW since big guys age slower, fight less often and the talent pools are much more shallow. At 170lbs and lower 34 tends to be about the end of a fighters prine.
 
HWs get better in their 30s. They rely less on speed (compared to smaller divisions). Their skills get sharper and their tactics get smarter with experience. Only Fedor got really shitty when he turned 30 and got out-wrestled, out-grappled, out-muscled, over-powered, and KTFO by a 40 y.o. middle weight. So, your whole premise is eating-paint-chips level of dumb. Stipe beating Cormier twice and avenging his loss is better than the entirety of Fedor's can-crushing "career" in the circus fight leagues of PRIDE.

Jarl
 
I like how Ngannou is considered green, despite blasting dudes left and right before his first fight with Stipe. Other than the very weird Lewis fight, he's blasted everyone else as well.
 
welcometohavoc said:
I like how Ngannou is considered green, despite blasting dudes left and right before his first fight with Stipe. Other than the very weird Lewis fight, he's blasted everyone else as well.
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Ngannou had never seriously trained wrestling before the first Stipe fight. However, Stipe outboxed him.
 
HuskySamoan said:
I think the rematch was more about Stipe getting old than N'Gannou getting significantly better but there was a bit of both.
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The fight would have been closer then, but he got completely outclassed, it wasn't competitive.

So while i agree that an older age was definitely a factor, the real reason was that Ngannou was just the better fighter this time.

DC got older too but still put 2 very competitive fights against Miocic.
 
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Yellowcrab said:
The fight would have been closer then, but he got completely outclassed, it wasn't competitive.

So while i agree that an older age was definitely a factor, the real reason was that Ngannou was jut the better fighter this time.

DC got older too but still put 2 very competitive fights against Miocic.
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I think the three Cormier wars along with age took a lot out of Stipe, by the time he rewatched N'Gannou he was becoming a shell of himself. I think Ngannou also improved but it's hearsay after that, you can have your opinion.

No shit DC gets older, nobody ever gets young and I already stated that. Regardless of DC being old he was the HW champ, an all time great and got into the sport super late. Stipe was the only many to ever beat Cormier at HW, he probably wasn't in his prime but those wins are hugely significant, Cormier was still elite and atop the division.
 
HuskySamoan said:
I think the three Cormier wars along with age took a lot out of Stipe, by the time he rewatched N'Gannou he was becoming a shell of himself.
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The fight should have been more competitive, no matter what excuse you bring on the table.

He lost by KO against Cormier, yet managed to win his next fights against him.

Ngannou was simply the better fighter, that was the determining factor, even though his age was certainly a factor.

DC had wars against Jon Jones, yet still managed to beat a younger Miocic at 39 years old.

Also wars are not an excuse, it's the fighter problem if he can't preserve himself enough in a fight...
 
Yellowcrab said:
The fight should have been more competitive, no matter what excuse you bring on the table.

He lost by KO against Cormier, yet managed to win his next fights against him.

Ngannou was simply the better fighter, that was the determining factor, even though his age was certainly a factor.

DC had wars against Jon Jones, yet still managed to beat a younger Miocic at 39 years old.

Also wars are not an excuse, it's the fighter problem if he can't preserve himself enough in a fight...
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As is the case with every fighter with bad losses to people they should beat

Every great heavyweight has one
 
Yellowcrab said:
The fight should have been more competitive, no matter what excuse you bring on the table.

He lost by KO against Cormier, yet managed to win his next fights against him.

Ngannou was simply the better fighter, that was the determining factor, even though his age was certainly a factor.

DC had wars against Jon Jones, yet still managed to beat a younger Miocic at 39 years old.

Also wars are not an excuse, it's the fighter problem if he can't preserve himself enough in a fight...
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Sure, wars definitely age and diminish a fighter but nobody ever said it was N'Gannous fault but it doesn't make it any less true. Sure they can be excuses but if you look at guys in their mid to late 30s getting knocked out, rocked and weathering 4 and 5 round wars at Heavyweight they tend to age terribly, it's quantifiable more than an opinion. Comparing Cormier to Stipe is stupid, I'm sorry but you don't seem to grasp what I'm saying. Cormier primarily wrestlers and does a great job avoiding taking damage, sure Jones knocked out Cormier but Stipe had suffered very violent defeats years prior to the Cormier knockout loss as it was vs Stefan Struve and JDS. Let's just compare punch absorption rates between the two guys Stipe absorbs 3.82 strikes per minute to Cormiers 2.92, also Stipe absorbed over 1100 significant strikes in his UFC career, Stipe in 18 UFC bouts absorbed hundreds more significant strikes than Cormier did across 23 SF and UFC bouts.

It's not N'Gannous fault but this is just the reality of the matter. Measuring and acknowledging Stipes decline between when he fought N'Gannou and when they rematched is something I base on statistics. You can think the major factor was N'Gannous improvements and I think Ngannou improved as well but I tend to think the big difference between the performances was Stipes decline via aging and sustaining considerably more damage across the 3 Cormier fights.
 
HuskySamoan said:
It's not N'Gannous fault but this is just the reality of the matter. Measuring and acknowledging Stipes decline between when he fought N'Gannou and when they rematched is something I base on statistics. You can think the major factor was N'Gannous improvements and I think Ngannou improved as well but I tend to think the big difference between the performances was Stipes decline via aging and sustaining considerably more damage across the 3 Cormier fights.
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https://bloodyelbow.com/2019/05/06/...ber-lesnar-lewis-miocic-heavyweight-mma-news/ : “I had a disc that was bulging out of my back and sitting on my sciatic nerve. It was out two inches of the chamber that holds the disc in. Two inches the disc was out – I couldn’t even walk. Deron Winn actually had to carry me out of my house and into my truck to take me all around to see doctors because my wife was having to deal with my children. It was bad.

“I would have fought in March if I was healthy. I probably really shouldn’t have fought Derrick Lewis.”

Instead, after Brock Lesnar abruptly retired, Cormier will meet Stipe Miocic in a rematch at UFC 241 in July.

Once again, stop with the excuses : the better fighter won, even though Stipe was past prime. But being past prime is not an excuse for being completely outclassed.
 
You can do this bs with most fighters, Stipe beat the guys he was given. It's not like Gastelum where he beat a bunch of old dudes coming off of one or more brutal finish losses.

I don't think he's the GOAT but some of the guys he beat were on good streaks. Francis was 6-0 in the UFC and starching everybody.
 
Holy hell, you complete mongs genuinely think 39-year-old men are 'still in their prime'.
 
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