Stipe has 3 record at HW and still underrated

[Hitman]

the notion he fought a peak dc (39 if I remember correctly in the first fight) or a peak reem (non uberreem and concussed by a breeze) is laughable. Stipe is one of the best HW’s in history with a long list of great names but let’s call a spade a spade, he fought a lot of guys who weren’t exactly young (except Frank) however he fought who was in front of him so it’s not his fault, he hasn’t ducked anyone. He gets underrated a lot which is undeserved but we gotta be real about his opponents to make a fair assessment of him.

Your comment and argument ARE STUPID ! Just tell "he wasn't at his prime because 39 is.... STIPID" ! 39 isn't 60 or 70 years old !
DC was the best version at HW, maybe if he stayed at HW since his LHW period he would peak at this time.... but nobody knows !
DC was :
best skills than ever
more experience
Punch harder than ever ( except in fight against Bigfoot, it is discutable, he was at the same weight than first and second fight )
More durable and better chin than ever ( he was afraid of punch in Strikeforce )
Hands faster than ever at HW
Cardio was very good for a 247 lbs guy ( against Barnett he was at 238 lbs and wasn't pressure like that )
Ok he was less fast, explosive and agile

For reem, he was more skilled, more IQ fighter ans faster more cardio than Ubereem ! ( Ubereem gassed against Werdum in strikeforce )

 

[Sure Dawg]

- 3 title defense streak

- Won 6 title fight

- 1285 days UFC HW champion ( In progress )

- 15 trimester ranked Number 1 of the world at HW ( 2nd best behind Fedor and in progress )

He beats the best at or near their prime :

- Werdum : UFC Champion, 2 x ADCC Champion, 10 wins streak ( victory on Fedor, Cain when they were undipsuted, and near Ubereem ( lost controversy ) )

- Reem : He was at his technical and tactical prime, and maybe confidence prime ! Phyicaly, he was faster and more agility abd cardio than Ubereem, even if less stronger or explosiveness....

- JDS : OK he wasn't at his prime with USADA, but still dangerous and kick very well !

- Ngannou : Green but he destroyed him every second ! Media told Ngannou will be the GOAT and Stipe toys with him

- DC : Best trilogy and rivality af all time ! Technicaly DC was at prime, and physically, he was stronger, more durable and chin and heavier ( 247 lbs ) with more punch and hands speed than ever !
Maybe he lost speed, explosiveness and angility
For his cardio, at 247 lbs he was very good, it is diffucut to say if his cardio was at prime or not !


In 2021, if he beats prime Ngannou and HW Jones, i think he could be in the discussion for surpassed Fedor like the GOAT

What do you make of this?



Also you said good win against JDS but sadly it wasn't at his prime due to usada.

But you forgot! We did get to see this fight in his prime!

 

[Andreh]

Funny that shows up as win on Fedors record and speaking of wins, Stipe has how many exactly in his entire career? Lol

If you consider beating bums in Japanese soil are wins to celebrate, that's your criteria. Ok, Stipe lost to Struve (lucky punch, but he lost, ok), but at least Struve is not Maldonado, a bum from a below division to make it worse lol.

 

[TR1]

Not only an overrated bum, but a filthy cheat as well:

 

[waldywaldy]

Dude fought 5 times in the last 4 years

3 times against the same old ass LHW

But whatever

 

[djason1988]

Stipe is a great champion who's fought mostly great competition, and I agree he's under-rated in some ways, but over-rated in others.

In terms of his skills, I think he's pretty over-rated. He's a rangey striker with good wrestling, and that's it; basically, he's just an improved version of Tim Sylvia.

What Stipe doesn't get enough credit for is his mental game. He's excellent at always showing up to fights in shape and a good gameplan. He rarely makes mistakes in fights, at least critical ones, and he's proven to be able to fight through adversity. I think that's been the key to his success.

Couldn't have said it better. In any other division, somebody with his skillset would be a gatekeeper, but at heavyweight, with one punch ko power, it works. His real talent is definitely his mental state.

 

[Hitman]

What do you make of this?



Also you said good win against JDS but sadly it wasn't at his prime due to usada.

But you forgot! We did get to see this fight in his prime!

Your post is fully wrong :

1/ Some people are obsessed by this fight after 8 years.... Stipe improved everywhere and destroyed fighter who destroyed themselves Struve !
Question is : If Struve and Stipe fight today, what would be the result ?

2/ When Stipe fought JDS the first time, USADA wasn't present at ufc ( it was 6 month before )

3/ Stipe wasn't in his prime during this fight and result was close to a draw !
Fight between Prime JDS and prime Stipe ( 2017-today ) would be EPIC

 

[SerbBerserk]

Sherdog has a weird hatred for Stipe, they will probably love him once he actually retires but for now they will continue to gush over Ngannou, until he probably loses 50-45 and then they act like Ngannou was an unskilled bum who never had a chance against Stipe.

