International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

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Grim assessment of the counteroffensive so far:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...teroffensive-melitopol/?utm_source=reddit.com
Tldr: Russia and Ukraine are both taking heavy losses.
Ukraine breaking through before winter is unlikely (to put it mildly) at this point.
They seem to be determined to continue their offensive (altho they have switched their strategy/tactics at this point).

We'll see what can be achieved by using their counter battery strategy, which appears to be one their most succesful endeavours this offensive.

that beeing said, if the offensive fails to drive the Russians out of Ukrainian territory (conceding territory has been a non-option for Ukraine, raping and murdering the local population in occupied territories will have that effect).

What will the next strategy be? Pour billions into cheap drones e.g. last night:



And continue the attritional war in the south/east, in addition to hoping the effects of the economic sanctions pile on?
 
Yeah, dude should have been worshipped for his comments.
We shouldn't have dared to call him out on his great ideas, you know like how Ukraine should have committed all of their effort into a para drop behind enemy lines for their counteroffensive.
How dare anyone talk back
Yeah.
He had been explained about dense network of SAM systems russia had installed and what will happen with airplanes if they will attempt to drop paratroopers behind frontlines.
Also sadly he literally repeats Kremlin's propaganda version + OK, a lot of this " between lines " in order to make ppl
Grim assessment of the counteroffensive so far:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...teroffensive-melitopol/?utm_source=reddit.com
Tldr: Russia and Ukraine are both taking heavy losses.
Ukraine breaking through before winter is unlikely (to put it mildly) at this point.
They seem to be determined to continue their offensive (altho they have switched their strategy/tactics at this point).

We'll see what can be achieved by using their counter battery strategy, which appears to be one their most succesful endeavours this offensive.

that beeing said, if the offensive fails to drive the Russians out of Ukrainian territory (conceding territory has been a non-option for Ukraine, raping and murdering the local population in occupied territories will have that effect).

What will the next strategy be? Pour billions into cheap drones e.g. last night:



And continue the attritional war in the south/east, in addition to hoping the effects of the economic sanctions pile on?

Plus add here : they definitely should hit ammo depots far from frontline in order to reduce russia's potential to attack.
Therefore they need to have something like ATACMS and these cruise missiles...


Also to destroy radioelectronic warfare stations...they are very important aspect in this war...
 
Well if you know Putin chances are you're on his hit list.

"
A series of Putin's cronies have died in mysterious circumstances since war broke out in Ukraine.

On Wednesday, it was revealed Colonel-General Gennady Zhidko, 58, had been found dead from an unknown illness after being purged from the military command.

Lopyrev meanwhile suddenly fell ill on Monday and as he gasped for breath doctors told him he had previously undiagnosed leukaemia.

But there are suspicions he was poisoned just as he became eligible for parole.
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But there are suspicions he was poisoned just as he became eligible for parole.
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Poisoning is common thing used to deal with ppl in russia.
BTW criminal circles and underground economy circles in USSR era too loved such solutions.
Toxicology literature in USSR was in high demand. Ofc designed for medics to learn how to help ppl but ...might had been used in order to know how to harm ppl.
 
Criminal circles.
Poisoning usually had been done in 3 cases:
1. Preparator had borrowed money etc and doesn't want to pay back.
2. Victim does know things preparator doesn't want to be disclosed.

3. If some crime done in group, money etc had been get, lesser ppl from group will remain alive, each from them will get more money etc.
 
Grim assessment of the counteroffensive so far:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...teroffensive-melitopol/?utm_source=reddit.com
Tldr: Russia and Ukraine are both taking heavy losses.
Ukraine breaking through before winter is unlikely (to put it mildly) at this point.
They seem to be determined to continue their offensive (altho they have switched their strategy/tactics at this point).

We'll see what can be achieved by using their counter battery strategy, which appears to be one their most succesful endeavours this offensive.

that beeing said, if the offensive fails to drive the Russians out of Ukrainian territory (conceding territory has been a non-option for Ukraine, raping and murdering the local population in occupied territories will have that effect).

What will the next strategy be? Pour billions into cheap drones e.g. last night:



And continue the attritional war in the south/east, in addition to hoping the effects of the economic sanctions pile on?


Well done Ukr. Strike fear in Rus citizens hearts. Now they will know why they are afraid of the dark. Now they learn why they fear the night.
 
Grim assessment of the counteroffensive so far:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...teroffensive-melitopol/?utm_source=reddit.com
Tldr: Russia and Ukraine are both taking heavy losses.
Ukraine breaking through before winter is unlikely (to put it mildly) at this point.
They seem to be determined to continue their offensive (altho they have switched their strategy/tactics at this point).

