So we can finally dissolve the false narrative that Jones ducked Ngannou right?

[AstralPanda]

Neither one of them wanted it. Jon doesn't take any chances that could risk spoiling his record, and Francis is just in it for the money and his coach already said he didn't want it because he didn't want to lose and not get champion pay anymore.

Read my last post.

 

[C0NCH3TO]

lmao it’s more undeniable than ever after he ducked Tom.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Yea, its a "coincidence" that Jones avoided HW to fight bums like Anthony Smith for years while Ng was around...

 

[13Seconds]

So this is a quote from Francis Ngannou



Straight from the horses mouth, Ngannou says in black and white that we both know we both wanted this fight for sure.

Francis has ZERO incentive to give Jones credit. Would have been much better for francis to run with the "Jones ducked me narrative" which some people have already subscribed to.


So I think this about settles it. Francis says they both wanted the fight, the UFC failing to satisfy Francis requests is why the fight fell through.

Or is jones derangement still so strong that he's still a duck and we're going to ignore what both Francis and Jones say?

The whole ordeal about Francis/Jones is that Jones was basically set to fight the winner of Stipe/Ngannou. Ngannou won, then Dana shut the whole thing down saying "Jones should probably look at 185". He downplayed Jones bad. So it never happened. Francis left and Bony took his place.

Without any proof im 99% certain Dana or the ones in charge fucked that up. Unfair to shit on Jones for it. For all i know, once Francis left they were desperate enough to meet Bony's commands.

UFC simply sucks at giving the people what they truly want. May be an arrogance thing, I don't know.

There is however no excuse for what Bony is trying to do with the Aspinall matchup. That's another topic though.

 

[AstralPanda]

The whole ordeal about Francis/Jones is that Jones was basically set to fight the winner of Stipe/Ngannou. Ngannou won, then Dana shut the whole thing down saying "Jones should probably look at 185". He downplayed Jones bad. So it never happened. Francis left and Bony took his place.

Without any proof im 99% certain Dana or the ones in charge fucked that up. Unfair to shit on Jones for it. For all i know, once Francis left they were desperate enough to meet Bony's commands.

UFC simply sucks at giving the people what they truly want. May be an arrogance thing, I don't know.

There is however no excuse for what Bony is trying to do with the Aspinall matchup. That's another topic though.

If you look at Jon's Twitter throughout all of 2022, his money issues were all but gone.

He was training to fight Stipe In 2022 of that year, with the main hold up being Stipe not being paid enough(via Ariel Helwani Twitter)

Then made it clear he would be fighting for the title next.

If Jones had any money issues, he would be the first one to tell us.

Same is true for Dana. If there was any issues with Jon's contract or negotiation at that point, he would be the first to say it, just like he did up until the literal day Ngannou left.

Which means they'd already worked it out.

They didn't book the Gane fight until January. Do we really think Jones took that on 2 months notice? He was already training for a while, already linked to the march card when the Stipe bout fell out.

The only reason it got announced in January is because they gave ngannou every possible moment to sign. He didn't, so they made the Gane fight.

Point is that this idea of Jones only coming back after Ngannou left narrative, is just willfull ignorance.

 

[RedDevilFan]

So Jones signed the very same day Ngannou got cut?

I have no idea about that, Schaefer and Dana do not say the date when jones actually signed his new contract outside of Dana mentioning it at UFC vegas 67 (Jan 14).

During that presser White spoke about the failed contract negotiation between the UFC and Ngannou, while also mentioning a new deal they had signed with Jones. So Dana gives some clearance that jjones did sign it before the deadline.

 

[RockyLockridge]

I'll most likely make another thread and post the entire timeline with references at some point.

I honestly thought about doing that but these people have their torches and pitchforks out. I dont even get it.

I'm not even supporting Jones here. I'm not saying francis ducked or jones ducked just that no one ducked, but that's glazing jones some how?


I honestly do not get it. Why can't anyone have a neutral opinion on this?

 

[rjmbrd]

you should get double yellows for posting dana white as a source of anything credible.

the word "refuse" isn't even in that article. so it's definitely not in there verbatim.

