Social San Diego to spend 11 million on elaborate homeless tent facility

[bellend]

USAs homelessness % is actually lower than a lot of other first world countries.. notably Germany, France, Sweden and the UK. I don’t think it’s as easily solvable as you’re making it sound. The problem is that the homeless in the US often congregate to the same spots(where the weather is favorable). And that location becomes known for having a lot of homeless.

Do you have a source for this? I spent months in 17 cities in Germany, never saw significant homeless people anywhere.

 

[bellend]

So what you're saying is we should elect politicians who want to reign in and buttfuck wallstreet, the financial institutions, and those who profit and create an unequal system? I'm down.

Not at all. You presented the "Salt Lake City" model as if was some genius solution. It isn't. I don't know how to fix it other than correcting the economy to benefit more than less.

 

[superpunch]

Any effort to help the homeless is worth the cost. Yes, most made bad life decisions and continue to. I hope it's more than just feeding them and clothing them, but offering classes and workshops that can help them get a job and earn a living. Teach them a trade and give them another chance.

Those job training programs already exist. Anyone that needs to make money that day can go to a day labor temp agency and work and get paid that day too. The problem isn’t a lack of work or job training. It’s a mental health and drug addiction problem.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Not at all. You presented the "Salt Lake City" model as if was some genius solution. It isn't. I don't know how to fix it other than correcting the economy to benefit more than less.

And I think that would be a great overarching policy aim, and would benefit not only the homelessness problem, but the general problem of wealth being concentrated into the hands of a couple thousand people while billions suffer.

No one policy will solve everything, and I never said that. I think you do the ethical thing for these people while implementing rational and ethical policies.

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

I never made this argument. You arguing against your own conjecture.

Last post, page 5 replying to me talking about my link.

What is your expert qualifications other than parroting conservative strawmen incessantly.

So dumb doesnt know his posts are still there...

 

[PHATV]

There are two major homeless shelters in my area I've volunteered for. One does exactly what you prescribe and tries to separate out those who can be easily put on a track to success from those who need some food and a place to crash. The other seems to lump everyone in together and focus on meeting basic needs, although that may not be entirely fair to their operation. That one is closer to downtown, not that far from the football stadium, and I think they are a bit overwhelmed by numbers, which are small compared to West Coast numbers.

The womens' shelters seem to have a higher percentage of people just in temporary bad straits due to domestic violence. But they have plenty of crazy folks and addicts too.

A decade ago downtown was in rough shape simply because of the amount of beggars, plus the sordid Occupy camp. The FBI eventually arrested several of the Occupy leaders here for conspiracy to blow up one of the I-75 bridges. And after Cleveland legalized gambling the city has tried to clear out public square of vagrants more aggressively due to pressure from the casinos. It seemed to work well at first, and downtown became a pleasant place to visit again. Well, relatively.

The shelters allow users and drunks in them up there?

And we had a tent city thing going on down here for a while. They told them police were coming in one week and they would arrest them and they stayed, it was delayed another week, they stayed. They finally cleaned it all up and threw a bunch of garbage away and everything else, while "activists" tried to get them set-up in another location. All substance abusers, at a glance.

 

[bellend]

Last post, page 5 replying to me talking about my link.

So dumb doesnt know his posts are still there...

I never made the argument tents ended homelessness and housing doesn't in San Diego. You did then attributed it to me. Incorrect. Pay attention.

Tents alleviate the most common type of homelessness in America (from the link you supplied). That's it.

 

[Corona]

Do you have a source for this? I spent months in 17 cities in Germany, never saw significant homeless people anywhere.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population

Germany .50%
USA .17%

 

[bellend]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population

Germany .50%
USA .17%

Surprising. Side note I'm curious how Jordan has 0% homeless.

 

[Leagon]

USAs homelessness % is actually lower than a lot of other first world countries.. notably Germany, France, Sweden and the UK. I don’t think it’s as easily solvable as you’re making it sound. The problem is that the homeless in the US often congregate to the same spots(where the weather is favorable). And that location becomes known for having a lot of homeless.

I never said it was easily solved, just solvable. More countries have effectively solved homelessness than have developed nuclear weapons or launched a satelitte into orbit, yet we've managed both. We invented the Internet. We've toppled governments and manage to provide almost 400 million people with clean water.

None of these things are easy either.

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

I never made the argument tents ended homelessness and housing doesn't in San Diego. You did then attributed it to me. Incorrect. Pay attention.

Tents alleviate the most common type of homelessness in America (from the link you supplied). That's it.

Because one fail is never enough for you...

You sound like someone who severely misunderstands the issue you speak on.

