Stipe has 3 record at HW and still underrated

[Melas Chasma]

War very close to draw with Prime JDS : Stipe wasn't at his prime, if current version of Stipe he would win this fight

Stop with the nonsense. Post Cain JDS was not prime JDS, everyone who was around that time knows that. And Arlovski was at his best around 2008 when he beat Werdum and KO'd Nelson and Rothwell in a row, not almost a decade later.

 

[Herwald]

Fedor had quicker pace, more aggression, wild striking and subs. He would not always fight to his strengths either.

But his nuthuggers confuse that with skill.

I'm not a Fedor hater, but as far as that goes - Stipe would also look more explosive in PRIDE with no USADA.

 

[Drugstore Cowboy]

Fedor fans praying for Stipe to lose against Prime Ngannou/HW Jones lol

 

[mjfan23]

Fedor is a bum close to Stipe. The man lost to MALDONADO LOL. Embarrassing.

Funny that shows up as win on Fedors record and speaking of wins, Stipe has how many exactly in his entire career? Lol

 

[Johnnny]

His 25-minute absolute domination of Ngannou is one of the most impressive feats in MMA history.

Ngannou left that fight so shell-shocked that it continued to affect him in his next fight against Lewis. Stipe gave Ngannou 2 losses.

Ngannou had been destroying everyone, including Overeem and Blaydes. Since then, he has been making quick work of everyone again. So it is incredibly impressive what Stipe was able to do to him.

 

[DS7]

I don’t think Arlovski is a bad win by any means, but I do take issue with him being called “near to prime.” I agree that Arlovski made some great adjustments while at Jackson’s, and put together a nice run. But let’s keep it in context: Schaub was one fight away from retirement; Bigfoot wasn’t totally washed, but had already started the losing streak that basically persisted until the end of his career; Travis Browne had a lot of potential but never really accomplished much, and he nearly stopped Arlovski in a crazy, sloppy (and super fun) fight. Mir was an ok name in 2015, but had lost 4 of his last 6 before the Arlovski fight. His 2 wins were the aforementioned so-so Bigfoot, and Todd Duffee.

So if I list Stipe’s notable wins, I definitely include Arlovski. But I try to keep it in context.

Fair enough but no one gave a that much of a shot for Andrei to beat Travis, he was considered a beast at the time. He had already moved to Edmond's camp but he was still 17-4 with his only loss in recent years been to Werdum in a N1 contender fight. It was a massive win at the time for Andrei. His run speaks more about the state of the HW division than anything, it wasn't really that special but he had a nice run and my point was that he was in a N1 contender fight with Miocic so he was still a very decent HW and good win, especially the way Stipe just made quick work of him.

Overeem wasn't in his prime either but had one of the best runs of his career until the Stipe fight and almost beat him actually. The only guy that Miocic fought that i could see the argue for being really past his best days was JDS. The rest are all great wins.

 

[Fight Professor]

I'm not a Fedor hater, but as far as that goes - Stipe would also look more explosive in PRIDE with no USADA.

Quite possibly. But nobody is thinking about that when comparing their actual styles and fights.

 

[TR1]

He also has the record for the most ancient competition of washed up broken old men of any champ ever.

Funny that people think squeaking by 40 year old, bad back DC is impressive or solidified this grave robber's legacy.

 

[humdizzle]

well he's lost 3 times and got KO'd by the 2nd best LHW in 1 round.

imagine if colby went up and dominated adesanya

 

[TR1]

Just because Arlovski wasn't in his prime doesn't mean he was washed. People in this board sometimes seem to only have been watching MMA for like 2 years or something. Arlovski when he returned to the UFC had a great run, stopped Travis Browne and Bigfoot and was on a 5 or 6 fight win streak and his fight with Miocic was a N1 contender fight. It was the last time Arlovski was actually elite in the HW division, after that he was done but if it wasn't for Stipe Arlovski was super close to have fought for the title so far from being washed up or a bad win for Miocic.

