Rule changes that could help reduce chain control wrestling?

[NoSmilez]

They need to change the scoring. Fighters also really need to improve their TDD. Study some tape and hire some people. If you can't then make a journey somewhere to learn how to shut them down.

 

[Mick Dojang]

The solution already exists and Rizin use it

1. Yellow cards for stalling, with 10% purse reduction
2. Knees to grounded opponents

Give them more tools to finish the fight and give them a major disincentive to stall. If Rizin is anything to go by, as soon as the yellow is back in the referees pocket they come out storming

 

[TJH Exitium]

hmm... tough one

Perhaps make a rule that all competitors have to learn wrestling. So they can defend themselves against wrestling.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

The solution already exists and Rizin use it

1. Yellow cards for stalling, with 10% purse reduction
2. Knees to grounded opponents

Give them more tools to finish the fight and give them a major disincentive to stall. If Rizin is anything to go by, as soon as the yellow is back in the referees pocket they come out storming

I don't think the yellow card solution would even be legal in the US.

 

[GrantB13]

I don’t know anyone that has ever voiced an opposition to taking someone down against the cage

The outrage is when someone pushes you the fence, holds you there, and does nothing

Then they get rewarded with a win because of vague “control time” when that’s not even in the criteria and no effective grappling was achieved

Is it not effective if the opponent can't get up?

 

[ultra321]

Disallow takedowns.

Allow striking, a sport where you can box and kick.

Call it something like kickboxing maybe?

What about elbows and knees??? and maybe call it something with some south east asian flair...... What though............

 

[GrantB13]

I love the anti-grappling movement of late. I guess if you don't take down your opponents and very quickly submit them or finish them with strikes it shouldn't be allowed. There are advantages to the cage for defense. Wall walking? Fighters will SPECIFICALLY scoot to the cage to help them get up. And how many times have we seen a fighter saved by falling into the fence when they were about to go down if it were in the open?

Basically, everyone just needs to get over it.

 

[ultra321]

Back when fighters could get away with grabbing the cage, wrestlers would want to get takedowns in the middle of the octagon, to prevent their opponents from using the cage to stand up. Now it's the exact opposite: guys like Khabib, Merab, Makhachev, Belal, Khamzat, etc. all pressure their opponents against the cage, and then use the cage as a barrier to get takedowns and hold people down. It's insane to me that they can use the cage to their advantage, but fighters aren't allowed to make use of defensive cage grabs to stand up.

I think the rules should be amended to allow defensive cage grabs for downed fighters to get back to their feet. Either that or takedowns against the octagon should be automatically reset to the center of the octagon in full guard. One of the best ways to stand up from a takedown is to get half guard and then shrimp out to create a scramble. But you can't do that when you're pressed up against the cage.

I guess I'm just sick of MMA rules making the cage an advantage for control wrestlers.

So pressed up against the cage = bad.... but GSP-esc lay and pray = good?

 

[SuperNerd]

Lol ts acting like defensive fighters don't use the cage to stop tds or get up.

 

[SuperNerd]

So pressed up against the cage = bad.... but GSP-esc lay and pray = good?

Hey stupid, Gsp lay and prayed who?

 

[ticho123]

But thats technically incorrect... because it takes less effort to throw a right hand then it does to secure a takedown and hold/control a grown ass man on the floor for 1 whole minute...

There should be some consideration in the judging for the effort of grappling otherwise why have it in the sport if the only thing your going to judge is what hurt most....it doesnt paint the correct picture of the match.. you could be absolutely rag dolling your opponent but not necessarily doing damage ( some of khmazat's rounds) but because his opponent lands some clean shots its his round?

That doesnt make sense to me ... I will agree more consistent and reliable judging is needed.

Effort shouldn't factor in imo. It takes more effort to land a glancing tornado kick than a stiff jab. Taking your opponent down is good because it gives you an opportunity to punch or submit them while minimising their chances of punching or submitting you, that advantage should be enough. If you ragdoll your opponent but land no significant strikes and never threaten a submission I don't think thats worth much at all. But that's just my opinion of how things should be, obviously that's not the way fights are scored today.

 

[SuperNerd]

Fingers would be in real danger.

Wrap your hand around a link fence as hard as you can, then let Yoel Romero grab your wrist and suddenly try to twist and rip it off.

 

[TJH Exitium]

Have a little Asian guy scream "ACTIOOOON" every few seconds if nobody is advancing position

 

[FreedomCricket]

There needs to be a change to the judges.