 

[thobra]

Stipe is great, but I dont think he is underrated, but rather overrated by some. Stipe has many good names on his resume, but he also lost to some guys he really shouldn’t have lost to. He is very far from being the goat HW.

 

[COBRA03]

All these stats for Stipe are nice, and he is defiantly one of the best HW's ever. However, one important stat that Miocic can't even approach, is that Fedor never lost a fight from 2001 until 2009 and won 20+ fights in a row. I am not a Fedor fan, but that is incredible!

 

[Merlotte's]

Beat a bunch of 40 year old men and fat dudes during his career.

 

[mjfan23]

If you consider beating bums in Japanese soil are wins to celebrate, that's your criteria. Ok, Stipe lost to Struve (lucky punch, but he lost, ok), but at least Struve is not Maldonado, a bum from a below division to make it worse lol.

But Fedor actually beat maldando and has a win over him lol

lucky punch by struve? sure. Struve beat him all over the cage as did jds when they first fought. Stipe can’t beat anyone young he’s basically beating guys Fedor beat or guys were not on Fedor level ten to fifteen years ago.

And lol at Japanese soil and bums. UFCs greatest champion Anderson got subbed silly and out struck in Japan by Japanese manlets.

 

[RawDawgBob]

Don Frye kills all.

 

[g*r*b]

Stipe is a great champion who's fought mostly great competition, and I agree he's under-rated in some ways, but over-rated in others.

In terms of his skills, I think he's pretty over-rated. He's a rangey striker with good wrestling, and that's it; basically, he's just an improved version of Tim Sylvia.

What Stipe doesn't get enough credit for is his mental game. He's excellent at always showing up to fights in shape and a good gameplan. He rarely makes mistakes in fights, at least critical ones, and he's proven to be able to fight through adversity. I think that's been the key to his success.

When we talk of skills, it's easy to assume "more tools = better fighter." But I think it's more efficient to be able to defend yourself in every skillset and bring it back to where you shine the most for your offense, than to try and be a Swiss Army knife of techniques. Stipe may not hunt for submissions much but by report is almost impossible to submit, and he certainly escaped Overeem's guillotine adroitly. He may not even be physically able to head kick with ease what with his sub-Aldo legspan, but he took all that del Rosario could dish out and ended up taking him down and elbowing his face off.

Also, you give a nod to Stipe's good gameplans, but neglect to mention that you have to be very skilled to be able to competently execute the variety of plans he's had to adopt for his varied opponents. He can adjust his boxing to many styles, for example in one fight being a pressure fighter and the next ducking, weaving and drawing out counters to counter them in return.

 

[Sure Dawg]

Your post is fully wrong :

1/ Some people are obsessed by this fight after 8 years.... Stipe improved everywhere and destroyed fighter who destroyed themselves Struve !
Question is : If Struve and Stipe fight today, what would be the result ?

2/ When Stipe fought JDS the first time, USADA wasn't present at ufc ( it was 6 month before )

3/ Stipe wasn't in his prime during this fight and result was close to a draw !
Fight between Prime JDS and prime Stipe ( 2017-today ) would be EPIC

Fully wrong? But... but, I wasn't trying to be right? I was just bringing up memories that we all have. Memories are good, healthy.
mmath is dangerous young padawan. be careful of the dark side or the force.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

He's rated perfectly fine. Stipe is the UFC HW GOAT and is somewhere in the top 5 at HW all time but not the HW GOAT.

 

[Hitman]

He's rated perfectly fine. Stipe is the UFC HW GOAT and is somewhere in the top 5 at HW all time but not the HW GOAT.

TOP 5 HW ???
Who you ranked above him except Fedor ?

 

[nebulousned]

he's great but this thread is some exaggerated nut hugging

big frank sleeps him in the rematch

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

TOP 5 HW ???
Who you ranked above him except Fedor ?

Big Nog, there is an argument for Werdum too but I have Stipe as 3rd.

 

[Portland8242]

Stipe is a great champion who's fought mostly great competition, and I agree he's under-rated in some ways, but over-rated in others.

In terms of his skills, I think he's pretty over-rated. He's a rangey striker with good wrestling, and that's it; basically, he's just an improved version of Tim Sylvia.

What Stipe doesn't get enough credit for is his mental game. He's excellent at always showing up to fights in shape and a good gameplan. He rarely makes mistakes in fights, at least critical ones, and he's proven to be able to fight through adversity. I think that's been the key to his success.

Agreed, he's pretty meat and potatoes with his style. The one thing he's got over other HW's though is his technique with his boxing. Since he trained boxing even before he fought MMA, he's actually learned a decent concept of footwork and stringing combinations together. You rarely see these things at HW as most fighters there haven't been boxing near long enough to implement any of that during a fight.