No amount of mental gymnastics will make the AA that fought Stipe anything but a washed up husk compared to the one who was UFC champ, before he left the UFC and got exposed by better competition.
Dropping 4 in a row, including 3 brutal KO losses= never is good for a fighter.

I mean, did you actually watch AA's "streak" after he lost 4 in a row? He stopped fighting, and went out doing pitter patter sparring. He looked like shit vs TRAVIS FULTON untill a last second head kick.
His UFC streak only shows how pathetic the HW division has been this decade, not that he was still an elite (ROFL) or top (also ROFL) guy.

He arguably lost the Schaub fight, and Schaub isn't good.
He and Mir had a staring contest. Not even a fight.
He beat post-roids BF, who got knocked out by anyone who looked at him.
Only "legit" win was Brown. So.....1 decent win.

Also, the AA who fought in the UFC for a second stint literally lost use of his left arm. That is called injuries and wear and tear.

 

[Hitman]

8 years ago !
Struve had 3 x more experience than Stipe, even if he is 7 years younger !
Stipe improved everywhere since this fight and Struve declined !
Stipe destroyed fighters who destroyed Struve ( Roy Nelson, Reem, Arlovski )

Today Stipe vs Struve would be dramatical for Struve ( KO in less than 1 minute )

It is the reason age isn't something exact for performance ! Some people can decline at 23 years and other will improved until 40 years old befor declined !

 

[BFoe]

Fedor fans praying for Stipe to lose against Prime Ngannou/HW Jones lol

Not at all. Firstly, I fully expect someone to surpass Fedor as HW GOAT someday. That’s just the nature of sports. But it won’t be Stipe.
Because Fedor fought some cans, I don’t expect someone to have a 31 fight undefeated streak like him. I *do* expect someone to have an undefeated streak in which they beat more ranked opponents, have more victories in title fights, have more title defenses, and beat more former/future UFC champs than him.

Stipe didn’t do that, and nothing that happens against Ngannou or Jones will change that. Stipe is not the HW GOAT, and he’ll never be.

 

[Deleted member 510653]

He also has the record for the most ancient competition of washed up broken old men of any champ ever.

Funny that people think squeaking by 40 year old, bad back DC is impressive or solidified this grave robber's legacy.

Really? You sound like a salty hater that tries to forget all those guys were on big win streaks at the time he beat them except for Junior Dos Santos who had a win over him in which Stipe ended up avenging the loss..

And that 40 year old DC is a top 5 of all time so stop being a baby and recognize.

 

[TR1]

Really? You sound like a salty hater that tries to forget all those guys were on big win streaks at the time he beat them except for Junior Dos Santos who had a win over him that Stipe ended up avenging..

And that 40 year old DC is a top 5 of all time so stop being a baby and recognize.

Based on what? His epic HW resume of "Black beast" at that time?

When was the last time he had a good HW win?
Shit what was the last time he HAD a good win before he destroyed overrated Stipe?
Volkan? Losing to roider Jones? You have to go back as far as AJ.

And yeah, DC is a great fighter, but a 40 year old version of him with a bad back is not it.
Guy was already actively talking about retirement, and literally aged before our eyes.

 

[daltonames]

The Arlovski Bigfoot win was after Bigfoot's war with Hunt, Bigfoot never recovered from that fight. He's 1 - 7 since fight Hunt, and was KO'd 6 of those 7 losses. So in context, it's not that great a win. his chin was completely gone after Hunt.

 

[Hitman]

well he's lost 3 times and got KO'd by the 2nd best LHW in 1 round.

imagine if colby went up and dominated adesanya

No comparaison !