We'll see what can be achieved by using their counter battery strategy, which appears to be one their most succesful endeavours this offensive.

that beeing said, if the offensive fails to drive the Russians out of Ukrainian territory (conceding territory has been a non-option for Ukraine, raping and murdering the local population in occupied territories will have that effect).

What will the next strategy be? Pour billions into cheap drones e.g. last night:



And continue the attritional war in the south/east, in addition to hoping the effects of the economic sanctions pile on?

The Washington Post sucks they been this way since the beginning of the war same as New York Times sh"t media outlets on the war. They are corporate media plain an simple more worried about Wall Street an the dollar then the implications.
 

I can't think of any part of the Russian armed forced that has taken a bigger reputational hit in this war than their AA defenses.
You could argue their logistics performed worse, but they didnt have a reputation like their AA did.
 

I can't think of any part of the Russian armed forced that has taken a bigger reputational hit in this war than their AA defenses.
You could argue their logistics performed worse, but they didnt have a reputation like their AA did.

Yeah.

Actually I have 2 versions.
No1. Strikes in Moscov ordered by Putin to justify war, interest rates % hike, budget deficit, money printing and maybe next cycle of partial mogilization, also to boost up pro war mindset in Moscow.

No2. Ukr or some russian groups does have ability to launch drones from Moscow area.;).
Then Kremlin with it's GRU, FSB and other services really sucks and Putin will order to start some Purge:D:D:D while anyway will be used to boost expenses on war in Ukraine.

3. If really cheap drone launched from Ukraine might unnoticed reach Moscow then......:p I even can't believe.
Russia's air defense is highly touted and for Moscow and It's oblastj definitely are installed bunches with multi layered air defense systems and ofc additionally a lot of other tools...like radars used just for detection, damn a lot of civil aircraft control radars and metorological radars.
Definitely also huge bunches with different jammers.
 
Grim assessment of the counteroffensive so far:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...teroffensive-melitopol/?utm_source=reddit.com
Tldr: Russia and Ukraine are both taking heavy losses.
Ukraine breaking through before winter is unlikely (to put it mildly) at this point.
They seem to be determined to continue their offensive (altho they have switched their strategy/tactics at this point).

We'll see what can be achieved by using their counter battery strategy, which appears to be one their most succesful endeavours this offensive.

that beeing said, if the offensive fails to drive the Russians out of Ukrainian territory (conceding territory has been a non-option for Ukraine, raping and murdering the local population in occupied territories will have that effect).

What will the next strategy be? Pour billions into cheap drones e.g. last night:



And continue the attritional war in the south/east, in addition to hoping the effects of the economic sanctions pile on?


NYT is like a multiheaded monster. it's got good journalism and then it has NY Post levels of "journalism" throughout. One thing that i think is interesting is that ukraine is on offensive but the daily verified destroyed vehicles and equipment list almost always shows russia suffering 2-3x what ukraine has lost. I know the verified reports are not perfect but if there's any truth behind it that is a major indicator of how bad things are for the russians. The russians couldn't even do anything with a second offensive and right now it looks like Ukraine has a much stronger hand.
 


Pres. Putin is now admitting what would've been unthinkable before the war. Russia doesn't have what it needs to achieve its goals in Ukraine. What he's trying to do here (according to the C.I.A. expert) is trying to soften the blow so he doesn't wind up with a double dose of Polonium tea when this is all over.
 
NYT just now reporting 500k dead or seriously injured. And this is strictly troops, not civilians.

Article also says in November it was estimated at 200k, so more than doubled since.

estimates at 120k russian dead and 70k Ukrainians



NYT article has a paywall, but this link basically copied and pasted their numbers

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-casualties-total-russia-latest-b2395516.html

The number of troops killed or wounded in Ukraine since Russia’s invasion is approaching 500,000, according to US officials, in a harrowing estimate not accounting for civilian deaths.

Russia’s military casualties are approaching 300,000, including as many as 120,000 deaths.

While Ukraine has lost 70,000 troops, with between 100,000 and 120,000 injured, officials in Washington were reported as saying on Friday by the New York Times.
 
NYT just now reporting 500k dead or seriously injured. And this is strictly troops, not civilians.

Article also says in November it was estimated at 200k, so more than doubled since.

estimates at 120k russian dead and 70k Ukrainians



NYT article has a paywall, but this link basically copied and pasted their numbers

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-casualties-total-russia-latest-b2395516.html

The number of troops killed or wounded in Ukraine since Russia’s invasion is approaching 500,000, according to US officials, in a harrowing estimate not accounting for civilian deaths.

Russia’s military casualties are approaching 300,000, including as many as 120,000 deaths.

While Ukraine has lost 70,000 troops, with between 100,000 and 120,000 injured, officials in Washington were reported as saying on Friday by the New York Times.