That qoute you just posted, Also doesn't suggest refusal of anything. all it really says is dana thinks "If he doesn't want to fight for the amount I'm offering, He really doesn't want to fight"

it's the same "He doesn't wanna fight" shit you'd never let dana get away with, but with jones It's for real and dana white is right. Honestly makes me sick you'd post this as a key point in your argument.


you shold know the game by now. Look past the hate for jon jones and see that it's true. Dana does this "He doesn't want to fight" shit to anyone who wont take the pittance he offers.

The price was wrong to fight Ngannou, but it was right to fight Gane and a retired 42 year old Stipe?

I honestly can't tell if you are stupid or this is just something you do on the internet.

All parties have publicly stated Jon did not want the fight. Jon himself didn't fight for THREE YEARS, until Ngannou left the org. The fact that he retired until Ngannou left, and the promoter and other party both say the fight was held up by Jones... what else is there to say?

You are a dogshit poster and this is a dogshit thread. Everyone knows it. Enjoy the bump, you need it.

 

[Domitian]

I honestly thought about doing that but these people have their torches and pitchforks out. I dont even get it.

I'm not even supporting Jones here. I'm not saying francis ducked or jones ducked just that no one ducked, but that's glazing jones some how?


I honestly do not get it. Why can't anyone have a neutral opinion on this?

Jones derangement syndrome. Some people are just broken. It's even funnier how people will disregard Jon and Francis words, but take Dana White's word as gospel.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Precisely. Ducking by pricing yourself out.

Big Frank being a nice guy in an interview question proves nothing.

You're saying he's "being a nice guy" Why would he?

It benefits him to say jones ran from him giving his current situation.

 

[RockyLockridge]

The price was wrong to fight Ngannou, but it was right to fight Gane and a retired 42 year old Stipe?

I honestly can't tell if you are stupid or this is just something you do on the internet.

All parties have publicly stated Jon did not want the fight. Jon himself didn't fight for THREE YEARS, until Ngannou left the org. The fact that he retired until Ngannou left, and the promoter and other party both say the fight was held up by Jones... what else is there to say?

You are a dogshit poster and this is a dogshit thread. Everyone knows it. Enjoy the bump, you need it.

lol you keep telling yourself that.

I'm not even siding with Jones. you're just sick.

I can disparage Jones for a Dozen things. I dont need to make up a narrative about him ducking francis.

Jones derangement syndrome. Some people are just broken. It's even funnier how people will disregard Jon and Francis words, but take Dana White's word as gospel.

Yeah tell me about it, It's a bizzare almost orwellian behavior where people will live any lie as long as it's pleasant enough

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Stylistically Jones would beat Ngannou. Not sure why anyone would thought other wise.

He would more than likely take him down like Stipe(more accomplished wrestler)/Gane and maul him.

Still would be interested to watch though.

Frank would have snapped his neck, cracked his jaw, and left him convulsing on the floor.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

How do you explain the 3 year period Jon could have moved up, talked about moving up, but didn't.

 

[AstralPanda]

I honestly thought about doing that but these people have their torches and pitchforks out. I dont even get it.

I'm not even supporting Jones here. I'm not saying francis ducked or jones ducked just that no one ducked, but that's glazing jones some how?


I honestly do not get it. Why can't anyone have a neutral opinion on this?

Hate is very powerful.

When you dislike someone on a personal level because of how they've been villainized due to their actions

It becomes a lot easier to create a narrative that makes them look as bad as possible. Then you add group think/ mob mentality in the equation and because there's so many people validating the idea, they don't feel the necessary cognitive dissonance required to question things.

Basically, people aren't interested in doing research or being objective, but just continuing to seek out validation for the narrative they've constructed in their head about Jones being all these things. A villain, a scumbag, a duck.

A lot of these communities function like hive minds at times. Very few people will step outside common public perception and create their own ideas with actual research and their own thinking.

It's just piggy backed ideas off other people who tell them what to think and believe.

For people to question their ideas and acknowledge something might be wrong requires them to unravel their entire process of thinking and viewing the world. It's very uncomfortable and destabilizing, so it's easier just to continue doubling down.

In a lot of ways, it's like trying to tear through the walls of a vegan or another cult like community. The psychology is very similar, that's why it's so difficult to get through.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Hate is very powerful.

