Reinier de ridder submits Khamzat

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If this fight really is 5 rounder and Khamzat shows up i have no doubt in my mind that Whittaker beats his ass. Khamzat struggles with smaller guys and gas out in 5 minutes. I still expect Khamzat to pull out but if hes really going to fight Rob he will be exposed and KO’d.
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I thought you would post a video of RDR submitting khamzat. Downvoted.
 
Cheese_&_mma_lover said:
Khamzat will just ride RDR w the waistlock for 25 minutes. There is no jiujitsu counter for hat. There will never be an evolution in the sport that can stop that.
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RDR would fight the hands and break the lock
 
dominion said:
Bad choice against RdR. That flying knee would deplete khamzat. Borz is not exactly a smooth striker and the pressure is constant. You're right RdR got the best chance because he can threaten khamzat on the ground like Burns, except he's arguably bigger than khamzat too, which so far khamzat had a size advantage against all of his opponents
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Also RdR has already proven he has heart, surviving knockdowns and winning. Khamzat too.

Great matchup.
 
I don’t know, man. History has shown that a great wrestler who’s also strong in grappling (submissions) will, more often than not—probably 9 out of 10 times—survive the submission game against a skilled grappler (submission specialist) with weak wrestling. On top of that, Khamzat can keep the fight standing most of the time, and I don’t think RDR is significantly better on the feet to the point where he could easily knock him out.

That said, RDR could definitely catch Khamzat. His best chance might be to tire him out and then take his back. This could be very possible if the fight gets to that stage, but the question is whether he can push it to that point. Give RDR the position that DDP had on Khamzat in the fifth round and an extra two minutes, and he might finish it—but how on earth would he even get him into that situation?

It’s MMA—that’s why we love this sport. Anything can happen. RDR could pull it off, and if he did, the psychological edge could even make a rematch easier for him. But if I had to put money on it, I’d still bet on Khamzat.
 
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He was struggling with Jai Hervert for two rounds and Oliveira is much bigger. Dehydraded Holloway schooled Topuria for 3 rounds untill he got KO’d. Hydraded Oliveira is different caliber than zombie holloway at 145. Mark my words Oliveira finishes Topuria and sends him back to 145
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Thread 'Whittaker tears Khamzat a new one'

If this fight really is 5 rounder and Khamzat shows up i have no doubt in my mind that Whittaker beats his ass. Khamzat struggles with smaller guys and gas out in 5 minutes. I still expect Khamzat to pull out but if hes really going to fight Rob he will be exposed and KO’d.
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EXPOSED!!!!!!!
 
balkanbomber85 said:
I don’t know, man. History has shown that a great wrestler who’s also strong in grappling (submissions) will, more often than not—probably 9 out of 10 times—survive the submission game against a skilled grappler (submission specialist) with weak wrestling. On top of that, Khamzat can keep the fight standing most of the time, and I don’t think RDR is significantly better on the feet to the point where he could easily knock him out.
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Has it? My money is on the skilled grappler to get a sweep, not to get a submission off the back. Are you sure you don't mean strikers with decent guards and triangles like Pettis as opposed to truly elite grapplers like RDR?
 
payton said:
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Thread 'Du Plessis retires Chimaev'

Ratlip doesn’t stand a chance against Du plessis he was struggling with old Kamaru so badly that i believe hes already past his prime and gets knocked out badly. Hes mentally weak aswell and when Du plessis KTFO him i can see him retiring right away and if he does fight again he will lose. Hes one trick pony with terrible gas tank and dricus exposes him.
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Dustin is done. His peak of career was when he scores controversial knockout against Mcgregor who came from long lay off and boxing camp. After that is has been all downhill from him. Max is still young and hungry. He won’t fold like he did against Ilia when he was dehydrated. This time he will beat Poirier from bone to pillar and leave him stiff on the canvas.
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Thread 'Oliveira tears Topuria a new one'

He was struggling with Jai Hervert for two rounds and Oliveira is much bigger. Dehydraded Holloway schooled Topuria for 3 rounds untill he got KO’d. Hydraded Oliveira is different caliber than zombie holloway at 145. Mark my words Oliveira finishes Topuria and sends him back to 145
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He was severely injured in their first bout. He even went to major surgery right after fight and basicly couldn’t wrestle whole camp. I think O’malley doesn’t just beat Merab on feet but also outwrestles him. He had his moments in first bout and he was only 30%. Merab is very good but when O’malley is healthy and on point he doesn’t just beat Merab but finishes him brutally.
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Theres levels in this game and Jon was never good striker and now hes too old to take down people. Pereira would keep fight standing and punish Jon untiöö hes uncosciious. Even against prime Jon i think Alex beats him hes just so damn good.
Jon is running from Aspinall and Pereira is just as bad if not worse match up for him. Jon has no place to hide
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Stipe is old and Jones is counting on that but that will backfire him catastrophically. Stipe is going to outbox Jones and Jones won't be able to take him down. I think Stipe knocks Jones down in first round and Jones barely survises. Then he enters second round exhausted and gets saved by the ref. Jones is old and fragile too. Prime Stipe vs Prime Jones is not even close. Stipe beats him 10 times out of 10.
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Thread 'Whittaker tears Khamzat a new one'

