Someone else would have gotten ridiculous praise for this - Nobody has done this to Usman

[emefer]

Nobody can do this to Usman I don't care who it is in the MW or WW not like this. If Usman couldn't stop Chimaev's A game I don't see anyone who can. I think he beats the current top 5 including Strickland I just don't think they have that high level pedgree of grappling to counter it

Usman took it short notice and moved up in weight and borz couldn’t do anything with his control in the first but tire himself out.

 

[Yep]

It means he"s really good at defending takedowns. Sure it was at a different weightclass, but that doesn't suddenly mean everything is completely different. His strengths are still his strengths and there is still a lot of carry-over.

Yes, Leon took him down, that's why his success rate went from 100% to 97 %.

And Usman is a big WW and Khamzat is just coming from WW too. The size difference was there but I don't think it was that big.

Both the successful takedowns and the control were very impressive. You can't say the takedowns weren't impressive because other takedowns failed.It's like saying someon's KO or even just a hard leg kick or body kick or whatever well executed powerfull technique isn't impressive because the fighter missed a couple of strikes earlier, or later, in the fight.

His grappling offense was impressive but the control was much more impressive to me considering it was Usman. My point is Usman is definitely on the decline and fighting a larger opponent in a different weight class. If you choose to value his takedown defense in a lower weight class and one where he was taken Down as of recently then that’s fine. I’m not. That Usman is different. And to suggest Khamzat was coming up I won’t entertain either considering his weight. Dude is much bigger than Usman and it showed in the cage. Admittedly it didn’t seem that way at the weigh in but it was pretty evident in the cage.

Let’s pretend this fight didn’t happen and Usman just moved up and fought some grapplers. You think he’s still 97% or you think that gets chipped away at fight by fight?

 

[spinitch]

Leon finished beat Usman twice more convincingly. Yes Khamzat looked good in grappling. By the UFC logic Leon should be next in contention at MW. Leon has 2x Usman including a finish. Style wise Khamzat would be interesting to see vs Strickland. Even more so Bo. Khamzat is pretty solid.

 

[wisdom blows]

Because he has been defeating blown up/short notice Welterweights? Since when is that a metric to determine a fighter's success in a heavier division? Adesanya was dominating Middleweight then got dominated himself by Jan.

strickland and Whittaker got their asses kicked at WW and became champ at MW. It’s commonly know that smaller fighters are usually more skilled.

 

[cburm]

Chimaev is a monster grappler. His cardio is suspect and his striking defense is poor.

but yeah, no one can question the man’s grappling. When fresh, he’s probably the best MMA grappler on planet Earth.

Also, he stayed in there and eked out 2 rounds with a broken wrist. So he also has heart and toughness.

I think usmens striking is highly underated

 

[Doctor Grudge]

I mean Usman is out of his prime, took the fight on short notice, and had to fight in a higher weight class. It's not true at all that anyone else would have gotten insane praise. Two years ago, sure.

Usman was a huge underdog coming into the fight. For good reason.


Khazmat getting pieced up on the feet wasn't a great look. He's going to fight guys with bigger reach and more power at MW. He struggled against Burns in boxing situations as well.

 

[Iroh]

His grappling offense was impressive but the control was much more impressive to me considering it was Usman. My point is Usman is definitely on the decline and fighting a larger opponent in a different weight class. If you choose to value his takedown defense in a lower weight class and one where he was taken Down as of recently then that’s fine. I’m not. That Usman is different. And to suggest Khamzat was coming up I won’t entertain either considering his weight. Dude is much bigger than Usman and it showed in the cage. Admittedly it didn’t seem that way at the weigh in but it was pretty evident in the cage.

Let’s pretend this fight didn’t happen and Usman just moved up and fought some grapplers. You think he’s still 97% or you think that gets chipped away at fight by fight?

He was taken down once... recently. That was part of the 97%. The decline you are speaking of is already included in that number. So it's not really a counter-argument for people using that number, you know the thing you made problem of

Of course I value what he has done at WW, otherwise I couldn't say anything about his fighting capabilities. But that doesn't mean that I see it as a continuation of the same challenges. Obviously MWs will bring an advantage over WWs when it comes to size and strength, generally.

Bruh, he really didn't look that much bigger. He's taller, but Usman is clearly more jacked and wider and they both don't have big legs.