Meduza/bbc joint operation is better for russian casualty rate(ukrainian is a mystery) since they actually use russian records and explain how they conduct their study.

Confirmed 27kia, estimated about 50k kia 125k overall casualties, news from last month

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/07/10/bring-out-your-dead
 
Meduza/bbc joint operation is better for russian casualty rate(ukrainian is a mystery) since they actually use russian records and explain how they conduct their study.

Confirmed 27kia, estimated about 50k kia 125k overall casualties, news from last month

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/07/10/bring-out-your-dead

125k overall or just russian? If just Russian, seems to correspond with this reporting of about 120k Russian.

this wasn’t the times doing research tho like I guess they are doing, they just citing numbers a US official told them
 
Russia-Ukraine war: First ship to use Kyiv’s corridor arrives in Turkey

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  • The first vessel to leave Russian-blocked port in Ukraine’s Black Sea corridor is crossing through Turkey’s Bosphorus Strait, according to the Reuters news agency.
  • The United States has given its approval for the Netherlands to deliver F-16s to Ukraine, the Dutch defence minister says, in a major gain for Kyiv.
  • A Ukrainian drone smashed into a building in central Moscow on Friday after Russian air defences shot it down, disrupting air traffic at civilian airports.
  • China’s defence minister visited Belarus, promising to increase military cooperation with Russia’s neighbour and ally.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/live...hip-uses-black-sea-corridor-arrives-in-turkey

Ukraine will get F-16 fighter jets from the Dutch and Danes after the U.S. agrees to allow transfers

Officials say the United States has given its approval for the Netherlands and Denmark to deliver F-16s to Ukraine

BySAMYA KULLAB, MIKE CORDER and JAN M. OLSEN


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THE HAGUE, Netherlands -- The United States has given its approval for the Netherlands and Denmark to deliver F-16s to Ukraine, officials in Washington and Europe said Friday, in a major gain for Kyiv, even though the fighter jets are unlikely to affect the war any time soon.

It was not immediately clear when the first F-16s might enter the conflict, but Ukrainian pilots will first have to undertake at least six months of training on the aircraft, according to officials.

Ukraine has long pleaded for the sophisticated fighter to give it a combat edge. It recently launched a long-anticipated counteroffensive against the Kremlin’s forces without air cover, placing its troops at the mercy of Russian aviation and artillery.

Even so, Air Force Gen. James Hecker, commander of U.S. air forces in Europe and Africa, told reporters in Washington he did not expect the F-16s to be a game-changer for Ukraine. Getting F-16 squadrons ready for battle could take “four or five years,” he said.

But in eastern Ukraine, attack helicopter pilots welcomed the news. They said Russia has a clear advantage in the skies, but the introduction of better fighter jets could dramatically shift the balance of power Kyiv’s way.

Ukrainian air forces supporting infantry are using decades-old Soviet-era planes, which are vulnerable to air-to-air missile attacks from Russian fighter jets, Capt. Yevgen Rakita, a spokesman for the 18th Army Aviation Brigade, told The Associated Press.

“A modern war cannot be won without aviation" capabilities, Rakita said.

In making the decision on F-16 deliveries, Washington aims to ensure warplanes can be provided to Ukraine as soon as its pilots complete training, according to a U.S. administration official who was not authorized to comment and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity.

U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan said U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken sent a letter to his Dutch and Danish counterparts earlier this week, offering formal assurance that the U.S. would fast-track approval of all requests from third parties to transfer F-16s to Ukraine.

Danish Defense Minister Jakob Ellemann-Jensen said Friday that the training of Ukrainian pilots is starting this month.

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A coalition of 11 Western countries — the Netherlands, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Luxembourg, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Sweden and the United Kingdom — pledged in July to train Ukrainian pilots to fly F-16s.


Denmark will hand over some of its F-16s only after receiving its new F-35 jet fighters. The first four F-35s are due to be delivered on Oct. 1.

Washington's blessing for the plane donations to other countries is needed because the aircraft are made in the United States.

Ukraine's Western allies have at times moved slowly on granting Kyiv the military support it has requested.

President Joe Biden's authorization last May for allies to train Ukrainian forces on how to operate the warplanes, and eventually to provide the aircraft themselves, was preceded by months of debate in Washington and quiet talks with allies, officials said.

The administration had concerns that the move might escalate tensions with Russia. Also, U.S. officials argued that learning to fly and logistically support the advanced F-16 would be difficult.

Though delivery is likely months away, Washington says the F-16s — like the advanced U.S. Abrams tanks — will be crucial for Ukraine's long-term security.

Ukraine has been relying on older aircraft, such as Russian-made MiG-29 and Sukhoi jets. F-16s have newer technology and targeting capabilities. They are also more versatile, experts say.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/drone-shot-central-moscow-injuries-reported-102363413
 
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