Temporary shelter that is safe is all some people need to get on their feet.

In direct response, as you quoted it.

The answer is simple. Building tents does not end homelessness. It does nothing to push them away from it. It only provides temporary shelter.

You argued temporary helps some, to a person that says its only temporary and doesnt provide a fix.

Take your own advice, pay attention. You got nothing, you are too stupid to have anything. You cant read, you call a charity group that fixes homelessness a conservative strawman only to then later try to use it and fail, twice. hard.

Your best bet is to walk away as you have displayed the ability to do nothing but fail, like all leftists do. Reality and you dont get along with your 11 million dollar TENTS...when you can build a 30,000 square foot warehouse for 1.5 million...

I mean, why build an actual building with insulation and full protection that could house 10s of thousands of homeless when you can build TENTs for far more money, for far less people providing far less protection...right...Lefty McLeftist?

https://www.korteco.com/construction-industry-articles/guide-warehouse-construction-costs/

https://www.buildingsguide.com/blog/planning-steel-warehouse-building/

https://www.austintenantadvisors.com/blog/cost-to-build-out-brand-new-warehouse-space/

There is a reason why they dont openly talk about the size of the tents...because the cost per square foot will raise alarms.

But you go on with your championing a non-fix, and a piss poor overpriced one at that.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population

Germany .50%
USA .17%

Without derailing this thread into immigration issues, I wonder if Germany's numbers are related to the receding refugee crisis. I have only been in Germany once, but I saw beggars. Beggars =/= homeless, but the categories have an overlap I think.

 

[Corona]

I never said it was easibly solved, just solvable. More countries have effectively solved homelessness than have developed nuclear weapons or launched a satelitte into orbit, yet we've managed both. We invented the Internet. We've toppled governments and manage to provide almost 400 million people with clean water.

None of these things are easy either.

And yet other world super powers like Germany, UK and Sweden have more homeless per capita than the US. As long as places like Southern California have a favorable environment, there will always be homeless people.

 

[superpunch]

I believe homelessness is best tackled at the family level, but Americans don't really care about family so this is a good fix. San Diego's homelessness problem is insane. I remember hearing about this project early on (or maybe just an earlier version of this?) and I was a fan. Still am. Anything to get these people off the streets and give them a chance to get their lives back.

It has very little to do with not caring about family. Have you ever been close to someone with extreme mental illness or drug addiction?

 

[zebby23]

So naive. If you build it, they will come.

There are always more. There is always going to be life fighting to find a way on the fringe. If you feed what exists, more will populate, and take up their place on the outskirts in the most desperate conditions of human subsistence where possible. Death is the only equilibrium.

That's why homelessness isn't much of a problem in countries where it freezes over in the winter. The desperate migrate. Don't even have to be homeless. I think of all the Russian husbands who freeze to death because they're scared to go home, and answer to their wives for all the vodka on their breath.

What you're talking about is managing it. That is more sensible. Expensive, but perhaps less expensive for a city like San Diego considering other policies that are out of their hands.

When I say eradicate it I mean (obviously) for people who want the help. As in, there is enough food for all and there are enough roofs for the homeless people.

Are you saying New York and Chicago don’t have a homeless problem, because they freeze in the the winter. I see many homeless people outside freezing their asses off in the winter.

I’m all far managing the problem if that’s the best we can do.

 

[zebby23]

It has very little to do with not caring about family. Have you ever been close to someone with extreme mental illness or drug addiction?

It’s super tough with someone drug addicted: they don’t care where they sleep as long as they have the fix.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Without derailing this thread into immigration issues, I wonder if Germany's numbers are related to the receding refugee crisis. I have only been in Germany once, but I saw beggars. Beggars =/= homeless, but the categories have an overlap I think.

Eh, It would still be worse than the US, almost double the US rate.

An estimated 60 percent of Germany's homeless are believed to hail from Romania, Bulgaria and Poland. I mean, I guess they might be considered refugees, but not from the Middle East crisis. More of a statement about the EU. So even if you eliminate the total numbers of refugees from the Middle East, it is still about double the homelessness rate of the US.

https://www.dw.com/en/poverty-homelessness-on-the-rise-despite-german-affluence/a-41849346

edit: keep in mind, that when people visit foreign countries, it is usually to tourist areas. Where the community keeps it nice, and homeless people out. Police "police" those areas better, as they bring in money

 

[SaigeVanZant]

Seems like a waste of money

 

[Leagon]

It has very little to do with not caring about family. Have you ever been close to someone with extreme mental illness or drug addiction?

Yeah.

 

[superpunch]

Nm