That really depends on the grapplers he'd face.and maybe it would take a toll on his TDD% but would it be as bad or worse than what Khamzat did?

 

[Paladin]

Chimaev is a monster grappler. His cardio is suspect and his striking defense is poor.

but yeah, no one can question the man’s grappling. When fresh, he’s probably the best MMA grappler on planet Earth.

Also, he stayed in there and eked out 2 rounds with a broken wrist. So he also has heart and toughness.

He broke a wrist how?? Dang I guess we will see him back in December 2025 after another long long hiatus

 

[octagonation]

He broke a wrist how?? Dang I guess we will see him back in December 2025 after another long long hiatus

That is in correct he it was a knock or bruise

 

[CptHowdy187]

Khamzat is undefeated and the best GIF people have is Burns sort of dropping him but he was also sort of off balance. The hate and bar are insane.

Stop fucking hyping him up as a killer who steamrolls everyone then and maybe people's expecations of him will be more reasonable.

Even without a massive weight cut, he's still got Conor level cardio. Yes it's impressive to handle Usman like that, but he could only do it for 1 round. If this was a 5 round fight then he would've been in a lot of trouble. He didn't have the strength or energy to hold Usman down in the 3rd round for more than a minute.

With great hype comes great expecations. Stop calling him a killer and we'll stop expecting him to you know.... kill people rather than ragdoll them for one round before he gets tired.

 

[Yep]

He was taken down once... recently. That was part of the 97%. The decline you are speaking of is already included in that number. So it's not really a counter-argument for people using that number, you know the thing you made problem of

Of course I value what he has done at WW, otherwise I couldn't say anything about his fighting capabilities. But that doesn't mean that I see it as a continuation of the same challenges. Obviously MWs will bring an advantage over WWs when it comes to size and strength, generally.

Bruh, he really didn't look that much bigger. He's taller, but Usman is clearly more jacked and wider and they both don't have big legs.

That really depends on the grapplers he'd face.and maybe it would take a toll on his TDD% but would it be as bad or worse than what Khamzat did?

I don’t know what else to say. Your opinion is that you value his TDD% in a different weight class more than I do. I don’t care what he did in a different weight class as far as his overall number. His recent fights have a takedown. Had his first fight had a td it would weighted much different to me. He’s going to have trouble in my opinion with any top grappler if he continues to fight at this weight. As much trouble as Khamzat? Doubtful. Then again I wouldn’t be certain about any of it. Maybe a full camp Usman has a better chance. And as far as your pic which is a horrible way to decide who’s bigger, I still think Khamzat is wider. So again, this is fun and all but we have differing opinions on if his previous numbers in his previous fights hold that much bearing on his current abilities. You hold them to a high regard which makes it that much more impressive to you I guess. I said either way that it was impressive considering it was Usman but I tend to believe he’s on a decline as well as his TDD% being a part of that. Never said Usman was a bum. Never said he’s still not good. Never said anything other than it’s not the same Usman to me. And I do t think it is. Still impressive to control him a whole round tho. Not sure anybody else does that but time will tell and another grappler at that weight will tell us how impressive it was.

 

[AstralPanda]

Khamzat is an elite fighter. You can't say that a guy who beat Gilbert and Kamaru isn't.

However, he's not invincible. Exciting, but not invincible. If he fights Strickland and doesn't have him out of there within 2, he could be in trouble.

Khazmat is a ball of potential more than anything. He hasn't even really touched it yet.

If he's competing like this against usman now, he's gonna be scary.

 

[AstralPanda]

Stop fucking hyping him up as a killer who steamrolls everyone then and maybe people's expecations of him will be more reasonable.

Even without a massive weight cut, he's still got Conor level cardio. Yes it's impressive to handle Usman like that, but he could only do it for 1 round. If this was a 5 round fight then he would've been in a lot of trouble. He didn't have the strength or energy to hold Usman down in the 3rd round for more than a minute.

With great hype comes great expecations. Stop calling him a killer and we'll stop expecting him to you know.... kill people rather than ragdoll them for one round before he gets tired.

Anyone who can compete at this level after being in the ufc for a few years is elite.

He hasn't hit his potential yet either.

In regards to cardio, getting a last minute opponent switch can be pretty big. Especially to a grinder like Usman. I think that needs to be taken into account.

 

[richardjohnson]

Khamzat is undefeated and the best GIF people have is Burns sort of dropping him but he was also sort of off balance. The hate and bar are insane.

