Rule changes that could help reduce chain control wrestling?

[Tweak896]

UFC meta as a striker is to stick close to the cage and wall walk your way standing. It goes both ways. Wrestling has always been dominant unless you have enough TDD to keep them off you.

 

[moreorless87]

UFC meta as a striker is to stick close to the cage and wall walk your way standing. It goes both ways. Wrestling has always been dominant unless you have enough TDD to keep them off you.

Why personally I would favour something like ropes with netting inbetween, make it as tall a the cage but with some give to it then ability to both clinch an opponent against it and to use to stay standing or stand back up will be more limited, plus fighters striking defence will also not be as effected by it.

The fixed barrier of the cage does I think tend to favour lower skill tactics which arent fun to watch,

 

[Tweak896]

Why personally I would favour something like ropes with netting inbetween, make it as tall a the cage but with some give to it then ability to both clinch an opponent against it and to use to stay standing or stand back up will be more limited, plus fighters striking defence will also not be as effected by it.

The fixed barrier of the cage does I think tend to favour lower skill tactics which arent fun to watch,

Just seemed like in Pride the ropes let guys get easier takedowns. Also more potential problems. I could see guys like Khamzat ramming their opponents out of the ring quicker then the refs can stop them. Also it relied on more restarts I don't trust non Japanese refs to not mess up.

The cage does create tons of stalling though from both grapplers and anti-grapplers. Honestly I personally don't see a best format and the rules matter more.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Just seemed like in Pride the ropes let guys get easier takedowns. Also more potential problems. I could see guys like Khamzat ramming their opponents out of the ring quicker then the refs can stop them. Also it relied on more restarts I don't trust non Japanese refs to not mess up.

The cage does create tons of stalling though from both grapplers and anti-grapplers. Honestly I personally don't see a best format and the rules matter more.

I agree with that. No matter what setup you have, you'll create delays. At the end of the day it's up to the referees to use their judgement and reset the fighters in the middle of the octagon when obvious stalling positions occur.

But it doesn't help having the idiot Joe Rogan criticizing refs every time they do their job and saying "you have to let these guys work!"

 

[Tweak896]

I agree with that. No matter what setup you have, you'll create delays. At the end of the day it's up to the referees to use their judgement and reset the fighters in the middle of the octagon when obvious stalling positions occur.

But it doesn't help having the idiot Joe Rogan criticizing refs every time they do their job and saying "you have to let these guys work!"

Yeah UFC cage or ring, should have its own yellow card system before they try and change the whole arena.

 

[TheTickG]

Remove the fence, add electrical wires.

 

[Alpha_T83]

I strictly want to know who is the better fighter. Even if it's at the expense of excitement. People that complain about "boring grapplers" should literally just go watching kickboxing.


If a person is stuck on bottom, it's 100% THEIR FAULT and THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to get out of that position.

Except what does "better fighter" mean? Sorry but MMA doesn't resemble an actual street fight. It's just a combat sport with arbitrary rules to mix striking and grappling. You change the rules, you change the style and by definition the "better fighter" is dependent on the rules.

Given that this is sports entertainment, the rules should be skewed to favor more exciting fights. It's not rocket science.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Such a poor attitude honestly. These sarcastic replies are just dumb and uneducated.

You are posting in a karate forum... what the fuck do you expect other than 85% trolling and 10% semi serious answers.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Khabib was a little different. He actually passed guard and smashed people.

I still think the cage unfairly benefited him, since fighters can't grab it but he can use it to get takedowns. But at least Khabib was dominant and passed guard and finished fights.

That's not the case for every control wrestler. Some of them get the takedown and just keep their opponent trapped against the cage in guard/halfguard like Merab did to O'Malley.

Huge Aldo fan.. but motherfucker how many times has he lost that way?

He lost like that vs Volkanovki.. then Merab.. now this bum random ass dude.

He should know better at this point

 

[Sasha]

Effort shouldn't factor in imo. It takes more effort to land a glancing tornado kick than a stiff jab. Taking your opponent down is good because it gives you an opportunity to punch or submit them while minimising their chances of punching or submitting you, that advantage should be enough. If you ragdoll your opponent but land no significant strikes and never threaten a submission I don't think thats worth much at all. But that's just my opinion of how things should be, obviously that's not the way fights are scored today.

I say the judging should be done by a doctor, at the end of the fight, on a clinical basis. I think it would be fair, with a lot of funny statistics.

 

[The Siege]

Remove the fence, add electrical wires.

