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Should we assume Canelo beats whoever he is scheduled to fight.

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  1. Yacob

    Yacob WBC Interim Junior Welterweight White Truffle Belt

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    That's a total non sequitur
     
  2. revoltub

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    No it isnt.
     
  3. JayE

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    Does anyone rate the Rigo win particularly high? I don't recall most people giving Spence much credit for dominating Garcia, and Garcia was the #1 rated fighter the weight below Spence, not a near 40 year old guy coming up two weight classes who didn't have a top win since 2013. Edging Golovkin on the cards (and his win in fight #2 is completely legitimate) is far more impressive than any win on Lomachenko's resume.
     
  4. Yacob

    Yacob WBC Interim Junior Welterweight White Truffle Belt

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    The more this goes on, the less it appears you know much of anything
     
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  5. revoltub

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    Please. People only discredited that win after it happened.
     
  6. revoltub

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    Once again, you cant back up what you say
     
  7. JayE

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    Uh, did you read much in the leadup? With the exception of ESPN hyping it as something incredible, there were tons of people who were very skeptical of it being competitive. Do you think it's much more impressive than Spence/Garcia?
     
  8. revoltub

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    Yes rigo is better than Garcia

    And LOL lead up. You need boxing forums and ESPN to think for you?
     
  9. JayE

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    Is a 37 year old Rigo who hadn't fought a top fighter in nearly 5 years and was moving up two weight classes better than a prime Garcia who was moving up one class from where he was rated #1? Maybe he was, but if he was, there really isn't much difference and I'll say again, Spence gets almost no credit for that win (which, aside from the fact that he showed some good skills, isn't really wrong in my view).

    You're barely giving Canelo credit for being the one moving up two weight classes against a 36 year old fighter, yet when Lomachenko brings a guy up two weight classes it's a great win?
     
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    Yes he is. Hes a young 37, undefeated except for loma.

    And I do give Spence credit. Dont put words in my mouth.
     
  11. revoltub

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    @JayE I didn't answer your point about kovalev vs rigo as wins.

    My answer is that 36 year old kovalev had been koed twice before canelo fought him. Rigo wasnt.
     
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    eh, I honestly believe I could do this with practically any fighters resume and make them sound like a complete can.
     
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    <puh-lease75>

    OK, you had me going here for a while until you posted this.
     
  14. revoltub

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    Yeah but instead you troll over canelo
     
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    See my previous response to jay
     
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    The concept of the benefit of the doubt, in terms of judging in combat sports cannot be understated. it’s really a beneficial concept to understand, and I’m glad someone pointed this out.

    you see a lot of fighters benefit from this. Sometimes we refer to it as “home field advantage” but it can extend far beyond that.

    some fighters carry this around with them, and it’s responsible for some of the totally absurd decisions that we see. Certainly not all, but it definitely influences things in subtle ways we don’t always appreciate.
     
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    CJ Ross was turning in unpopular scorecards before that too.
     
  18. deucesarewild

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    I think more are saying there are many asterisks next to it.
     
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    I mean, we had a guy in Rigo's camp who was telling us about Rigo coming down 30-40 pounds just to get the fight. Rigondeaux was an incredible talent who was mostly outsized at 122. He's going to be fighting, at the age of at least 40, at 118, in all likelihood. Incredibly talented fighter at his best, but the guy hadn't fought a real opponent since 2013. The guy was dwarfed by Nonito Donaire, but he's the crowning win of the best fighter in the sport when he's 37, not fought anyone in 4 years, and going up 2 weight classes. That's fucking insane. No one gets that kind of break.
     
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  20. Kovalev's "Man Bag"

    Kovalev's "Man Bag" I don't do titles

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    Rigo wasn't overweight leading up to the Loma fight. Actual footage of him exists (which I previously posted and am reposting) only a month before it broke that the fight was being planned and had a date. It isn't older footage, either. Notice the guy he's with points to the camera and addresses Lomachenko at the end of the video.
     
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