I’ve said this more than a few times now but Khamzat has set the bar so high with some of his performances that some fans expect him to run through every one of his opponents, and if he doesn’t they act like it wasn’t impressive. Khamzat just became only the second person to beat Usman in the UFC. That is impressive anyway you slice it.

 

[Iroh]

I don’t know what else to say. Your opinion is that you value his TDD% in a different weight class more than I do.

Yes, I value it and you don't, that's indeed clearly me valuing it more. I wouldn't say I value it too much though, because I do understand the context of the number.

I don’t care what he did in a different weight class as far as his overall number. His recent fights have a takedown. Had his first fight had a td it would weighted much different to me. He’s going to have trouble in my opinion with any top grappler if he continues to fight at this weight. As much trouble as Khamzat? Doubtful. Then again I wouldn’t be certain about any of it. Maybe a full camp Usman has a better chance. And as far as your pic which is a horrible way to decide who’s bigger, I still think Khamzat is wider.

I took a pretty neutral pic. If you have a better way, feel free to post.

If you think Khamzat is wider, I think you need your eyes checked. No offense.

So again, this is fun and all but we have differing opinions on if his previous numbers in his previous fights hold that much bearing on his current abilities. You hold them to a high regard

Nope, I just hold them in regard and you don't.

which makes it that much more impressive to you I guess. I said either way that it was impressive considering it was Usman but I tend to believe he’s on a decline as well as his TDD% being a part of that. Never said Usman was a bum. Never said he’s still not good. Never said anything other than it’s not the same Usman to me. And I do t think it is. Still impressive to control him a whole round tho. Not sure anybody else does that but time will tell and another grappler at that weight will tell us how impressive it was.

I just think you made a bigger deal out of people using that number than was reasonable. Never thought you were saying Usman is a bum or anything like that.

 

[josh345]

You make so many assumptions. Nobody can do this to Usman? So many people acting as if this is prime Usman. Not to mention when has Usman been the smaller guy? Let me know Usman’s grappling stats the last 3 fights. His control in the first round was impressive. His damage and his sub attempt were not. And Usman also got up later on when taken down. Again, his control in the first was impressive. Would be impressive vs anyone. But boy he better figure out how to defend some striking.

I think he was getting tagged more because he was tired. Cardio is a serious issue he needs to fix going forward. Or pace himself better.

 

[AstralPanda]

Usman was ranked p4p number 1 in September of 2022

Seriously..

People are acting like Usman is a bum now after a single loss.

And that Khazmat is a hype job because he didn't destroy him

MMA has some of the most immature, fickle, Fairweather fans out of any sport.

 

[Yep]

Yes, I value it and you don't, that's indeed clearly me valuing it more. I wouldn't say I value it too much though, because I do understand the context of the number.



I took a pretty neutral pic. If you have a better way, feel free to post.

If you think Khamzat is wider, I think you need your eyes checked. No offense.



Nope, I just hold them in regard and you don't.



I just think you made a bigger deal out of people using that number than was reasonable. Never thought you were saying Usman is a bum or anything like that.

Appreciate the back and forth. But I’m trying to type this stuff out while I’m playing video games and I already suck at video games and this isn’t helping. I think we both agree that we look forward to their next fights either way.

 

[IncreaseDanaPay]

Usman is over the hill at this point, with two shot knees. He is also smaller and was coming in on short notice. The fact that khamzat didn't finish him, and then proceeded to get pieced up a bit in the third, tells me the jury is still out on him. Don't get me wrong, he's clearly talented, but I'm not sure he's got what it takes to be a dominant champ. He could probably beat strickland though, tbh.

Usman would literally still be champ right now if a lucky head kick didn’t land in the final minute. He was beating Leon with ease. The short notice excuse is bullshit, Usman was in shape and preparing for a fight in December. Why are people even acting like that fight was close? Usman was humiliated on the ground and landed a few decent jabs the entire fight, he never pieced up anyone.

the knees excuse has been the same for 5 years and he’s not even smaller than khamzat, both walk around at 205lbs

 

[IncreaseDanaPay]

How many times has Usman fought on 2 weeks notice?

Diaz beat Conor on 2 weeks notice, Bisping beat Rockhold etc. Usman was preparing for a fight in December. Nothing at all showed me that even with a full camp Usman could deal with the wrestling. He was ragdolled