When you dislike someone on a personal level because of how they've been villainized due to their actions

It becomes a lot easier to create a narrative that makes them look as bad as possible. Then you add group think/ mob mentality in the equation and because there's so many people validating the idea, they don't feel the necessary cognitive dissonance required to question things.

it actually scares the fuck out me. scariest thing about society.

 

[AstralPanda]

How do you explain the 3 year period Jon could have moved up, talked about moving up, but didn't.

Simple answer. Money. Negotiations.

Jones entire reason for going to HW has always been big fights, big names, big paydays.

Just like getting the highest possible financial reward is the goal right now.

If you go back into the media archives, Jones is the one who first called Ngannou out for a mega fight at HW.

This was before Ngannou even beat Stipe and became the champ.

It just came down to the UFC paying him.

Problem is, this happened right in the middle of the pandemic with no crowds. The UFC wasn't paying anyone at that time.

That only changed in 2022 when they seemed to have come to an agreement behind the scenes. There wasn't any talk about money issues after that from either side.

at that point, it really just came down to ngannou being injured and in the middle of negotiations himself.

By the time both sides could align was for the march 2023 card. Ngnanou didn't sign any the rest is history.

Ultimately, it just comes down to business. No different than Ngannou leaving to box being the best business decision for him.

Everyone is out looking for more money.

 

[AstralPanda]

The price was wrong to fight Ngannou, but it was right to fight Gane and a retired 42 year old Stipe?

I honestly can't tell if you are stupid or this is just something you do on the internet.

All parties have publicly stated Jon did not want the fight. Jon himself didn't fight for THREE YEARS, until Ngannou left the org. The fact that he retired until Ngannou left, and the promoter and other party both say the fight was held up by Jones... what else is there to say?

You are a dogshit poster and this is a dogshit thread. Everyone knows it. Enjoy the bump, you need it.

If
you look at Jon's Twitter throughout all of 2022, his money issues were all but gone.

He was training to fight Stipe In 2022 of that year, with the main hold up being Stipe not being paid enough(via Ariel Helwani Twitter)

Then made it clear he would be fighting for the title next.

If Jones had any money issues, he would be the first one to tell us.

Same is true for Dana. If there was any issues with Jon's contract or negotiation at that point, he would be the first to say it, just like he did up until the literal day Ngannou left.

Which means they'd already worked it out.

They didn't book the Gane fight until January. Do we really think Jones took that on 2 months notice? He was already training for a while, already linked to the march card when the Stipe bout fell out.

The only reason it got announced in January is because they gave ngannou every possible moment to sign. He didn't, so they made the Gane fight.

Point is that this idea of Jones only coming back after Ngannou left narrative, is just willfull ignorance.

 

[AstralPanda]

The price was wrong to fight Ngannou, but it was right to fight Gane and a retired 42 year old Stipe?

I honestly can't tell if you are stupid or this is just something you do on the internet.

All parties have publicly stated Jon did not want the fight. Jon himself didn't fight for THREE YEARS, until Ngannou left the org. The fact that he retired until Ngannou left, and the promoter and other party both say the fight was held up by Jones... what else is there to say?

You are a dogshit poster and this is a dogshit thread. Everyone knows it. Enjoy the bump, you need it.

Stop referencing 2021 sources.

And actually research the entire timeline that I provided in this thread

Otherwise shut the fuck up bro

Just talking shit about something you can't even bother to research properly

 

[PaulieVegas27]

Sorry but....no. Jones sat out for years waiting for Francis to be out of the picture to fight again. Just like he is ducking Aspinall, he ducked Francis. Who I believe would have knocked him the F out and Jon knew it.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Stop referencing 2021 sources.

And actually research the entire timeline that I provided in this thread

Otherwise shut the fuck up bro

Just talking shit about something you can't even bother to research properly

there's no need for him to research anything it's pretty damn obvious jones would want that fight. It's as big as a fight can get. He just doesn't want to face reality because there are enough people to share in his delusion. Both guys wanted the fight, but only Jones could come to terms with the UFC. Which Dana has stated several times (once even in court!) that jones has been increasing hard to work and they don't exactly get along. Because for the last 10 or so years jones as been fishing for the biggest fights he can get.