Right now I believe because of the athletic sanctioning organizations they provide the judges.

UFC needs their own judges just like the NFL employs referees.

Then the ufc can hold judges accountable.

It will have to be abundantly transparent because of the model.


Then we place 6 judges ring side to score each fight. Each judge assigned a number.

Before each fight 3 of the 6 judges are selected to be the "main scoring judges" however this is sealed and not exposed until after the individual fight ends.

When a fight goes to decision the 3 main scoring judges are used to determine the winner.

If the decision is fucky, the fighter has the ability to protest one judges score.

They protest the score and by doing so it brings in the other 3 judges in addition to the 2 non protested scores.

Then the fight is re-scored based on the 5 judges.


This way the judges will never know if they are the scorecard that will count. Judges wouldn't be able to help a fighter and know their bias determines an outcome.

Then of course having private judges allows oversight to judges that don't seem to know the rules or have egregious scoring errors.

 

[humdizzle]

they need to force grapplers to improve position or have significant strikes every 20 seconds. if you dont, you get stood back up.

stopping takedowns should be awarded on the judging criteria.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Effort shouldn't factor in imo. It takes more effort to land a glancing tornado kick than a stiff jab. Taking your opponent down is good because it gives you an opportunity to punch or submit them while minimising their chances of punching or submitting you, that advantage should be enough. If you ragdoll your opponent but land no significant strikes and never threaten a submission I don't think thats worth much at all. But that's just my opinion of how things should be, obviously that's not the way fights are scored today.

If you land a spinning back kick to someones face and all He's done is jab you ...you should win that round for the spinning kick to the head....not all strikes are created equal and not all movements are equal in MMA..

Theres dominated positions for a reason, ignoring that essentially takes away from the sport.. why would anyone learn to grapple if punching someone in the face is the only thing weighed ...

You have really understand what your watching before anyone tries to make rule changes

 

[muaythaibeast]

But thats technically incorrect... because it takes less effort to throw a right hand then it does to secure a takedown and hold/control a grown ass man on the floor for 1 whole minute...

There should be some consideration in the judging for the effort of grappling otherwise why have it in the sport if the only thing your going to judge is what hurt most....it doesnt paint the correct picture of the match.. you could be absolutely rag dolling your opponent but not necessarily doing damage ( some of khmazat's rounds) but because his opponent lands some clean shots its his round?

That doesnt make sense to me ... I will agree more consistent and reliable judging is needed.

If you grapple effectively, you will win the fight on every metric. If you use effective grappling to get to full mount, then you will land the better shots, have the better submission opportunities, wear the other guy out.
If you use your grappling to get to a neutral position which doesn't give you any advantage in landing effective striking or looking for submissions, then your grappling wasn't effective.
If you're ragdolling someone, but having no impact on them, then you weren't effective.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

If you grapple effectively, you will win the fight on every metric. If you use effective grappling to get to full mount, then you will land the better shots, have the better submission opportunities, wear the other guy out.
If you use your grappling to get to a neutral position which doesn't give you any advantage in landing effective striking or looking for submissions, then your grappling wasn't effective.
If you're ragdolling someone, but having no impact on them, then you weren't effective.

I agree with the top half, but it you're constantly taking your opponent at will when you want, and are tossing and slamming them...you're absolutely beating them and dominating... Your in control, your deciding the fights pace and location and your imposing your will on a fighter ...

Just like a skilled striking fighter can control range from distance with jabs, teeps, and straights...and win a fight in dominant tactical fashion but not finish their Opponent, so can grapplers...

 

[ultra321]

Hey stupid, Gsp lay and prayed who?

hey obnoxious asshole ... most everybody since the Serra loss... get your head out from a rock

 

[muaythaibeast]

I agree with the top half, but it you're constantly taking your opponent at will when you want, and are tossing and slamming them...you're absolutely beating them and dominating... Your in control, your deciding the fights pace and location and your imposing your will on a fighter ...

Just like a skilled striking fighter can control range from distance with jabs, teeps, and straights...and win a fight in dominant tactical fashion but not finish their Opponent, so can grapplers...

In all honesty, if you are ragdolling someone and throwing them around at will, i think you're doing damage. What Khabib did in the Trujilo fight without doubt did damage.
My issue is if you land a few single or double legs throughout the fight, don't use them at all, but expect them to win you a fight.
The takedown itself is effective grappling, but if you don't pass guard or land anything, then that minute of 'top control' in a neutral position was not effective grappling.