He lost against :

Struve => Today Stipe would destroyed Struve in few seconds and you know it

Prime JDS => Fight was near to draw ( and it wasn't prime stipe ), even if the fight finish with Stipe victory it is not a robbery, He avenge his loss 2 years later. Fight Between Prime Stipe and Prime JDS would be one of the epic fight of all time

Prime HW DC => KO the first fight, he avenge his loss and win the trilogy

He proved he is the best UFC HW of all time ! Ends of discussion

 

[Askren’s chin]

- 3 title defense streak

- Won 6 title fight

- 1285 days UFC HW champion ( In progress )

- 15 trimester ranked Number 1 of the world at HW ( 2nd best behind Fedor and in progress )

He beats the best at or near their prime :

- Werdum : UFC Champion, 2 x ADCC Champion, 10 wins streak ( victory on Fedor, Cain when they were undipsuted, and near Ubereem ( lost controversy ) )

- Reem : He was at his technical and tactical prime, and maybe confidence prime ! Phyicaly, he was faster and more agility abd cardio than Ubereem, even if less stronger or explosiveness....

- JDS : OK he wasn't at his prime with USADA, but still dangerous and kick very well !

- Ngannou : Green but he destroyed him every second ! Media told Ngannou will be the GOAT and Stipe toys with him

- DC : Best trilogy and rivality af all time ! Technicaly DC was at prime, and physically, he was stronger, more durable and chin and heavier ( 247 lbs ) with more punch and hands speed than ever !
Maybe he lost speed, explosiveness and angility
For his cardio, at 247 lbs he was very good, it is diffucut to say if his cardio was at prime or not !


In 2021, if he beats prime Ngannou and HW Jones, i think he could be in the discussion for surpassed Fedor like the GOAT

the notion he fought a peak dc (39 if I remember correctly in the first fight) or a peak reem (non uberreem and concussed by a breeze) is laughable. Stipe is one of the best HW’s in history with a long list of great names but let’s call a spade a spade, he fought a lot of guys who weren’t exactly young (except Frank) however he fought who was in front of him so it’s not his fault, he hasn’t ducked anyone. He gets underrated a lot which is undeserved but we gotta be real about his opponents to make a fair assessment of him.

 

[ookii]

The Arlovski Bigfoot win was after Bigfoot's war with Hunt, Bigfoot never recovered from that fight. He's 1 - 7 since fight Hunt, and was KO'd 6 of those 7 losses. So in context, it's not that great a win. his chin was completely gone after Hunt.

yeah and also that was after being off from TRT post Hunt

 

[Deleted member 567183]

- 3 title defense streak

- Won 6 title fight

- 1285 days UFC HW champion ( In progress )

- 15 trimester ranked Number 1 of the world at HW ( 2nd best behind Fedor and in progress )

He beats the best at or near their prime :

- Werdum : UFC Champion, 2 x ADCC Champion, 10 wins streak ( victory on Fedor, Cain when they were undipsuted, and near Ubereem ( lost controversy ) )

- Reem : He was at his technical and tactical prime, and maybe confidence prime ! Phyicaly, he was faster and more agility abd cardio than Ubereem, even if less stronger or explosiveness....

- JDS : OK he wasn't at his prime with USADA, but still dangerous and kick very well !

- Ngannou : Green but he destroyed him every second ! Media told Ngannou will be the GOAT and Stipe toys with him

- DC : Best trilogy and rivality af all time ! Technicaly DC was at prime, and physically, he was stronger, more durable and chin and heavier ( 247 lbs ) with more punch and hands speed than ever !
Maybe he lost speed, explosiveness and angility
For his cardio, at 247 lbs he was very good, it is diffucut to say if his cardio was at prime or not !


In 2021, if he beats prime Ngannou and HW Jones, i think he could be in the discussion for surpassed Fedor like the GOAT

Stipe will be the GOAT of the GOAT if he beats Ngannou but he already outclassed him in the 1st fight but what is interesting is that if Stipe beat Jones that will change Stipe life for GOOD

 

[cburm]

3 win defences i thought thats ben done before at hw doesnt he need 4 to beat it