Rule changes that could help reduce chain control wrestling?

muaythaibeast said:
In all honesty, if you are ragdolling someone and throwing them around at will, i think you're doing damage. What Khabib did in the Trujilo fight without doubt did damage.
My issue is if you land a few single or double legs throughout the fight, don't use them at all, but expect them to win you a fight.
The takedown itself is effective grappling, but if you don't pass guard or land anything, then that minute of 'top control' in a neutral position was not effective grappling.
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I think i see what your saying .


I think a better way to word it in the judging criteria is top control should only be factored in on dominant positions ( full mount , full side control and back mount with (full hooks,body triangle) and not neutral ones...( Pretty much any other positions)

I think that would clear up the , i get a takedown and just chill in guard for abit throwing some shots...here and there...that said, its also on the other fighter to get out of those positions or do something from their back...since they got put in that position by their opponent to begin with...its like my analogy before...if your opponent is controlling the range on the feet from a far you cant call it a foul or against the rules...you just gotta find a way to get closer to your opponent so you can land your shots on the feet...same thing applies here
 
Stop by the Heavies for the first time in a while and see the same "wrestlers are ruining the sport" crying that has been going on since I joined this forum...

If a fighter can't avoid being outwrestled that's on the fighter. Wrestling has been a part of MMA since its inception. If you can't stop it get better at striking or working off your back for a sweep or sub.

And this is the JUST BLEEDist saything this....
 
Alpha_T83 said:
Again, I disagree with you for one reason:

I firmly believe Khabib vs Khabib would end up with one of the Khabib's dominating via takedown. Once one of them got a takedown, the other would be completely unable to get up once trapped against the cage. If this is true, it means the MMA rules vastly benefit the offensive wrestler and no amount of defensive wrestling will help.

We will actually see this theory played out in Umar vs Merab. If I'm right, they'll both be going for takedowns against the cage, and we could actually see both of them dominate & control rounds, depending on who is the first to get the takedown against the cage. If I end up being right, then we NEED an MMA rule change to benefit defensive wrestlers trapped against the cage.
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As others have said, the cage wall does NOT unfairly punish bottom guy. If you've ever grappled against a padded wall, it has pros and cons for both guys. Sure top guy can "trap" bottom guy against the wall but the wall also prevents top guy from passing or otherwise moving in that direction, limiting his offensive options. OTOH the wall allows bottom guy to wall walk up in a way he can't do in the middle of the cage. Bottom guy can also push off the cage with feet or hands which can benefit him in scrambles. From standing, the wall limits both guys' options but can make TDs harder to achieve because the wall precludes conventional wrestling doubles, singles and cutting the corner. So clinch work becomes more important and it's easier for guy against the cage (because other guy can't take him down backwards) to secure an underhook to switch positions, which we see all the time in MMA.
 
Allow all the strikes all the time.

Knees
Soccer kicks
Stomps
Fuckin headbutts


And why do we need to stop wrestling?
It's mma.

"We gotta do something!!
Elite fighters are using their fighting skills to win fights!! "



Fuck outta here <DisgustingHHH>
 
If action is an issue then use a "stalling" rule.

Fighters should be stood up as soon as no clear attempt to finish the fight on the ground is being made. Maybe give them 20 seconds to improve their position, land strikes, or make a sub attempt and them stand them back up.
 
How about three cage grabs per fight

It’s like a limited thing. Like a time out.

“Awww he used up his cage grabs Joe that was his last one!”
“Shut up Cormier I hate you”
“Damn!”
 
Knees to the head on the ground, soccer kick, stomps and upkicks. Only way. It rewards good grapplers punishes bad grapplers who play it safe.
 
There are already enough rules against wrestlers.
 
The UFC should just become a mixed striking arts combat organisation only and ban grappling/wrestling since casuals who pay for PPVs and tickets find grappling/wrestling boring and only want striking in the UFC

The FOTN at UFC 307 was just a striking match only between Alex & Khalil for example

Striking only matches in the UFC excite the casual crowd, when the crowd shows the same excitement for grappling/wrestling matches like they do striking then it might change but all you hear is booing and yawns at live events whenever grappling/wrestling is involved by the casuals
 
mangokush said:
The UFC should just become a mixed striking arts combat organisation only and ban grappling/wrestling since casuals who pay for PPVs and tickets find grappling/wrestling boring and only want striking in the UFC

The FOTN at UFC 307 was just a striking match only between Alex & Khalil for example

Striking only matches in the UFC excite the casual crowd, when the crowd shows the same excitement for grappling/wrestling matches like they do striking then it might change but all you hear is booing and yawns at live events whenever grappling/wrestling is involved by the casuals
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This is a disgusting post and should be bannable IMO

Dont put this madness into the universe..shame on you
 
I strictly want to know who is the better fighter. Even if it's at the expense of excitement. People that complain about "boring grapplers" should literally just go watching kickboxing.
<Fedor23>

If a person is stuck on bottom, it's 100% THEIR FAULT and THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to get out of that position.
 
BJJ4Tone said:
I strictly want to know who is the better fighter. Even if it's at the expense of excitement. People that complain about "boring grapplers" should literally just go watching kickboxing.
<Fedor23>

If a person is stuck on bottom, it's 100% THEIR FAULT and THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to get out of that position.
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Seems like that may be dying out, and surprisingly its starting right here on the so-called "hardcore" internet karate forum.

Posters are actively planning on how fighters can avoid the number one contender, arguing for the UFC to matchmake based on excitement and not merit, and now people trying to further limit wrestling and grappling.

I am interested in seeing how the UFC develops in the coming decades, especially with the influence of the Pro Wrestling side of TKO.
 
The Siege said:
Seems like that may be dying out, and surprisingly its starting right here on the so-called "hardcore" internet karate forum.

Posters are actively planning on how fighters can avoid the number one contender, arguing for the UFC to matchmake based on excitement and not merit, and now people trying to further limit wrestling and grappling.

I am interested in seeing how the UFC develops in the coming decades, especially with the influence of the Pro Wrestling side of TKO.
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People clamoring for 'Wrestle bettR" forget - there are no walls in ammy wrestling so its really just taking advantage of an artificial construct. Speaking of which, MMA fans love to say the sport is closest to 'actual fighting' and there's nobody there to tell you cant grip that construct to better get out of it So im all for letting them grab the wall to counter Wall & Stall
 
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