Give the refs cattle prods to make sure the action keeps going. A whip would...uh create some problems when reffing certain fighters

 

[kingofthecans]

There's one flaw with this and it's that he who presses against the cage first dominates. Even a good wrestler can't counter himself. You think Khabib vs Khabib would end up being a standup fight because he would nullify his own wrestling? no. It would end up with one of them getting the takedown against the cage, and the other unable to stand up. This is because the MMA rules and the cage benefit offensive wrestling and punish wrestlers trapped against the cage.

IF you allowed defensive cage grabs for a downed opponent (on your butt/back only), then Khabib vs Khabib would end up in a striking stalemate. That's why I think that rule change is important.

If they were a better wrestler they wouldn't be against the cage getting ready to have their salad tossed without even 1000 island dressing.

If they were better..... well it wouldn't happen.

 

[moreorless87]

Just seemed like in Pride the ropes let guys get easier takedowns. Also more potential problems. I could see guys like Khamzat ramming their opponents out of the ring quicker then the refs can stop them. Also it relied on more restarts I don't trust non Japanese refs to not mess up.

The cage does create tons of stalling though from both grapplers and anti-grapplers. Honestly I personally don't see a best format and the rules matter more.

Why I think something inbetween a ring and a cage might be ideal, ropes as tall as a cage with netting inbetween.

 

[Luthien]

Bring in a cattle prod and shock em

 

[Tweak896]

Why I think something inbetween a ring and a cage might be ideal, ropes as tall as a cage with netting inbetween.

Probably but seems like it would look tacky just thinking about that.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

If you want fans, don’t simply be held down

MMA is and has always been heavily saturated by grapplers, adapt or gtfo

 

[StonedLemur]

Or maybe watch a different fucking sport if wrestlers are beating your favorite strikers.

A fuckin men sir.

 

[Hdfi]

Make decisions an automatic draw. No point fighter would be able to exploit legal loopholes, and only killers would survive in the long run.

 

[muaythaibeast]

I think i see what your saying .


I think a better way to word it in the judging criteria is top control should only be factored in on dominant positions ( full mount , full side control and back mount with (full hooks,body triangle) and not neutral ones...( Pretty much any other positions)

I think that would clear up the , i get a takedown and just chill in guard for abit throwing some shots...here and there...that said, its also on the other fighter to get out of those positions or do something from their back...since they got put in that position by their opponent to begin with...its like my analogy before...if your opponent is controlling the range on the feet from a far you cant call it a foul or against the rules...you just gotta find a way to get closer to your opponent so you can land your shots on the feet...same thing applies here

Almost agree entirely, but given the judging criteria control should almost never be a factor.
If you have mount/side control/back mount etc, the reward is you have far better opportunity to land shots and attack submissions than your opponent, who can pretty much only defend, so you should win the round by having offence where your opponent can't.
When we look at guard, if the bloke on top just lays on you, doesn't attempt to posture up to land anything, or pass, there's very little opportunity to do anything. The scrambles are created in the action. The way I view it, if we score laying in guard as control, we actually eliminate effective grappling from the sport.

 

[HavokHarmon]

Back when fighters could get away with grabbing the cage, wrestlers would want to get takedowns in the middle of the octagon, to prevent their opponents from using the cage to stand up. Now it's the exact opposite: guys like Khabib, Merab, Makhachev, Belal, Khamzat, etc. all pressure their opponents against the cage, and then use the cage as a barrier to get takedowns and hold people down. It's insane to me that they can use the cage to their advantage, but fighters aren't allowed to make use of defensive cage grabs to stand up.

I think the rules should be amended to allow defensive cage grabs for downed fighters to get back to their feet. Either that or takedowns against the octagon should be automatically reset to the center of the octagon in full guard. One of the best ways to stand up from a takedown is to get half guard and then shrimp out to create a scramble. But you can't do that when you're pressed up against the cage.

I guess I'm just sick of MMA rules making the cage an advantage for control wrestlers.

I don’t think they’ll ever allow cage grabbing for any reason if only because it becomes an injury concern for the grabber. There would be no way to prevent guys from getting fingers and toes broken if they grabbed and got caught up. So that part is probably out.

I also don’t think it would be plausible to create a rule disallowing takedowns against the cage. There would be way too much gray area as to what constitutes being up against the cage during a takedown. Additionally I think it would also create a situation where fighters would simply stay on the cage to prevent being taken down and that would lead to some pretty wonky looking fights.

The idea of resetting guys taken down against the cage is probably the most doable of the 3 but would still be very difficult to enforce and most likely incredibly disruptive to the action.