If this fight really is 5 rounder and Khamzat shows up i have no doubt in my mind that Whittaker beats his ass. Khamzat struggles with smaller guys and gas out in 5 minutes. I still expect Khamzat to pull out but if hes really going to fight Rob he will be exposed and KO’d.
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Volks only chance in this fight is wrestle and holding Yair against cage. Yair is not Max Holloway but one of the very best strikers in UFC. So is Volk but Yair is just levels above. Volks dehydraded body can’t deal with Yairs vicious body kicks and unreal combos. Even if Volk manages to take Yair down he will be in danger. Yair can smash your head with elbows from bottom or rip off any limb. We have new champion. Mark my words
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Left Hook Lacy said:
Has it? My money is on the skilled grappler to get a sweep, not to get a submission off the back. Are you sure you don't mean strikers with decent guards and triangles like Pettis as opposed to truly elite grapplers like RDR?
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Good luck with that. First, although RDR is a very good grappler---what have you seen from his guard game that's showed you he's capable of hitting sweeps from bottom against such an overall talented grappler like Khamzat with such a heavy top game? Granted it's not 100% apples to apples due to some size difference, but think prime BJ Penn vs Hughes and GSP. Once he got stuck underneath them, it was a wrap.
Khamzat isn't some Olympic wrestler yanked off the mats who's green to overall grappling and the principles of bjj. This dude grew up in MMA gyms, training holistic grappling and not just wrestling. Similar to Islam (did he seem scared of engaging Charles or Moicano on the ground?), he's not really vulnerable to elite bjj players. He avoided Burns on the mat due to his coach yelling at him to, but very unlikely we see a repeat of that. I very much doubt we'd see RDR trapped in crucifix's etc (he's just way more skilled off his back than DDP) but I also doubt he'd be able to mount much offense.
 
mkess101 said:
Good luck with that. First, although RDR is a very good grappler---what have you seen from his guard game that's showed you he's capable of hitting sweeps from bottom against such an overall talented grappler like Khamzat with such a heavy top game? Granted it's not 100% apples to apples due to some size difference, but think prime BJ Penn vs Hughes and GSP. Once he got stuck underneath them, it was a wrap.
Khamzat isn't some Olympic wrestler yanked off the mats who's green to overall grappling and the principles of bjj. This dude grew up in MMA gyms, training holistic grappling and not just wrestling. Similar to Islam (did he seem scared of engaging Charles or Moicano on the ground?), he's not really vulnerable to elite bjj players. He avoided Burns on the mat due to his coach yelling at him to, but very unlikely we see a repeat of that. I very much doubt we'd see RDR trapped in crucifix's etc (he's just way more skilled off his back than DDP) but I also doubt he'd be able to mount much offense.
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If RDR can survive, big if, the difference is that Khamzat will not be able to lay in a crucifix position (as you noted) over and over again. RDR will get to guard and will at a minimum make Khamzat work, and the longer Khamzat works the more he becomes susceptible to a submission. Also, RDR is a big dude, from guard it will be non-trivial for Khamzat to do damage given RDR's length. I favor Khamzat, don't get me wrong, but RDR presents problems and I'd like to see what Khamzat can do.
 
balkanbomber85 said:
I don’t know, man. History has shown that a great wrestler who’s also strong in grappling (submissions) will, more often than not—probably 9 out of 10 times—survive the submission game against a skilled grappler (submission specialist) with weak wrestling. On top of that, Khamzat can keep the fight standing most of the time, and I don’t think RDR is significantly better on the feet to the point where he could easily knock him out.

That said, RDR could definitely catch Khamzat. His best chance might be to tire him out and then take his back. This could be very possible if the fight gets to that stage, but the question is whether he can push it to that point. Give RDR the position that DDP had on Khamzat in the fifth round and an extra two minutes, and he might finish it—but how on earth would he even get him into that situation?

It’s MMA—that’s why we love this sport. Anything can happen. RDR could pull it off, and if he did, the psychological edge could even make a rematch easier for him. But if I had to put money on it, I’d still bet on Khamzat.
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There's already a reference point, Gilbert Burns
 
BlackStrap said:
This, I bet DDP ragdolls RDR. He just does not have the whole package. He beat Bo, who is honestly just not championship material, and he beat Whittaker, who had a great run and was champion, but was never a world beater and at this point is a gatekeeper at best.
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The win against Whittaker was one of the least impressive I can remember lol.
 
NoStoneUnturned said:
If RDR can survive, big if, the difference is that Khamzat will not be able to lay in a crucifix position (as you noted) over and over again. RDR will get to guard and will at a minimum make Khamzat work, and the longer Khamzat works the more he becomes susceptible to a submission. Also, RDR is a big dude, from guard it will be non-trivial for Khamzat to do damage given RDR's length. I favor Khamzat, don't get me wrong, but RDR presents problems and I'd like to see what Khamzat can do.
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Fair...like I said I agree it won't look like DDP/Khamzat. The problem is that RDR'S cardio has looked like dogshit. The amount of energy reduction be using defending off his back will have him gassed 8-10 minutes into the fight. He'll, he looked tired AF about that long into a standup fight that was mid paced vs Bobby. Takes a shit ton more energy playing guard against an elite top position guy.
 
mkess101 said:
Fair...like I said I agree it won't look like DDP/Khamzat. The problem is that RDR'S cardio has looked like dogshit. The amount of energy reduction be using defending off his back will have him gassed 8-10 minutes into the fight. He'll, he looked tired AF about that long into a standup fight that was mid paced vs Bobby. Takes a shit ton more energy playing guard against an elite top position guy.
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And in truth, I suspect Khamzat keeps it standing should he fight RDR. I think he has a distinct advantage on the feet so why risk the ground game.
 
NoStoneUnturned said:
And in truth, I suspect Khamzat keeps it standing should he fight RDR. I think he has a distinct advantage on the feet so why risk the ground game.
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Ehh...I'd think a mix. There's risk standing. RDR looks awkward (like DDP--different but I just mean unorthodox) but that makes him a but tricky. Tall guy who throws knees and funky strikes from weird angles. I think Khamzat taking him down and making sure to stay safe but make RDR carry his weight and tire is at least as likely as keeping it standing.
 
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